Kublai Khan wrote:Oi. Just because you replaced Archon, it doesn't mean you have to post like Archon.
alexhans wrote:Welcome Skruffs! I hope you are VERY ACTIVE and contribute more and better than Archon.
Read and comment ASAP.
Well, no not really. I suppose your point is that since paranoid doctor is told he's paranoid, a naive (if one was) would be told? Interesting. Not to outguess the mod, but I can see telling paranoid he's paranoid. Informing a naive he's naive doesn't make sense.alexhans wrote: LK: If I thought you were claiming naive doctor I'd definetly go for your lynch RIGHT NOW. Because you've been in the chopper yesterday and only saved yourself because of your doc claim. After, you voted KK, not cater, so...
Does your PM mention sanities?
yeah. That's what I think. And me seeing you as useful is what kept me from lynching you on day 1.LK wrote:By your logic though, I was roleblocked and am not naive.
LK... you can't just excuse a mistake by saying that scum would be more careful. Scum makes mistakes too. And if its a town mistake it's really bad because it was a false accusation.LK wrote:Also: Hm... I see your point on the ctrl+F "cateraction " thing, but I guess from my perspective a mafia player, having just lost their godfather, would do everything to not make a mistake like that. A ridiculous accusation (as it has been proven to be) would be a huge mistake that scum would avoid to avoid suspicion, right? I think that the quieter players would be more likely to be mafia.
KK hasn't been quiet IMO...LK wrote:Hm... who's been quiet today?
Kubali Kahn
LK wrote:As a side note: Hohum was skittish, but I don't find it too scummy.
The dead laughs at the hanged... lol. ;DSkittish definition wrote: 1) Moving quickly and lightly; lively.
2) Restlessly active or nervous; restive.
3) Undependably variable; mercurial or fickle.
4) Shy; bashful.
Meta him a bit... he was replaced in other games as well.LK wrote:Lester groans/skruff (abandoned because of GF lynch?)
How's that? What would scum do?LK wrote:I dunno. Maybe Brian is scum, and the thought isn't that far, but it just seems like the EXACT opposite of what a scum would do.
Dude. You REPLACED INTO our game. You've read it. You voted qwints. I can understand you being busy irl but you haven't given us any content. You don't need to post walls of text. Just say in short sentences what you think of the game so far.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Last week of school, very busy with finals and semester projects...won't be able to make full length posts until I'm done with school and especially Linear Algebra which I suck balls at.
I am sorry that you can not accept something I have said. It hasn't been the first time, and I'm sure it won't be the last.RedCoyote wrote:Like you said, maybe we're at an impasse. You say you decided your vote purely based on KK's early play, right? I can't accept that. I can't accept that you, as townie, were that uninterested in understanding why cater was the alternative lynch. It's not like you were alone, Light-kun was in your same position. Light-kun asked why cater was chosen, and I tried to give him quick summary of why. I have to think you ignored that, not because you made a "dumb mistake" or whatever reason you gave us, but because you had a reason to not look over cater's activity.
I am aware being wrong throws suspicion on me, I know how Mafia works. I'm not disagreeing that my actions yesterday make me look bad today. But cateractionalexhans wrote:Brian 614: As I've said. Brian suspecting KK along the game and after voting for me is consistent. It would've been suspicious if he voted Cater and cater flipped town. Anyway, in this case, being wrong throws suspicion on you because you NEVER interacted with cater and that could be you avoiding links with your partner.
Is that a threat? Be useful or I'll kill you? (This is mostly in jest.)alexhans wrote:yeah. That's what I think. And me seeing you as useful is what kept me from lynching you on day 1.LK wrote:By your logic though, I was roleblocked and am not naive.
Hm... I suppose a dead townie (worst case) isn't too bad. However, I think it is better to consider other possibilities and rule them out first.alexhans wrote:LK... you can't just excuse a mistake by saying that scum would be more careful. Scum makes mistakes too. And if its a town mistake it's really bad because it was a false accusation.LK wrote:Also: Hm... I see your point on the ctrl+F "cateraction " thing, but I guess from my perspective a mafia player, having just lost their godfather, would do everything to not make a mistake like that. A ridiculous accusation (as it has been proven to be) would be a huge mistake that scum would avoid to avoid suspicion, right? I think that the quieter players would be more likely to be mafia.
