Mini 780 - Chosen - Game over

[Incognito]

Vote Count #2 of Day 2

AceMarksman (1) <-~ Albert B. Rampage

Not voting (6) <-~ Nuwen, AceMarksman, populartajo, springlullaby, ekiM, hp [leaves]

With 7 living, 4 will do it.

Tuesday, June 9th at 7 P.M. EDT.

[Nuwen]

Finals weekend/week and extra shifts, sorry all. I'll switch to using Mafia as my primary form of procrastination this weekend (rather than playing endless hours of Peggle and drawing frogaphants).

[hp [leaves]]

The extreme speed of my wagon also increases the chance that I'm the Chosen (or the first post I made. Revealing the entire scumteam.). I hope I'm not.

Do you think the looming deadline might have had something to do with it?

They were pushing for the lurker's lynch when there was a better option: Law the scummy flip-flopper. So I think it's likely.

I'm mad suspicious of anyone saying "Oh, I'm probably the Chosen, guys, so we best not lynch me". Hp-Law bus is not out of the question here.

There is also a link between [Law] and populartajo so I want tomorrow's lynch to be [Tajo].

Explain this.

Law flip-flopped many times on Tajo. I see that as a connection. It was most likely scum buddying up a townie, though.

Lynchlist analysis: Law's scummate was bussing him.

Please give some reasoning when you state conclusions like this. Just asserting things doesn't help us much.

1) Scum wants me to get lynched.
2) Everyone wanted me lynched also wanted Law lynched.
3) Bus.

[Incognito]

Bumping past thread locks (not to be confused with dreadlocks).

[hp [leaves]]

Anyone cares to post?

[hp [leaves]]

Unvote, Vote ekiM

obvscum

[Incognito]

Prods going out to all except Nuwen and hp [leaves].

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hi. Busy days ahead.

[AceMarksman]

sorry about needing prodding all, I was hiking in the mountains over the weekend and forgot to announce it.

[hp [leaves]]

ABR can you tell us what you think about Tajo?

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR can you tell us what you think about Tajo?

I think that in this game like in his life, tajo could go both ways.

[ekiM]

I was calling it as I saw it. ABR is an erratic player, and I made the comment that what he said looked like scum proactively protecting his partner. I wasn't trying to set up two lynches.

You're really just asserting your innocence here.

Besides, your scenario is stupid because that would make me a target the day after and there are only two scum.

Scum never do things that draw suspicion to them? Depends what the pay-off is, I think.

Ace, any explanation for what was going on with 310--313?

They were pushing for the lurker's lynch when there was a better option: Law the scummy flip-flopper. So I think it's likely.

That's easy to say in retrospect. At least three townies were voting for you, for quite legitimate reasons. You've just admitted you were lurking. Why were you lurking?

There is also a link between [Law] and populartajo so I want tomorrow's lynch to be [Tajo].

Explain this.

Law flip-flopped many times on Tajo. I see that as a connection. It was most likely scum buddying up a townie, though.

Huh? If you think Law was buddying up to Tajo-town, why do you want today's lynch to be Tajo? This makes no sense.

1) Scum wants me to get lynched.

2) Everyone wanted me lynched also wanted Law lynched.

3) Bus.

I don't follow this.

Unvote, Vote ekiM

obvscum

Because?

Is this your usual MO? Wouldn't it be better to give some reasons behind your posts when you make them, rather than waiting for someone to ask?

[populartajo]

Im here catching up all I missed in the weekend.

[AceMarksman]

310 was the only important one. Law claimed that he was the chosen when it wasn't possible for him to know that. 311-313 are me making clarifications of votes and such.

[hp [leaves]]

My vote has done its duty.

Unvote

[AceMarksman]

My vote has done its duty.

Unvote

care to explain this?

[hp [leaves]]

Thread needed activity. I random voted.

[springlullaby]

Vote Ace

I collected the Law/Ace interraction in a pbpa but can't put my hand on the file right now.

