The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Xtoxm]

I agree. Either someone we think is scum or a volunteer. The downside to random is the possible negative effect, such as roleblocking a town power. Random > Not using, though, is my opinion as I have made clear.

Ofcourse, there's the possibility it's not detrimental. There's only one way to find out.

I would say volunteer is the best.

[Sironigous]

What is so suspicious is that Naomi wants to use it but, she does not want to be she responsible.

That's what I'm trying to say. Thanks Pyro.

[Amished]

@Xtoxm: How about a scummy looking volunteer? Somebody that people have the most doubts about them?

[Xtoxm]

Yes, that sounds fine.

However we may not want to lynch the person who drinks it, depending on what happens. I would imagine the mod will make it obvious what happens.

[Sajin]

@Lamont I am still waiting for your answer to my question.

we need to generate discussion. how does everyone feel about no lynches?

Anyone who advocates NL Day 1 is advocating an advantage for the Mafi. Basically its like saying, "Let's pretend D1 never happened".

Why would you even think of advocating this?

This is not an answer.

[NuevaVida]

I volunteer to drink it

[Alabaska J]

really. information = good for town

outguessing the mod = bad for town

So a townie converts to Mafi and pretends to be silenced. Good for town??

Are you saying you know what the potion does?

never rely too much on flavor to tell you everything about a game.

[Alabaska J]

Which "noobie quiz" are you referring to, AJ?

the one you obviously haven't taken

vigging night 0 is a good idea

[NuevaVida]

Like I said I am willing to take this potion. I hope it helps town

[Lamont_Cranston]

At this point, volunteering is anti-town. There should be NO more volunteers.

I am starting to understand Xtoxm's argument more of an initial "acid test" just to be sure we aren't throwing away what is meant to help us.

Based on the above logic, I think that forcing it on the town's lynch candidate would make sense.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Which "noobie quiz" are you referring to, AJ?

the one you obviously haven't taken

vigging night 0 is a good idea

I don't vig n0.

[populartajo]

Which "noobie quiz" are you referring to, AJ?

the one you obviously haven't taken

vigging night 0 is a good idea

I don't vig n0.

oh pal you have much to learn.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I've seen many games blown by an irresponsible vig.

[populartajo]

I've seen many games blown by an irresponsible vig.

thats the kay.

being responsible.

vigging in n0 is a responsible thing to do.

[Naomi_Saotome]

Blerg, I see this as a weak debate to start the game.

Listen people, there are people that regardless allignment, they will always choose to take risks.

And there are always people that regardless allignment, they will always choose to be conservative about risks.

I could bet that at this point there are both scum and town in the "omg, dont drink it" group and both town and scum in the "yey drink it" group

Also, where did the mod say that this game would be unfair to the town?

Agree'd, pretty much everyone has stated whether they want to use it or not. They have also made cases for how it should be used. And in that regard I find it to be a waste of time to argue about using it or not. Because as Tajo said, some people aren't going to want to drink it and take the risk.

My thoughts to let hohum make the call has nothing to do with misdeeds, it's just a matter of getting the detraction out of the way. The why I look at the decanter, if used, is useful. If not used, it isn't useful. If we keep trying to decide what to do with it, next to useless. The only use we're getting out of it right now, is pointing our fingers. But the probability that we point our fingers at the right person are slim.

[Naomi_Saotome]

At this point, volunteering is anti-town. There should be NO more volunteers.

I am starting to understand Xtoxm's argument more of an initial "acid test" just to be sure we aren't throwing away what is meant to help us.

Based on the above logic, I think that forcing it on the town's lynch candidate would make sense.

Agree'd once again... seeing as I've said this once already.

[NuevaVida]

Well according to Lamont it should go to you. However I feel like taking a risk. It could be amazingly benficial.

[Naomi_Saotome]

Yes, I think it's probable to assume that it would likely kill someone. Though I'm sure there are an infinite number of other possibilities. Since we don't know what it is, it could be wine, or some kind of truth serum. Seeing as we don't 'what' the item does, I think it plays more value by being here then it does by being used or not being used. I think the decanter has caused quite the stir, and we can't agree on what to do with it. Which creates a major problem. Since we all can't agree on it, the decanter is next to worthless. Which is why I suggested someone else make the call.

Let me get this straight. So, your saying that in all probability this will have a negative effect. And that it is likely it will be given to the town. So that there is a good chance that the town as a whole or individually will suffer because one of us drinks it. Yet, you are advocating that we should drink it. We do not know if we need these to win, chances are we don't.

Unvote, Vote: Naomi

No I did not say that its likely to be given to a townie. So, you're contradicting yourself in your statement. We don't know what it's affects are. Good or bad. Yet you assume I think it's bad for the town. Which really means you think it's bad for the town. I did not say 'in all probability' I said that it's likely to have a negative affect, but it is also likely that it can help us. And I do believe I stated that we don't know what these items do many times. I do believe that using it will help us, regardless of what the decanter's contents actually do.

[Naomi_Saotome]

Well according to Lamont it should go to you. However I feel like taking a risk. It could be amazingly benficial.

I can't argue with what the town wants.
And you're right, the risk could be beneficial. I see that as worth the risk, and others see it as not worth it. But if we don't take some risks, we're likely to get nowhere.

[NuevaVida]

fine then since you guys want to give it to Naomi since she is currently our lynch target go ahead

[NuevaVida]

Like it has been said THIS GAME WILL BE UNFAIR TOWARDS TOWN. So right now if we dont capitalize on it it will start becoming very unfair for ttownspeople like me

[Lamont_Cranston]

fine then since you guys want to give it to Naomi since she is currently our lynch target go ahead

Until someone is at L-2 there really can't be any discussion on whether or not they are the town lynch candidate.

The votecount is on page 17 at this point...

[Lamont_Cranston]

fine then since you guys want to give it to Naomi since she is currently our lynch target go ahead

Until someone is at L-2 there really can't be any discussion on whether or not they are the town lynch candidate.

The votecount is on page 17 at this point...

Also, I know Naomi has alot of votes but I still don't understand what the case is against her. I DO see how her views on the elixir have been inconsistent, but I haven't seen how this makes her scum...

[Sajin]

Why would we give it to the lynch canidate? That makes no sense.

If its beneficial we threw it away.

If its harmful, its not any worse then not using it

If its verifiable, we lost an oppurtunity to verify someone.

The lynch canidate is someone it should NOT go to.

[Pyromaniac]

If someone HAS to drink it to appease a majority of the town, then it should be shadow knight IMO. He advocated no lynch d1, he also volunteered. The case against Naomi coming in the next post.