Open 147: Vengeful 5P - Game Over before 792

[charter]

/confirm

Serious about that empking lynch guys.

[charter]

Vote Empking

One of Paradoxombie or Khamisa is his buddy I bet.

[charter]

Err... do we really want to put someone on L-1 so early in the game?

unvote: empking
FoS: charter

If Empking was a townie, and someone hammered him this early, guarenteed scum.

[charter]

It wouldn't matter which scum hammered. Game doesn't end until the GF is lynched or both scum are dead.

You seem to be defending Empking quite a bit. Noted.

[charter]

Unvote, Vote Paradoxombie

Let's see something.

[charter]

unvote

Relatively sure ODDin isn't mafia. Reacted pretty much the same way when both Empking and Paradoxombie were at L-1, which makes me think that he isn't scum with either of them.

That's basically what I wanted to see when I put Paradoxombie at L-1, was whether your reaction and stance on that wagon was the same as the one on Empking.

[charter]

No. This is what I was trying to do. Pick any player (in this case, Empking) and wagon them to L-1. See reactions (in this case it was ODDin who made a reaction, the unvote). Then, pick another person, and put them at L-1, and gauge that same player's (ODDin) reaction to that other wagon. If the reaction is different, then that's a HUGE red flag.

The players chosen were arbitrary since it's the beginning of the game. Is it a foolproof way of catching scum? No, but if it works, it's a HUGE tell if the reactions are different.

[charter]

Well, I kind of equate lack of scumtell to towntell. That's probably some logical falacy though.

[charter]

Well, I kind of equate lack of scumtell to towntell. That's probably some logical falacy though.

So you think going

Confirm

Is a town tell?

No, you're not going to start pulling your nonsense in this game. I never said anything like this, I'm not even talking about you.

[charter]

Well, I kind of equate lack of scumtell to towntell. That's probably some logical falacy though.

So you think going

Confirm

Is a town tell?

No, you're not going to start pulling your nonsense in this game. I never said anything like this, I'm not even talking about you.

So you think people shouldn't respond, react or note things that aren't directed at them?

Nooooooooooo. This is not what I said at all. I have no clue at all, where you get that "Confirm" means that I think that's a towntell. Nowhere did I say or imply anything like this. You're now asking a leading question, where if I say yes, then you'll say "OMG SCUM". If I say no, then you'll twist what I've said to make a contradiction.

What is the nature of your relationship? Charter you obviously have something against Empking but you should explain your unwillingness to speak to him.

I personally have nothing against him, but you can look at a LOT of his games and find players that get worked up about him because Empking has a, shall we say, different playstyle. I don't pretend to understand it, but I'm going to call him on what I think is flawed/bad logic or questions.

vote Empking

[charter]

So you're calling me scummy because I've noted a contradiction from you and you refuse to confront it?

I'm calling you scummy because you invented your contradiction.

Am I right in thinking that you deny posting this?

I posted that. You're trying to twist it.

[charter]

So you're calling me scummy

because I've noted a contradiction

from you and you refuse to confront it?

I'm calling you scummy because you invented your contradiction.

What contradiction?

The one you invented, I bolded it so you can review it.

[charter]

I know I've played in at least one game with you, and you infuriated players with your craplogic and nonsense.

[charter]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 73#1476373
Here is one, CKD shares his feelings post game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9432
Another game I've played in with Empking

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8937
Oh wow, ANOTHER game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8707
Flaked out of this one...

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9557
Another game I've played in with you.

There's probably more too, but I just stopped looking.
So, basically, your claim of never remembering to play in a game with me is complete and total bullshit for the sole reason of undermining me with crap attacks because you are scum and you need to try something.

My vote isn't going to move unless I'm able to find your partner and determine which of you two is the GF.

[charter]

Lynch Empking now?

[charter]

Lynch Empking now?

Whgy am I scum?

I already said.

So, basically, your claim of never remembering to play in a game with me is complete and total bullshit for the sole reason of undermining me with crap attacks because you are scum and you need to try something.

However, are you really that sure that he is scum?

I'm pretty sure. What scumhunting has he done this game? What has he done this game at all that has any value to the town? Nothing at all.

I don't see nearly enough evidence that Empking is scum. If empking is town and you are indeed town, you must realise that empking will most likely kill you for his revenge - effectively losing us the game.

So, what I see is you attempting to lynch a player very early in a game, while understanding that if it's a mistake it spells the loss of the game.

This is some really poor logic. I understand that if Empking is lynched and he is town, then he can vig town. You completely discount the possibility of Empking being scum, why is this?


@All, look at Empking's contributions since I showed some games we were in. He's not doing a damn thing, despite posting plenty. Why is this do you think?

[charter]

It looks to me as if charter is distancing from empking.

You're more than welcome to think this. Obviously I am not the GF, so go ahead and vote for Empking.

[charter]

That is total crap.

[charter]

I think Khamisa is the GF and Empking is the goon. Not sure enough to act on it yet though.

[charter]

Khamisa, who are your top two suspects and why?

[charter]

Empking, you may be alot more active than Khamisa, but you've been pretty silent about your own opinions. You OMGUS voted charter but besides that, have done little but defend yourself.

unvote, vote:Empking

You think I should defend myself against a random vote? And that I'm scum for not doing so?

You have done zero scumhunting this game. Empking lynch please.