Anyway

->See Lawrencelot flipflop vote on Ace. My stand on this is that Law is too experienced to be so bad as to do that kind of flip flop as scum without a real motive. I think that what happened there was that he figured it wouldn't matter as he was voting his buddy, and thought that it would help his camp anyway if one of them flipped.
->It is also true that each time he voted/unvoted Ace was following a moment in which Ace was garnering attention/pressure was easing on Ace. This would be consistent with someone wanting to secure a good non-bus looking vote on a buddy, but not really wanting to push the case on them.
->See also the case Lawrencelot wrote on Ace, and compare it to his certainty of tone while voting Tajo later in the day.
->On Ace's side, see both time he drew a link between ABR and Law in an incongruous manner and without justification in the middle of the day whereas there was only 3 votes on Law. I think what happened there was that Ace got a bit panicky about Law getting lynched, and tried to set up a mislynch.

->There are also multiple individual scumtell on Ace's part, I still think what I wrote about him yesterday is true. Plus, the total lack of initiative today. Though it's true Tajo and Nuwen have been crappy at this as well.

Anyway my scumscale in order would be

SCUM
^
I AceMarksman: see above
I
I Nuwen: really crappy contribution
I
I hp leaves: I'm thinking stupid town, though
I
I populartajo: I'm thinking ego town, but possibly intelligent enough to fake it
I
I Albert B. Rampage: chance of being fake low, but who knows
I ekiM: good contrib so far, a little under the radar maybe
v
TOWN

[AceMarksman]

Spring, that's one hell of a bullshit case you've got there, lemme tell ya.

See Lawrencelot flipflop vote on Ace. My stand on this is that Law is too experienced to be so bad as to do that kind of flip flop as scum without a real motive. I think that what happened there was that he figured it wouldn't matter as he was voting his buddy, and thought that it would help his camp anyway if one of them flipped.

I'm sorry, but wasn't law's flip-flopping one of the reasons I voted him in the first place? This entire point is WIFOM and boils down to "Law is too experienced to flip flop like that except for on his scumbuddy." No, this is not a strawman of your argument, it is an accurate summary. Furthermore, this is a load of bull because if law is as experianced as you claim (which I failed to see from his play yesterday), then he would know not to flip-flop like that as scum. Why do you think that he would only flip-flop on a scum buddy?

It is also true that each time he voted/unvoted Ace was following a moment in which Ace was garnering attention/pressure was easing on Ace. This would be consistent with someone wanting to secure a good non-bus looking vote on a buddy, but not really wanting to push the case on them.

This was another point I was pushing against law. This point is both bullshit and unfair. It is bullshit in connection with your first point as you claim law to have some experience in the game of mafia. If this is true, then he wouldn't try and so obviously bus his parter especially when I called him out on it. Law was scum trying for an easy lynch. It's unfair because it's an argument against me that I can't truly defend against because it hinges on someone else's actions. You have just decided to contort the circumstances to paint me in the worst possible light. That is not a pro-town course of action.

See also the case Lawrencelot wrote on Ace, and compare it to his certainty of tone while voting Tajo later in the day.

again, contorting law's actions to paint me as scum.

On Ace's side, see both time he drew a link between ABR and Law in an incongruous manner and without justification in the middle of the day whereas there was only 3 votes on Law. I think what happened there was that Ace got a bit panicky about Law getting lynched, and tried to set up a mislynch.

This is the ONE SINGLE POINT against me that I ACTUALLY SAID. That said, it is horribly misconstrued. It did look like ABR was chainsaw defending/proactively protecting law, and you're calling me scummy for pointing this out?

There are also multiple individual scumtell on Ace's part, I still think what I wrote about him yesterday is true.

No, bad spring. No blanketing suspicions. I want specific quotes with detailed analysis.

Plus, the total lack of initiative today

Oh wow this is what, your first post today? Who lacks initiative? Plus, I was hiking over the weekend.