I think he's had 4 posts today, but I made that list from memory, so could be wrong.alexhans wrote:KK hasn't been quiet IMO...LK wrote:Hm... who's been quiet today?
Kubali Kahn
I think scum would be quiet. Didn't I say this?alexhans wrote:Meta him a bit... he was replaced in other games as well.LK wrote:Lester groans/skruff (abandoned because of GF lynch?)How's that? What would scum do?LK wrote:I dunno. Maybe Brian is scum, and the thought isn't that far, but it just seems like the EXACT opposite of what a scum would do.
If I didn't replace you would still have been in a night phase. I skimmed the thread and I found qwints suspicious without knowing the reason why yet. I'll post content on the newer posts but I don't have lotsa time to do the full re-read of doom.alexhans wrote:Dude. You REPLACED INTO our game. You've read it. You voted qwints. I can understand you being busy irl but you haven't given us any content. You don't need to post walls of text. Just say in short sentences what you think of the game so far.
Anyway... Good luck with the finals.
Not this again. This is what got you in trouble on Day 1. Compile evidence/accusations properly, then present it. None of this "I think... wait, I take it back" stuff. It's scummy.Light-kun wrote:I think he's had 4 posts today, but I made that list from memory, so could be wrong.alexhans wrote:KK hasn't been quiet IMO...LK wrote:Hm... who's been quiet today?
Kubali Kahn
You replaced in a week ago and you still haven't done more than skimmed? If you knew you had exams coming up, why'd you sign up for a new game that you'd have to read several pages worth?Albert B. Rampage wrote:If I didn't replace you would still have been in a night phase. I skimmed the thread and I found qwints suspicious without knowing the reason why yet. I'll post content on the newer posts but I don't have lotsa time to do the full re-read of doom.
piece of advice... You SHOULD. Otherwise lurking scum will beat you.Brian wrote:If you'll notice, that's also a list of our least active people. When people don't talk a lot, I don't talk about them.
No. It's an explanation as to why I didn't lynch you yesterday. But consider it a warning. Someone claiming doc and after suggesting they're naive (wich equals VT).... not good... because it's like if you claimed when you were in danger and now you renounce your powers...LK wrote:Is that a threat? Be useful or I'll kill you? (This is mostly in jest.)
I really don't follow... can you elaborate on this an its relevance to Brian?LK talking about Brian wrote:I think scum would be quiet. Didn't I say this?
When you think a player is lurking you should go to his profile and look at the games he is playing... if he doesn't post in any of them then there's no reason to be suspicious... in this case... If you check his profile you'll see that he is being replaced on other games as well. So he is not replacing out ONLY from this game.LK wrote:About Lester: Does this mean you did that and he dropped off the map or that there are other games I should check to see if this is a common occurrence?
mmmm... There's other people who replace into games. You're not the only one... Skruffs just replaced for Lester so he could've been you.Albert wrote:If I didn't replace you would still have been in a night phase.
right. You find someone suspicious. Don't even know why (so we could call it a gut call) and you vote for them without saying anything else in your first posts? It's just odd IMO. There's no RVS when you replace into games.Albert wrote:I skimmed the thread and I found qwints suspicious without knowing the reason why yet.
mmm... I agree with KK... You should've had a full-read by now... Do you have time? If not... why did you replace?I'll post content on the newer posts but I don't have lotsa time to do the full re-read of doom.
Brian hasn't been quiet. If scum would be quiet, in my opinion, Brian doesn't fit that definition. Maybe Brian's just stupid scum? I mean, he's made a careless error and he's been very vocal, but this seems like something town aligned players are more likely to do. It's possible Brian looked at RC's posts and when he didn't find cateraction in the posts he just jumped on it automatically. I think Mafia would use the wagons (like RC did, but RC made sense with them, so he doesn't necessarily count) to try and veer the town into a mislynch OR lurk for the rest of the game to avoid suspicion.alexhans wrote:I really don't follow... can you elaborate on this an its relevance to Brian?LK talking about Brian wrote:I think scum would be quiet. Didn't I say this?
Or maybe he deduced that being talkative gets him lynched. Drawing "disappointed with role" is a little bit of a stretch, but I have seen that trend with other players in the past.alexhans wrote:I've read most of a very recent game where Archon was lynched on D1 an was scum... He was very talkative at first wich got him in trouble and he was finally lynched (I'm still missing 5 pages so I don't know what were everyone's motives for the lynch but he sure looked some scumm from the beginning). Later he replaced into this game (I think timelines are correct) and he posts very little content... like if he was dissapointed with his role and didnt want to throw suspicion upon him....
