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Post Post #1300 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 9:09 am

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I really hate how looker acts like a complete idiot just to piss people off...


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-zwetschenwasser (5): AceMarksman, caf19, Moratorium, Gorrad, Empking
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Post Post #1301 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 9:23 am

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zwetschenwasser wrote:I really hate how looker acts like a complete idiot just to piss people off...
I know I shouldn't laugh because of this, but I did...
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Post Post #1302 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 11:35 am

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Post Post #1303 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 1:00 pm

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Zwets wrote: I really hate how looker acts like a complete idiot just to piss people off...
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Post Post #1304 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 1:05 pm

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Ort, please dont avoid my posts.
tajo wrote:This is not fishing at all. Its asking WHY since the information they have is not rolefishing and scum may very well hiding behind this "I cant tell yuo today or Im not going to elaborate" shit. Its asking them to come clean since at this moment we are in a zwet lynch debate and its responsibility of ort to give us a vital point of view and explain clearly if he thinks zwet is town or likely town.

Also, if you investigate ort a little more, he recently fakeclaimed cop in Past Ages Mafia, so you can all understand where this bad feeling comes from.
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Post Post #1305 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 1:06 pm

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ortolan wrote:I seriously cannot believe tajo doesn't have more votes on him

He has repeatedly rolefished, explicitly asked for claims before players are at L-1, repeatedly focused on scummy rolefishing methods including asking for a mass-claim day one, and is pretty much just naming as his suspect people who lurk and are easy to lynch bar me. He is blatantly scummy and his usual playstyle is far more analytic whereas all he is doing here is picking on people like Looker with a blatantly transparently disingenuous case and has simply been OMGUSing me all game despite all objective indications of my alignment suggesting town so far.

If Gorrad is indeed town and agrees with tajo's suspicions list that honestly mystifies me.
EPIC FAIL.

Guys, can you tell me why do you think ort is town? Because I AM NOT really seeing it.
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Post Post #1306 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 1:17 pm

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I'm not seeing it either, but I'm not seeing a way that zwet is NOT scum at the moment, so he has my vote.
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Post Post #1307 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 1:28 pm

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He has repeatedly rolefished
Fail. Im not rolefishing. You aparently softclaimed. The player that is leading the votes is the same player you think is town for reasons that arent clear

explicitly asked for claims before players are at L-1
And this is bad why

repeatedly focused on scummy rolefishing methods including asking for a mass-claim day one
trying to break the game means something to you?

and is pretty much just naming as his suspect people who lurk and are easy to lynch bar me
My case on Looker is not that he is lurking. Fail. Dont you read?

and has simply been OMGUSing me all game
OMGUS means that I dont have a reason to vote you other than you voting me. If you would read my posts instead of posting crap like this maybe you would see why I think you are scum.

all objective indications of my alignment suggesting town so far.
I missed them. Can you point to them?
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Post Post #1308 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 2:01 pm

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populartajo wrote:
OMGUS means that I dont have a reason to vote you other than you voting me. If you would read my posts instead of posting crap like this maybe you would see why I think you are scum.
MS Wiki: OMGUS wrote:It can be used as an "excuse" for a Random Vote near the beginning of the game, or as a retaliation when someone is close to being lynched, as a vent against the frustration (even if the player being voted for has no reasonable chance of being Lynched).

Occasionally a Scum player will use it to cover a strategic vote, feigning outrage to get someone else closer to a lynch.
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Post Post #1309 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 2:12 pm

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You think its OMGUS when Im giving reasons why I think he is scum?

Also, Im noticing how you only appear to go against me.

Do you have an opinion on others?
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Post Post #1310 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 3:02 pm

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sirdanilot wrote:
caf19 wrote:I'm still
generally
up for a zwet lynch,
but if support for it is waning then I'll have to look at other options.
Reread time.
Good use of unexplained bolding. I assume you're implying that I'm scummy for just going along with other people's opinions. If that's the case, I don't really care if you think it's scummy. That post is exactly how I felt at the time. I've been focusing on zwet and if I can't get him lynched then I'll have to widen the search.
sirdanilot wrote:I'll reread this guy some time. He seems to fall in the same category as WLC, as well as quints on day 1 (now flipped scum). Posting reasonably regularly, although not ubiquitous, and posting content as well as scummy things like these. Short periods of absence are common.
How is any of this a scumtell? :?
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caf19 wrote:Ok, zwet's claim didn't present us with any huge reasons not to lynch him.

His claim wasn't a huge disaster but is weak and nebulous enough that it could easily have come from scum. The fire-resistance seems to fit flavour-wise, but obviously scum would know their own killing methods. It's something that could have been fabricated without too much trouble.