So, in a nutshell, your case against me boils down to law's attempted quick/easy lynch of a townie (me) implementing me as his scumpartner. I do believe that is a load of crap, tyvm.

FoS:spring

for the moment, I'll have to go back and look for connections between spring and law before I place my vote there.

[springlullaby]

Yeah, pretty sure I'm arguing with scum. If anyone beside Ace want me to answer, please ask, and I'll do.

Mod: a round of prod again please

[Incognito]

Nuwen has been prodded.

[AceMarksman]

Yeah, pretty sure I'm arguing with scum. If anyone beside Ace want me to answer, please ask, and I'll do.

I don't think that you should need anyone else to tell you to respond, thank you.

[populartajo]

Spring and ABR, Ace is probtown. Look at these quotes and tell me what do you think:

but for example Ace and ABR just joined my wagon without good reasoning.

I was the first one on your wagon

This doesnt look like bussing at all.

Don't lynch me, I have the most powerful protown role of the game

Ha! Scumslip. There are no power roles besides the chosen one and the chosen one does not know that they are the Chosen one, as cleared up by incog in the first posts of the game:

To clarify since I've gotten this question a bit: The Chosen One will

not

know that he or she is the Chosen One. His or her role will be revealed upon death though.

Therefore you would not know if you were or were not the chosen one. A townie would have no reason to claim this, however the mafia would have every reason to claim this hoping the rest of the town would forget about incog's clarification above. Sorry law, you made it too easy.

This is a terrible bus if Ace were scum. If he were scum he wouldnt push a weak case against his scumpartner.

Here's what I think happened here. First, I think law and ABR are scum together. Second, to avoid them getting lynched, ABR put together a "do not lynch" list including the two scum and two townies. Third, there isn't a third.
Thoughts on this?

This is what ABR has called as setting up mislynches. I disagree. This is some decent speculation since it passed through my mind at some point. Again, the possibilities of bussing this hard when there are only two scum are lower.

I've got some computer access today (yey!) and reading through, I found this little scummy nugget:

Unvote, might switch back to Ace later.

Note, this is (another) point where my wagon is cooling off but law still gives excuse to jump right back on it when it picks up again.

More hard attacking.

I'm starting to think law is scummier than ABluRker at the moment. I would make a case, but I'm stressed out because of AP exams. Expect one soon. However:

Unvote, Vote: law

And more.

@ law leaning scum: he jumped on my bandwagon here based on gut right at the moment my wagon is picking up steam. He then unvotes me (when my wagon is cooling off), promising a case (which has not come yet), and the re-votes me once my bandwagon picks up steam again. He hasn't made much of a case against me. He's being really opportunistic.

And more.

This is Law

Since these are my highest suspects at the moment, I'll Vote: AceMarksman. Mostly gut, but I don't have much more this early in D1.

What kind of scum votes his scumpartner that early?

I'm still not that sure about q21. I'll wait for his replacement to catch up and then reconsider. But for now, Vote: AceMarksman.

What kind of scum revotes his scumpartner that early?

Post 130 is a big post against Ace. Again, this is some serious attacks against Ace, kinda an easy target at the middle of day 1.

Good lynches:
hp

Not bad lynches:
Ace, ABR (if you don't take chosen stuff into account)

Worse lynches:
populartajo, no lynch?

Bad lynches:
rest

I would bet money that the remaining scum is in the rest group.

[populartajo]

*

Lawrencelot

(5): spring, Nuwen,

Claus

, Tajo, ekiM
* hp [leaves] (5): spring, Nuwen,

Lawrencelot

,

Claus

, ekiM

Lynchlist analysis: Law's scummate was bussing him. I'll read these three for how hard they pushed for the lynches.

This.

Im 90% sure scum is in this group : "Nuwen, spring or Mike"

[populartajo]

Nuwen has been prodded.

Any news?