I think you get the jist of the analogy; I guess you just don't see your offense as, well, an offense.Brian 614 wrote:Cateraction is mango juice. Do I like mango juice or not? I never said anything about mango juice. I didn't say if I did or didn't like it.
XDKK 616 wrote:I feel somewhat demeaned by [being called the apple juice]. :/
ROFLAlbert 618 wrote:All right guys put down the fruit drinks and let's catch some scum.
If by consistent you mean consistently vauge:alex 619 wrote:As I've said. Brian suspecting KK along the game and after voting for me is consistent. It would've been suspicious if he voted Cater and cater flipped town. Anyway, in this case, being wrong throws suspicion on you because you NEVER interacted with cater and that could be you avoiding links with your partner.
To me, it's not even really about him avoiding interaction with cater, I don't think that's great but that's not what gets him my vote. It's the fact that heBrian 167 wrote:And as much as it pains me to say it, Kublai Khan is feeling better to me with time. Though I still think your early game play was suspect, your response to a lot of the accusations against you has been reasonable. Posts 147, 149, 153 and 155 are good posts.
Welcome to the game! You'll want to ask Albert and hohum directly the reasoning behind their votes, but if you want my own opinion on him, I'll give you a quick quote,Skruffs 620 wrote:So according to page one's first count, Qwints has two votes.
Let's discuss this!
Main issues with qwints:RC 517 wrote:qwints:
Cream had virtually nothing to look at, but as soon as qwints joins the game, rather than give an opinion on the players in the game and on the current Archaist wagon, he, quite oddly, comments on every single KK post in the game. This amounts to a few large walls that would become the basis of qwints' KK vote upon replacing and at the end of the day.
His case boils down to this, the first point being invalid and the second point being a reach at best. He concedes the first point is bad (post 256) but says his attitude is still too defensive.qwints 252 wrote:1) Saying he didn't attack Brian when he did and 2) saying he wasn't pushing a policy lynch when he was (I refer to ppp, not archon.)
I just don't see what all the fuss is about at this point. I don't know if it's a coincidence that qwints, Archon, and Brian were all major KK attackers throughout the day.
cater was in qwints' scummy section here, but apparently not scummy enough to consider jumping over KK.qwints 266 wrote:Scummy: Archaist. Kublai Kahn, lightkun and cateraction
Towny: alexhans, ChiefSky, BMQ, RedCoyote
Don't know: Lester, ppp973, archon
cater votes qwints, which was his first (and only) vote for anyone who didn't end up on his wagon. This could be distancing.cater 344 wrote:Qwints on the other hand, fits a scum role very well from what I've seen of him.
[...]
I think you're opportunistic scum pushing an easy wagon.
Vote: qwints
What I want to point about this is that qwints always had cater on his scummy side during D1, but what is particularly odd here is how qwints says he'll switch "to avoid a tie", but he never ends up doing this. Granted, he probably wasn't aware of the lynch going through despite a tie (as I wasn't either), but it still makes me a little uneasy.qwints 433 wrote:KK started out as my number one suspect and the complete dismissal of a PR on a flawed premise bothers me. Cateraction has been lurky and passive. No lynch is not really an option.
vote: Kublai Kahn
I will switch my vote if that's what it takes to avoid a tie
Agreed. I get the feeling he was trying to sweep his accusations under the rug by calling cater a random choice, but it ended up backfiring.KK 623 wrote:BrianMcQueso's "oops" just doesn't feel sincere.
Perhaps.Light-kun 626 wrote:Hm... I see your point on the ctrl+F "cateraction " thing, but I guess from my perspective a mafia player, having just lost their godfather, would do everything to not make a mistake like that.
Seems very unlikely. Why did Lester vote cater then?Light-kun 626 wrote:Lester groans/skruff (abandoned because of GF lynch?)
The deadline, I think, is your only saving grace, but if that's the case, if you weren't interested in pressuring cater at all, why did you push him for his claim?cater 629 wrote:I was not interested in a Cateraction lynch. Light-kun claimed doctor with literally less than 24 hours until deadline.