Then again, the nagging voice in the back of my head tells me that for a zwetclaim, 'not a disaster' is probably the best thing you're going to get...

ort, how certain exactly does your info make you that zwet is town?
lol blatant zwet lynch push. wiffle waffle I am sitting comfortably on my fence.
I was voting zwet at the time (still am) and it's fairly obvious I wanted him lynched. What kind of a fence is that?
sirdanilot wrote: In his last line he is doing something we could interpret as rolefishing but maybe that would be just a
tiny bit
too fast...
It's not rolefishing when you consider that at the time, there were people who were just flat out asking ortolan to reveal his roleinfo. This was a more useful and less potentially anti-town approach.
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Post Post #1311 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 3:04 pm

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Also, Looker posted even though he's getting replaced. Wha?
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Post Post #1312 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 10:50 pm

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Post Post #1313 (ISO) » Thu May 14, 2009 11:51 pm

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ThAdmiral replaces Looker.
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Post Post #1314 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 12:03 am

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Zeenon has been prodded.
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Post Post #1315 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 1:59 am

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populartajo (1307) wrote:He has repeatedly rolefished
Fail. Im not rolefishing. You aparently softclaimed. The player that is leading the votes is the same player you think is town for reasons that arent clear
Leading the votes is not a good reason for someone being scummy, especially in this town.
populartajo (1307) wrote:explicitly asked for claims before players are at L-1
And this is bad why
It should be obvious why. The only reason you ask someone to claim is if they are definitely otherwise going to be lynched; and it's in the hope they happen to be a power-role- so that in some cases if the claim is believed another player can be lynched instead. You didn't follow accepted protocol and continued with the out-of-character role-fishing behaviour you've demonstrated all game; and asked for a claim when he was at L-4 i.e. when you did not have the town behind you to lynch him.
populartajo (1307) wrote:repeatedly focused on scummy rolefishing methods including asking for a mass-claim day one
trying to break the game means something to you?
More like trying to falsely gain townpoints/ learning who has a certain role you seek; under the (very, very likely incorrect) assumption the mod would allow the game to be easily broken by masslclaim
populartajo (1307) wrote:and is pretty much just naming as his suspect people who lurk and are easy to lynch bar me
My case on Looker is not that he is lurking. Fail. Dont you read?
Your case on Looker, now replaced by ThAdmiral, relied on the assumption that his play is not routinely anti-town, which for all the evidence I've seen, it is

And as of your "policy lynch" or should I say "scum list" in 1270, you name myself, Looker, and Riceballtail.

This was having previously applied a whole load of pressure to zwet and forced him to claim. From experience, those three (zwet, Riceballtail, Looker) would be the easiest to lynch in any game. In Sushi Mafia Riceballtail lurked a whole lot and could have been lynched rather easily.

You also have me. I suspect I'm on there because we have already seen the sheer number of sheep in this game who will probably still follow crappy wagons despite points like:

1) I opposed massclaim day one despite being perfectly capable of complying with it. If you were town and I were scum this would be nonsensical play.

2) Of the two flipped scum,
both
attacked me heavily day one.

3) I was second on the wagon, of the flipped scum.

According to tajo though, I've done "nothing pro-town at all" (LuL) (for reference he was actively trying to take votes away from the flipped scum and onto Looker, the paradigm easy target), and I'm still MeGa ScuMMy!!! I almost admire your audacity in just saying "NO NO ORT IS SCUM LOOK", but time spent admiring is time spent not getting you up on the gallows.

WLC dropped off the scumlist a bit for me when I realised he'd actively voted Shadow Knight day one, while tajo was still trying to take votes off the wagon.

I'm very interested to see if you keep going as hard after someone who can defend himself (ThAdmiral) now, tajo.

And I already clarified exactly why I believed zwet's claim, so unless you want another gone fishin' jpeg I think we can steer the conversation away from that topic.
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Post Post #1316 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 3:58 am

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killa seven wrote: im down to lynch zwet, i dont think he is trying to help the town just distract everyone.
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Post Post #1317 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 4:01 am

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you guys are lazy, you think scum will jump in your lap and you'll win by making incredibly obvious and incorrect lynches.
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Post Post #1318 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 4:07 am

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ortolan wrote: I'm very interested to see if you keep going as hard after someone who can defend himself (ThAdmiral) now, tajo.
Considering how drawn out the feud between you two has been...
ortolan wrote: And I already clarified exactly why I believed zwet's claim, so unless you want another gone fishin' jpeg I think we can steer the conversation away from that topic.
Have to look this up...

Couldn't find it by searching your posts for Zwets, can you either point out your case again or point to the post that explains why you think zwets is town?
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Post Post #1319 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 4:08 am

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ortolan wrote: you guys are lazy, you think scum will jump in your lap and you'll win by making incredibly
obvious
and incorrect lynches.
Strange language.
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Post Post #1320 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 4:09 am

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It is possible in this game for (pro-town) players to be immune to fire
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Post Post #1321 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 4:10 am

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Yer I guess it is, tajo is an obvious lynch to me whereas zwet is an obvious mislynch. I guess it depends on whose perspective you're referring to, maybe it's because I'm an amazing mafia player :)
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Post Post #1322 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 4:10 am

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It's also possible for my Tiger-repelling rock here on my deak to work exactly how it should for 35 years.

Not sure I see your point.
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Post Post #1323 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 4:10 am

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*desk
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Post Post #1324 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2009 4:11 am

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I think you should vote tajo, he is scum.

You'll thank me after the flip
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