[charter]

Prod Khamisa please

Lynch Empking or Khamisa, both are scum.

[charter]

I already said, I did it to quash your crappy arguments before people started listening to them.

[charter]

Khamisa, who do you suspect and why?

Frankly, this deadline is absolutely ridiculous. I'm switching my vote to Khamisa if Empking isn't lynched in the next 24 hours. I don't see how any one of you can think Khamisa is town. She has said absolutely nothing, and if she lurks just a little bit longer, then she will win.

I don't know if the other two townies realize this, but we need all three of us to vote for scum. I can't comprehend how anyone would be adverse to lynching Khamisa, please explain why you won't vote her if you wont. Asking this of everyone.

[charter]

ODDin, that was a huge post of logical falacies.

Who is adverse to a Khamisa lynch at deadline and why?

Two people posted and didn't answer this, disappointing.

[charter]

Bussing your partner is idiotic if you need to hold out four more days without a lynch and you win. That's the idiotic part though (the mafia wins at deadline), if I was scum, I'd just "disappear" for a few days since I'm actually moving this week/weekend and really have very little time.

Add to this the fact that the goon cannot bus the GF, and yeah, bussing in vengeful is a really really stupid idea.

However, I have to work tonight, so I should have more time tonight only.

[charter]

unvote, vote Khamisa

The 24 hours has passed, and I don't see an Empking lynch as realistically going to happen, gotta go with my second choice.

[charter]

Kill Empking

if it is.

[charter]

I'd say his partner is Para, with a possibility of Khamisa. Good luck town!

[charter]

What do you mean, "darn"? You were voting me. Why the hell would you be voting me if you'd regret my getting lynched?

[charter]

So why did you lynch me then? That is a serious question.

[charter]

Rules clearly say we can talk during twilight. Para moves right up to Empking's buddy based on that.

[charter]

If the mod hasn't declared me dead yet, then I'm not dead yet. Clearing Empking is scum or else one of you would be gloating. Like I said, I think his buddy is Para.

[charter]

I got three votes. I opted to kill Empking. PARA IS HIS PARTNER!

[charter]

I can 100% absolutely promise Para is Empking's partner. Believe it or not, it's the truth! Goodbye cruel world!

[charter]

This isn't a game of luck. I killed Empking because he is scum (obvious if you read the damn thread) not because my tea leaves told me to. It's also obvious Para is Empking's partner, and I hope Khamisa and ODDin can see this as well.

[charter]

Fucking horrible modding job. Inventing all these new rules midgame. Posting more often than players. Prodding after every 24 hours. Fucking ridiculous. Never going within a 100 foot radius of any game Zwet touches.

Town, poor job. Scum did marginally better. Para, I have no clue what on earth you were doing after Empking got lynching, but you did a wonderful job looking like you were Empking's partner. Should have just stopped playing entirely after this

I think Khamisa is the GF and Empking is the goon. Not sure enough to act on it yet though.

but instead I had to keep thinking cause I was told I wasn't dead and I convinced myself out of the OBVIOUS scumteam.

Still cannot fathom how Empking wasn't lynched day one.

ODDin, really have no clue what you were thinking during this game. Pretty much same to Para.

Good work scum. You fooled enough of the town, and I guess that's what counts.

[charter]

No quote pyramids. The deadlines you instilled. The mafia wins the game at deadline. All of these are bogus and should have been announced before starting because I sure wouldn't have joined a game where "mafia wins at deadline".

Your constant "more activity" and all your useless filler posts. Believe me, my facts are straight.

[charter]

charter:
D1 I was less inclined to suspect empking because of his meta. You have said yourself that he normally plays this way - making it all a scumtell. I still think you did a poor job D1. Your "test" of me was so obvious and shallow that I was practically sure it was buddying. You constantly shouted "lynch empking lynch empking". And eventually, you said my arguments were "full of logical fallacies" without actually saying what these logical fallacies were.
Then D2 I'm pretty sure Iw as clear on why I suspected para. If you're saying yourself he looked like empking's partner, then it should be obvious why I suspected him.

Empkings meta had little to do with it. His points towards me that were directed solely to incriminate me was what made me so sure he was scum. He already had the course of action he wanted to take set, and then was forming the questions to achieve this. He clearly wasn't interested in figuring out my alignment, just lynching me.
I thought my test was clever, and I'm pretty sure it can fool people, but I guess it backfired on me.

I don't blame you for suspecting Para at all, I would have lynched him too.

[charter]

Wow charter. Wasn't it obvious enough that the posts were jokes? Do you have no sense of humor whatsoever? Sheesh.

ITS NOT THE MODS JOB TO MAKE JOKES. AND NO, THEY WEREN'T FUNNY, THEY WERE ANNOYING AS CRAP. Do you see other mods 'joking' about deadlines? Do you see other mods 'joking' about a faction winning? No. It's because the mod's job is to set up and FUCKING MODERATE the game. NOT participate in it.

[charter]

There were five players. Two you gave an extreme advantage to with all your confusing bullshit. They have no need to complain. Two of the three that got shafted with your incompetence are complaining. Para didn't comment one way or the other.

So really, it was a piss poor job.

[charter]

I think charter will blame anyone but himself for the loss.

Who did I place blame on? It was as much my fault as everyone elses. I'm merely pissed at the incompetent modding.