The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote Count

UnofficialRulerofEveryone - 1 (Nyx)
Lamont_Cranston - 1 (Sajin)
hohum - 1 (Pablo Molinero)
Sajin - 2 (Amished, hohum)
Naomi_Saotome - 3 (Xtoxm, unpopulartajo, Alabaska J)
Pablo Molinero - 3 (Lamont_Cranston, Naomi_Saotome, Pyromaniac)

Not Voting - Everyone Else, Obviously.

Public Service Announcements For Those Incapable Of Reading:
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hohum is V/LA until 18th
Prods are by request only, as per first post, which you all read. Didn't you.

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[Alabaska J]

Someone has to drink it. I don't care who. Seriously. Not using all the items, at least this early, is a waste.

Agreed. i really don't like hohum's stance on not using the items, or Lamont's backing of it. do you know how much harder we could be making this game for ourselves? and i agree that we should do this randomly, but if the randomly chosen person does not want to do it, then they don't have to.

[Amished]

lol welcome back to the manor AJ....

[Alabaska J]

I am 100% in favor of someone drinking the drink.

I am against the idea of random.org, since we'll just read into however a given person's "randomization" goes. Let's just pick someone. I pick Lamont.

this is seriously really cute

[Pyromaniac]

I agree with amished. If it is random or nothing, which it does appear to be, we have a larger chance of hitting town. I am now convinced that it has a negative effect.

[Alabaska J]

this is pure speculation...
but what if it gave him an advantage? Say he drinks it, and then he can see everyone's roles...
Seeing as we don't know if he's scum or townie... how does that help?

I think its Hohum's decision whether to use it or not.

I say let him make the decision because then he alone is responsible for the outcome. If we sit around bickering about whether or not to use it, we're all still just pointing a finger at each other.

But then again, pointing the finger might help us all... so if we all agree to use it, I think Xtoxm should drink it, seeing as he volunteered.

wow

vote: Naomi

[Alabaska J]

Conversely, I think not wanting anyone to drink the drink is anti-town. It's usually a townie who gets lynched on day one. Throwing a wrench into things and making the game more interesting should lead to more things to analyze, more discussion, and more chances to find scum...and I think all of that is very much pro-town.

what is the point of the second sentence in this post?

[Lamont_Cranston]

I will wait until AJ gets back to the present before responding... 9.9

[Alabaska J]

Vote Naomi

285 looks very much like newb-scum to me.

285 looks like pro-town to me.

Fos Xtoxm

you're kidding right

i can understand disagreeing that it is noobscum, but going as far as to call it pro-town is quite a reach

FoS: Lamont

[Xtoxm]

Thankyou for bringing some rationality to the game, AJ.

If it is random or nothing, which it does appear to be, we have a larger chance of hitting town. I am now convinced that it has a negative effect.

Do you support no lynching on D1? This is THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT. Jesus.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Thankyou for bringing some rationality to the game, AJ.

If it is random or nothing, which it does appear to be, we have a larger chance of hitting town. I am now convinced that it has a negative effect.

Do you support no lynching on D1? This is THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT. Jesus.

It most certainly is not. No-lynching NEVER converts a player to pro-mafi/neutral (which is worse than outright death).

[Pyromaniac]

Thankyou for bringing some rationality to the game, AJ.

If it is random or nothing, which it does appear to be, we have a larger chance of hitting town. I am now convinced that it has a negative effect.

Do you support no lynching on D1? This is THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT. Jesus.

Lynching is a necessity in order to win the game. I am yet to see a good argument that these are, or even that using them randomly will help us more than it will hurt us.

[Amished]

Mod: Please prod NuevaVida

I'm also calling out URoEveryone. Post something substantial. I realize you *had* problems with your computer/whatever, but the 20 hours that you said you'd have something has gone about 20 hours ago.

Xtoxm: Lynching D1 is nothing like giving a random person a random effect. Votes pile on due to inactivity, scummy behavior, whatever. A random person getting the decanter behaves nothing like a lynch. What connection do you have between not giving a random person a random effect and not lynching anybody?

Also:

Like I said, I suspect this item will be detrimental to the player regardless of their alignment. The mod said we are meant to think in this game. I don't know anything much about Chzo, but alcohol is a reasonable guess. Alcohol could, like I said, lose someone their vote today, or maybe count as roleblock tonight. I seriously doubt it would kill someone.

I can't think of how drinking a liquid like that would be much of a good thing for anyone who drank it.

I cannot comprehend why any pro-town role would not want this item used.

...... Do you just misunderstand yourself or what? You suspect it would be detrimental to whoever drinks it, but you can't think of any reason a pro-town player wouldn't want to drink it? Yes, all pro-town people want to become weaker.../sarcasm.

[Alabaska J]

@Steph

, are you a big fan of blind vig-killing on the first day?

hopefully everyone is

[Amished]

@Steph

, are you a big fan of blind vig-killing on the first day?

hopefully everyone is

What possible protown motivation is behind this? Seriously.

[Xtoxm]

Amished is probably scum. I've seen him as town, and I don't see him acting like this as town. He's a good player, and it's obvious wasting items will be to the town's detriment. Only scum want items going to waste.

Picking someone/having a volunteer would be better, but a random is fine. We need to find out what it's going to do. This is the FIRST ITEM, on DAY ONE.

[Alabaska J]

Ok the two prevailing arguments are:

1) This thing is more likely to hurt the town than help it -- let it go away.

2) The item is something that itself needs to be explored for potential benefit to the town, letting it go is hurting the town.

Since:

A) The Mod has said he hates townies and wants to mind screw them
B) Chzo is all about villagers dying in a bloody way so a bodily-dispossessed boy can walk the earth again, killing everyone.
C) There is at least 2/3 more town than Mafi/Neutral

I don't think #2 is safe and I think it is anti-village to advocate #2.

If we had an item with more definite properties I could advocate #2 but since this is totally unpredictable, see A-C.

yay for outguessing the mod

[Alabaska J]

Fos Pyro

For the record let it be noted:
You're quick to defend your choice of actions...

why is this bad

[Alabaska J]

@Steph

, are you a big fan of blind vig-killing on the first day?

hopefully everyone is

What possible protown motivation is behind this? Seriously.

before anything else is said, let me ask you: have you taken the noobie quiz?

[Knight of Cydonia]

NuevaVida has been prodded. It was a thoroughly unpleasant experience.

[Alabaska J]

agreed Lamont makes a good point...

Unvote, vote Pablo

opportunistic :/

[Lamont_Cranston]

Amished is probably scum. I've seen him as town, and I don't see him acting like this as town. He's a good player, and it's obvious wasting items will be to the town's detriment. Only scum want items going to waste.

Picking someone/having a volunteer would be better, but a random is fine. We need to find out what it's going to do. This is the FIRST ITEM, on DAY ONE.

Have you been reading the thread? Post to follow of all the reasons why using the elixir is BAD for the town.

[Xtoxm]

I have explained why town should be using it. I do not intend to repeat myself.

[Alabaska J]

really. information = good for town

outguessing the mod = bad for town

[Lamont_Cranston]

really. information = good for town

outguessing the mod = bad for town

So a townie converts to Mafi and pretends to be silenced. Good for town??