Open 143: Jungle Republic (Game Over!) before 787

[AceMarksman]

my opinions on the seer as I read: As long as there are two werewolves, Dust's claim shouldn't be CC'd as our one seer is more valuable then their lynches. After one is lynched, the seer then should CC (if dust is lying), netting us the two dangerous scum.

Vote Count

zwetschenwasser 3 - Khamisa, dejkha, AshMC1984
AceMarksman 3 - Percy, Mixologist, Dust
AA23 1 - Gorckat

[dejkha]

my opinions on the seer as I read: As long as there are two werewolves, Dust's claim shouldn't be CC'd as our one seer is more valuable then their lynches. After one is lynched, the seer then should CC (if dust is lying), netting us the two dangerous scum.

Dust is likely dead tonight either way, so it doesn't matter if he's lying. Unless he's a werewolf that is. Otherwise it would stupid of the werewolves to let him live to attract suspicion.

[hewitt]

my opinions on the seer as I read: As long as there are two werewolves, Dust's claim shouldn't be CC'd as our one seer is more valuable then their lynches. After one is lynched, the seer then should CC (if dust is lying), netting us the two dangerous scum.

I agree with what you're saying mostly. Not quite sure if I agree with when you're proposing he counter-claims (if he's lying) but I don't think he/she should counter-claim now.

But I'm also wondering why there is soooo much attention on him lying at this point. I think most of us are in agreement that it shouldn't be counter-claimed so at this point assume that he's telling the truth and get over it for right now.

[Dust]

Or, you could just not even assume, and know that I'm telling the truth. ; D Hewitt is right. Fixation on me is not really helping. At all.

Anyway, Ace, answer my questions.

[zwetschenwasser]

Nice way to shrug off all suspicion of you, dust.

[hewitt]

Nice way to shrug off all suspicion of you, dust.

Did he not just claim seer. Do you want to lynch the seer today?

[Mixologist]

@hewitt - It might have been lost in translation, but I was actually referring to the Dust bandwagon. Can I get your thoughts on that?

@AA- We've had sufficient discussion, would you answer my question I asked you awhile ago:

Who on the wagon do you think is Wolves and to that extent who off the wagon do you think is Mafia?

I'll live with a top three for now.

[AceMarksman]

Or, you could just not even assume, and know that I'm telling the truth. ; D Hewitt is right. Fixation on me is not really helping. At all.

Anyway, Ace, answer my questions.

erm, may I have a link? I'm trying to read through multiple games en masse and I think I missed them.

[Dust]

That said, I still stand by the opinion of earnestly wishing to hear more from Ace. I want to hear his ideas on the game, his thoughts on the progression of the various wagons, a defense of his actions in regard to my wagon, and an explanation of his incorrect use of my meta.

There ya go, Ace.

[AceMarksman]

heh. Lemme finish my read when I'm not about to fall asleep and I'll answer those.

[hewitt]

@hewitt - It might have been lost in translation, but I was actually referring to the Dust bandwagon. Can I get your thoughts on that?

Honestly, it sounds to me like disgruntled scum who are pissed off that their opportunity to lynch a townie is ruined so they're moping about it and trying to somehow cast him in a bad light.

[AA23]

Hewitt - You're coming across as a bit of a nodding head since the bottom of pg 12. - - can you give more reasoning behind anything you're agreeing with? (ie. Ace telling us we can CC tomorrow when Dust is dead no matter what anyhow - - Dej pointing this out - -and then you agreeing with it regardless?)

Mix - - are you talking about "why isn't your vote on him"? - -

FoS:Ace
For using hyperbole to strengthen a vote against Dust and opportunistically distancing yourself to take it off.

I want more before I vote. We have time - - and I'm not satisfied with Hewitt, he indeed types more than he says, and I take his jumping back from lurking with agreeable manner to be suspicious.

Hewitt- - you answered mix's questio, but acknowledged the first two before he clarified Dust's - - Can you not give an opinion on the other wagons?

[Mixologist]

@AA-

Who on the wagon do you think is Wolves and to that extent who off the wagon do you think is Mafia?

I'll live with a top three for now.

Please stop sidestepping.

[Empking]

Ash: Why is Zwet scum?
Mix: Why is Ace scum?

[zwetschenwasser]

Nice way to shrug off all suspicion of you, dust.

Did he not just claim seer. Do you want to lynch the seer today?

No, I want to lynch him if he doesn't die tonight.

[Percy]

Will post tomorrow.

(Sorry, busy again)

[AceMarksman]

Bump so this is not lost to MeMe

[AA23]

@AA-

Who on the wagon do you think is Wolves and to that extent who off the wagon do you think is Mafia?

I'll live with a top three for now.

Please stop sidestepping.

...?

This is directed to me and aparently said by you - can you clarify?

[AA23]

Oh, I see what you did there -

Yeah, I can't answer that question, not enough evidence and speculation would be filler

[AA23]

How am side stepping? I think you're lashing out at people that don't dance to your tune, friend - I will not rush any investigation, or speculate the allignment of multiple people with no evidence - are we clear?

The moment a finger is pointed at someone, cases become manufactured around them in an attempt to fill said suspicion.

I want scumtells to lead me to people - not an eager player that wants the day to end telling me to draw names from a hat.

I'm having hard enough time determining the allingment of one and don't want to risk a mislynch so exuse me if I'm not interested in saying "These guys!!" **points**

[zwetschenwasser]

Sidestepping is actually a NY-style salsa dance technique...

[AA23]

I laughed on the inside when the sentence lead to "dane to your tune"... lol

[zwetschenwasser]

We're all polish?

[hewitt]

Hewitt - You're coming across as a bit of a nodding head since the bottom of pg 12. - - can you give more reasoning behind anything you're agreeing with? (ie. Ace telling us we can CC tomorrow when Dust is dead no matter what anyhow - - Dej pointing this out - -and then you agreeing with it regardless?)

Mix - - are you talking about "why isn't your vote on him"? - -

FoS:Ace
For using hyperbole to strengthen a vote against Dust and opportunistically distancing yourself to take it off.

I want more before I vote. We have time - - and I'm not satisfied with Hewitt, he indeed types more than he says, and I take his jumping back from lurking with agreeable manner to be suspicious.

Hewitt- - you answered mix's questio, but acknowledged the first two before he clarified Dust's - - Can you not give an opinion on the other wagons?

I have no idea what you're talking about in your first paragraph. I don't recall agreeing with anything Ace has proposed or anything, totally confused.

Let me just state this as clearly as I can- I do not support a counter-claim today because I believe Dust is the seer at the moment. As for the other wagons I support a zwets wagon mainly because of this-

Nice way to shrug off all suspicion of you, dust.

Did he not just claim seer. Do you want to lynch the seer today?

No, I want to lynch him if he doesn't die tonight.

That was the perfect answer for scum. Scum can send in a nightkill on anybody else other than Dust and then support lynching Dust because he wasn't nightkilled (a.k.a. "proving" he's scum). You totally walked right into that one zwets and I think I've totally caught scum here.

Vote: zwets

[AA23]

Isn't he saying that he would lynch Dust if the scum didn't NK him? Which would suggest Dust is scum and make perfect sense?

And you said you didn't understand the first paragraph - reread post 300-302

You're still not coming across very town like to me - you're unclear and inaccurate