X wrote:ekiM wrote:Anyone keeping their vote on Mufasa: please explain why you think he would be a good lynch for today. How informative would his lynch be? How likely do you think it is that we have a vig? Do you think Mufasa would make a better vig kill than a lynch?
I don't see the functional difference between a vig kill and a lynch. In terms of information, this argument right now is generating information. How informative a Day is depends on how often people post, how often they include original insights, and how long it takes, not who dies.
I think taking someone all the way up to a lynch generates a lot of information because if a lynch is actually a realistic prospect then people have to take firmer stances. When someone is at 3 votes, someone putting the fourth vote on doesn't make much difference, and you can't read all that much into their action. Someone willing to put someone to L-1 or to hammer is taking a stronger stance and giving more useful information about what they're willing to do. Similarly if people start hopping off or on when a wagon heats up, that's informative.
If someone is vigged, it's the decision of one guy. There's no bandwagon-to-lynch, so it's harder to tell just how firm people's positions on someone were.
With someone like Mufasa who makes a dumb and anti-town move but has a meta of doing so, it's genuinely hard to tell whether he's town or scum. Taking a stance one way or the other is really mostly gut, and can be explained easily either way. Nobody is going to stand up and defend him, so there's nothing much to be learned either way from whether people say that they think we may as well lynch him today, or that we have bigger fish to fry.
Seraphim wrote:alvinz95 wrote:Epic fail at scumhunting.
Before you insult people, perhaps you could try scumhunting yourself? Seeing as, you know, your few posts only outline people as stupid, not scum. Now that you've outed the stupid people, maybe you can out the scum too?
Now that you've chastised someone to demonstrate your pro-town bona fides, maybe you could address what's at the top of post 230?
charter wrote:ekiM wrote:Anyone keeping their vote on Mufasa: please explain why you think he would be a good lynch for today. How informative would his lynch be? How likely do you think it is that we have a vig? Do you think Mufasa would make a better vig kill than a lynch?
Mufasa is the town's best candidate for a lynch today. He claimed when not under pressure. He can't keep his claim straight. He's clearly not a JOAT. When someone lies about their role, they are scum. If they are town and lying about it, they are helping the scum by risking a counterclaim by a real townie. His lynch would give mediocre information, but we're not lynching him for information. We're lynching him to win. No idea how likely it is we have a vig. I'm not interested in letting him live tonight and hoping we have a vig and hoping the vig kills him.
If someone lies about their role like Mufasa did, they're either stupid town or scum, agreed. I don't think counter claims are relevant here. If we're not lynching him for information, we can lynch him any day. I'd rather try for an informative lynch today and see if he gets killed tonight. I also think OGB's play is actually far less explicable as town coming from someone who is (presumably) somewhat experienced, than Mufasa's coming from someone who is a known VI. So I think OGB is scummier too.
mixologist wrote:[Charter, ]please stop fence sitting and pick a side.
I think he did, dude.
ThAdmiral wrote:This is a bit of a loaded question. I think it is fairly obvious that ogb has not been pro-town, however I don't think he's necessarily been anymore anti-town than, say, a lurker.
Basically I think there was an overreaction initially to his first couple of posts, although I do admit that his continued unhelpfullness does not make him look good
OK. I think active lurking is probably worse than lurking though, especially when done after being specifically called out for not contributing.
ThAd wrote:charter wrote:ThAd wrote:Whoever said he is trying to distract the town from scum hunting is ridiculous as its rather easy to attempt a guess at who he's and alt of/ignore him altogether and hunt scum at the same time.
I said this. I don't think it's ridiculous at all when all OGB is interested in doing is getting people to guess who he is. Playing guess the alt detracts from scumhunting, and I'd much rather quash OGB's mess before someone takes his bait.
You aren't the only one who has said it, so don't think I am trying to focus on you. But since you responded:
1. that's not "all ogb is intested in". Let's put it in to a bit of perspective: he asked a question that admittedly wasn't all that relevant to the game, but did so in the
random voting phase
, a period of the game that is debatable in regards to how helpful it is in determining scum from town.
He is still yet to show interest in scumhunting.
ThAd wrote:2. how does it detract from scum hunting when you easily still scum hunt and just ignore his question?
Sadly, not everyone is as level headed and focussed as might be desired.
ThAd wrote:3. furthermore who are these other people that you are trying to protect from "taking his bait". Do you think anyone in this game actually has taken his bait and has been so caught up in guessing who he is that they have been
completely unable
to scum hunt and therefore have put the town in a far worse position? Has anything even slightly resembling this happened?
It's a bit hard to say what would've happened in the counter-factual where his question wasn't immediately called out by several people as being a distraction and not worth addressing. Posts 32, 33, 34, 36, 39, 43, 169, 171 were discussing who OGB is. I think if unchallenged it could've been worse.
ThAd wrote:as I said before I think mufasa is lying and calls for him to be vigged are a bit silly given that we don't know whether there is a vig or not and furthermore he may very well be scum.
I don't think he's a particularly informative lynch today, because he's such an easy target. There's a reasonable chance there's a vig in a game this size. What's the problem with him being vigged if he is scum?
Korts wrote:The claim is confirmable, a likely NK target, and has been executed by a newbie with precedent of, um, let's call it unorthodox play as town; Seraphim's vote, in this context, is opportunistic and scummy.
How is the claim of 1-shot doc, JK, RB confirmable? Is he really that tempting a NK target for scum? His abilities aren't exactly threatening to them and he's destroyed any credibility he had to act as a scumhunter.
Korts wrote:PEOPLE CALLING FOR A MUFASA LYNCH/VIG ARE SCUMMY. I'll compile a list of these people later.
Could you explain why?