Be that as it may, you should still keep some minor tabs on what other conversations are going on. You mentioned at some point that you don't get a scum vibe off me, and I appreciate that, but who are you interested in pushing? As much as I'm asking you to defend yourself, I'd like to know who your suspects are as well.cater 629 wrote:If you'll notice, that's also a list of our least active people. When people don't talk a lot, I don't talk about them.
I think my accusations of Brian as above and beyond any and all other cases (there are other cases?) that have been made today.Light-kun 635 wrote:Brian hasn't been quiet. If scum would be quiet, in my opinion, Brian doesn't fit that definition. Maybe Brian's just stupid scum? I mean, he's made a careless error and he's been very vocal, but this seems like something town aligned players are more likely to do.
"Hey, uh, sis, can I get some pictures of you for MafiaScum.net? I need proof to show the mod that I had an excused V/LA!"Skruffs 638 wrote:I can post pix if you need me to.
I agree with the second part, but not the first.alex 640 wrote:I'll go with either Albert or Archon. Anyway, I'd like to hear from Archon's replacement first.
This is a pretty good point, I think you phrased it better than Light-kun did.KK 641 wrote:I'm finding myself agreeing with Light-Kun on the issue of scum keeping quiet on Day 2. The way that the deadline lynch happened at the end of Day 1 is a smorgasbord of leads for Day 2 and anyone that is avoiding commenting on it is scummy as hell.
True. Do you have any leads. And since I've failed to do it yesterday (didn't get on), I'm going to go look up Lester Groans as I was asked to do.Kublai Khan wrote:I'm finding myself agreeing with Light-Kun on the issue of scum keeping quiet on Day 2. The way that the deadline lynch happened at the end of Day 1 is a smorgasbord of leads for Day 2 and anyone that is avoiding commenting on it is scummy as hell.
The fact that Albert B. Rampage has only skimmed really irks me and Skruffs' attempt to get us to discuss something that's already been discussed was lame. Hopefully Skruffs will finally read the game on Thursday and participate.
You're analysis of me leaving the KK wagon doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Scum want non-scum to join their wagons on townies. Saying that me being scum clears KK is absolutely crazy. Scum attacking their partners and then jumping off the wagon before it gains steam is quite common. I really don't know what to make of this point except to say that it's wrong.Light-kun wrote: Anyway, I like Qwints for scum over Brian.
Why?
Qwints lost interest in his mega case on KK just because I joined. Looks like paranoia to be associated with me on what, if KK is town, would be a mislynch. (If Qwints is scum, KK is town, I'm sure.)
His interaction (above) around the Cater wagon also looks scummy, and with me claimed, he didn't have to worry about associating with the guy who looked scummy.
Qwints overall play hasn't been very pro town to me.
QFT. This post in particular seemed very scummy to me:redcoyote wrote: To me, it's not even really about him avoiding interaction with cater, I don't think that's great but that's not what gets him my vote. It's the fact that he admits he wasn't interested in the cater case, didn't make an effort to see why cater was the alternative lynch, asked the Mod to extend the game's deadline because cater was being lynched, and accepted cater's end of day behavior as townie behavior. Adding all of that up doesn't sit right with me.
Note that this is basically a dressed up, "I was too lazy to scum hunt" defense. He says he wasn't "interested" in cater twice and that he wasn't even paying attention to cater. Despite the fact that cater was squirming pretty bad in the run up to the lynch.BrianMcQueso wrote:
I was not interested in a Cateraction lynch. Light-kun claimed doctor with literally less than 24 hours until deadline. At that point, I really wasn't interested in lynching or even paying attention to cateraction. Kublai Khan had set off my scumdar before. I was not the only one voting for him at that point. I saw a good lynch, and I wanted to make sure someone other than one of our two claimed power roles would be lynched.
Yes, I really wasn't interested in the cateraction wagon. I had a perfectly good alternative.
RC already pointed out the deadline request, but he doesn't go far enough in rejecting Brian's defense. Brian was vigorously fighting for a KK lynch over a cater lynch.BrianMcQueso wrote:MOD:Can we have an extension? Please? I know you've given us a boatload of extra time already, but I'm just asking for another... 24 hours. So much has developed recently.
I'm really not buying the case against cateraction. Everyone has the instinct for self-preservation, regardless of alignment. And unvoting the doctor without re-voting is not scummy play.
While Kublai Khan has gotten a lot more pro-town as the game has progressed, his early play is deciding my vote. I'd rather see him lynched than cateraction, at this point.vote: Kublai Khan