Lynch All Lurkers Mafia! GAME OVER

[ortolan]

oh, plus, image again directing us to a specific post of DGB's (701) where she gives us a scum-list is very scummy (oh look she was town, let's lynch down her scum-list). I personally think the only person on that list with a good probability of being scum is Empking (nice going DGB )

Remember Mastin tried to do exactly the same by linking to Troll's earlier post.

[Ether]

2 Empking (ortolan, Xylthixlm)
1 MafiaSSK (Empking)
1 populartajo (elvis_knits)
1 Xylthixlm (populartajo)

4 Unvote (image, Kinetic, MafiaSSK, Stephoscope)

9 alive; 5 to lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

What exactly are we waiting for?

[Xylthixlm]

4. Xylthixlm - now
5. image - Wed May 20, 2009 14:58:08
8. MafiaSSK - Wed May 20, 2009 15:13:33
9. Empking - Wed May 20, 2009 08:32:20
12. elvis_knits - Wed May 20, 2009 08:24:34
13. Kinetic - Wed May 20, 2009 23:36:06
14. Stephoscope - Wed May 20, 2009 10:45:38
15. populartajo - Wed May 20, 2009 21:58:19
17. ortolan - Thu May 21, 2009 00:03:32

[elvis_knits]

What exactly are we waiting for?

I don't know.

It's sort of annoying how all the people I think are scummy are lurkers or active lurkers.

tajo is active lurking.

image came up with a big post that says nothing about hwo he thinks is scum.

kinetic has yet another excuse.

[Xylthixlm]

I find it more annoying that none of the masons are voting.

[MafiaSSK]

I find it more annoying that none of the masons are voting.

Why so?

[Xylthixlm]

I find it more annoying that none of the masons are voting.

Why so?

Who do you think is scum?

[MafiaSSK]

I find it more annoying that none of the masons are voting.

Why so?

Who do you think is scum?

Probably image or you. Discussing in QT.

[Xylthixlm]

I find it more annoying that none of the masons are voting.

Why so?

Who do you think is scum?

Probably image or you. Discussing in QT.

Do you think it's both image and me?

If not, who are likely scumbuddies of each of us?

[populartajo]

Im so not in the mood for playing mafia today after catching up in two games that were 10 pages long.

Youll hear from me tomorrow

[ortolan]

I want to hear from Empking, image and tajo how sure they are of each other's towniness on a scale of 0-100% and why.

How sure are we of Steph's towniness btw? I have no intention of casting aspersions on it but everyone seemed to be implying he was obv-town throughout the game. Are we still prepared to go with this? Personally I'm almost 100% sure MafiaSSK is town- that suspicions list (which I can't find in my brief search) seemed legitimate to me. I've still no idea about Kinetic beyond being a mason.

But basically my thought process is elvis, Xyl (and myself) are town.

If there were five (or even six, which would place us in LYOL right now- I'm hopeful it wasn't) scum, then that only leaves the three masons and image, tajo and Empking.

Neither Empking nor tajo (particularly Empking) have given us any strong indications of their towniness throughout the game and have both pursued scummy roleclaims (not protecting a claimed tracker is objectively very scummy; so is tajo conveniently claiming day one while not under pressure and then getting roleblocked, not night-killed every day- two of the dead mafia are not the roleblocker either). Again, back to our earlier discussion where DGB (quite nonsensically) suggested myself (and rofl) were trying to frame tajo- that still is perfectly plausible; I can't deny that theory. But tajo needs to explain why he would roleclaim an important power role under no pressure, and then explain the somewhat improbable occurrences of being role-blocked rather than night-killed every night, where two of the flipped mafia were neither roleblockers nor power-roles at all. He also needs to explain whether it's plausible a roleblocker would be in the setup with only two (one? if Empking is lying scum and tajo is town; which doesn't make sense because Empking would want to claim vanilla in order to get tajo suspected more/lynched). This is indeed why I wanted tajo lynched earlier- because he is simply a liability. If he is telling the truth the roleblocker will continue to roleblock him until the roleblocker himself gets lynched; at which point the mafia can just night-kill tajo- essentially his role is useless and unconfirmable, as I said earlier, and despite what he claimed when he claimed day one.

So according to my earlier deductions, it is very unlikely Empking can be scum while tajo is town (because he had no motivation to fakeclaim doctor unless he is scum with tajo)- they are either both scum, tajo is scum and Emp town or both are town. On this basis I'd be more likely to want to lynch tajo over Empking, but I'm just not sure how much I can trust Empking to take the optimal play even if he is scum. Thoughts?

[Empking]

I want to hear from Empking, image and tajo how sure they are of each other's towniness on a scale of 0-100% and why.

Pop: 90
Image: 40

Ort: If you think i can't be scum if Pop is town. Why are you voting me?

[ortolan]

and why.

I didn't say that- I said assuming optimal play by you you can't be scum while he is town. That is a bit of a step.

[ortolan]

and if the above wasn't clear you didn't provide the asked for reasons

[Empking]

and why.

I didn't say that- I said assuming optimal play by you you can't be scum while he is town. That is a bit of a step.

You think there was only three scum or that nobody would mention that we shouldn't claim a PR if I'm so stoopid?

[ortolan]

Wait, who would mention you shouldn't claim a PR? tajo?

[Empking]

Wait, who would mention you shouldn't claim a PR? tajo?

Whoever I had as a scum buddy.

[ortolan]

I don't quite follow; do you mean tajo and image??

[Empking]

I don't quite follow; do you mean tajo and image??

You're saying I'm scum so whoever you think is my scum buddy.

[Stephoscope]

Dropping in to say hello and get myself off of the lurk list. I'll post more when I'm caught up.

[Xylthixlm]

and why.

I didn't say that- I said assuming optimal play by you you can't be scum while he is town. That is a bit of a step.

You think there was only three scum or that nobody would mention that we shouldn't claim a PR if I'm so stoopid?

WIFOM

[Empking]

and why.

I didn't say that- I said assuming optimal play by you you can't be scum while he is town. That is a bit of a step.

You think there was only three scum or that nobody would mention that we shouldn't claim a PR if I'm so stoopid?

WIFOM

How is it?

[Xylthixlm]

"That's stupid, I wouldn't do that as scum. But you know that, so maybe I should do that, to fool you. But you know I know, so I shouldn't do it after all, it's stupid. But if you assume that I won't because of that then maybe I should..."

WIFOM.

[ortolan]

Empking who do you think the scummy scummies are?