The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Lamont_Cranston]

Conversely, I think not wanting anyone to drink the drink is anti-town. It's usually a townie who gets lynched on day one. Throwing a wrench into things and making the game more interesting should lead to more things to analyze, more discussion, and more chances to find scum...and I think all of that is very much pro-town.

You MUST be joking. At best the argument about the liquid is WIFOM and at worst its anti-town.

Anyone advocating forcing it on anyone should be considered to be asking it to be forced on themselves

AND if I held the liquid I would give it to no one.

[Stephoscope]

The dice code on this forum is sufficiently random for me. Why is it not for you steph? Your also the one who wanted it to go to lamont because he wanted it....why? How would it help us determine his playstyle on him in particular over someone else?

vote Stephoscope

fos Lamont

I like your logic here Sajin, but I would more broadly apply it to ANYONE that advocates forcing of the liquid; "insert recipient name HERE".

FoS Steph

Well, be fair--I advocate that we all vote on whom to force it to. And I'm sure there are more townies than scum that'd be voting...

[Stephoscope]

Anyone advocating forcing it on anyone should be considered to be asking it to be forced on themselves

Well, duh. I want to vote on it, and I'm as much of a candidate to drink it as anyone else is.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Steph

, are you a big fan of blind vig-killing on the first day?

[Stephoscope]

If I was scum I'd be reluctant to drink

[Naomi_Saotome]

I'm not advocating any sort of suspicion... but hohum, why don't you want to use the decanter on yourself? and why don't you want to use it period?

Forgive me if you've mentioned this before, but perhaps a little more detail?

[Lamont_Cranston]

If I was scum I'd be reluctant to drink

QFT

[Stephoscope]

If I was scum I'd be reluctant to drink

QFT

Well, let the record show you're absolutely terrified of that drink.

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL. Nooooo, let the record show this:

1) If I was scum I would be terrified to drink it because the risk would be proportionately greater to my faction.

2) I think its anti-town to force it on anyone because of the potential harm to the town which is not necessary.

3) I think its potentially anti-town to volunteer to drink (see #2) AND it could be abused because it may be that only the drinker knows what the effects will be and then WHO KNOWS what might happen.

[Naomi_Saotome]

If I was scum I'd be reluctant to drink

QFT

Well, let the record show you're absolutely terrified of that drink.

Shouldn't we all be? seeing as we don't know what it does?

FoS Stephoscope

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Steph

, are you a big fan of blind vig-killing on the first day?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Now boys and girls, I think its time to break out in song.

This '80s funk classic goes out to the Mod and all my elixir fans out there:

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[Stephoscope]

@Steph

, are you a big fan of blind vig-killing on the first day?

Although I'm not even trying to guess what the drink does, I really doubt it just kills the drinker.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Steph

, are you a big fan of blind vig-killing on the first day?

Although I'm not even trying to guess what the drink does, I really doubt it just kills the drinker.

Steph it could do worse. Why should the town take the risk? Just for the disntinct possibility that a townie could permanently become a Mafi, it should be rejected.

[Sironigous]

1) If I

was

scum I would be terrified to drink it because the risk would be proportionately greater to my faction.

...

I'm giving Lamont benefit of the doubt... Ugh, grammar rules. ;/

italicized part for emphasis

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Lamont... What's worse than that?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Either way if I don't know what's in it then I'm not drinking it personally, even if it means I'll be helping someone else.

I think by extension, this way of thinking should be applied to the town as a whole:

"

Either way if I don't know what's in it then WE'RE not drinking it.

"

[Lamont_Cranston]

1) If I

was

scum I would be terrified to drink it because the risk would be proportionately greater to my faction.

Lamont... What's worse than that?

Well worse than a town death would be a conversion from town to Mafi or neutral. This is not beyond the pale; there IS a role called "Amnesiac" which assumes roles as part of its role function.

[Sironigous]

Oh yeah. Forgot about that one.

.. well, ultimately hohum has the decanter, so I guess it's kinda his choice on what to do with it.

I guess mafia =/= democracy.

[Lamont_Cranston]

So you're ok with something that you don't care to speculate on (so therefore you admit that it *can* be very bad) and to allow that to go to somebody that potentially might balance the town side due to randomness? (

since even in the flavor/sign-ups the mod said that this game is probably not going to be that fair to the town

) I prefer not to take chances in a closed setup that's somewhat bastardized already, and probably balanced somewhat against the town, just judging from my knowledge of the x games a stranger series.

^^^ Wat he sed.

[Sajin]

Well sure the exact effects are unknown. But the effect could be confirmable (lots of possibilities are confirmable) and this possibility means we should use it as a chance to get confirmation of something. The town is uninformed and any information helps.

I could say the same thing about a Vig shot- The vig could kill a townie. Does this mean the Vig should not shoot? The lynch could lynch a townie. Are you advocating no lynch then?

[populartajo]

These are my thoughts.

There are two possibilities in the drink:

Its bad. Therefore we should give it to someone we think is scum or not use it all.

Its good. Therefore we should give it to someone we think is town.

So, lets analyse things.

I dont think its effect would be tremendous antitown or tremendous protown since it would likely prevent us from guessing if we should use future items.

Im slightly leaning to use it since KOC proabbly started this item speculation game with a item that its not detrimental to the town. That way we can feel a little more confident in using future items.

Also, Xtoxm is prob town. Agree also that Naomi feels newb scum.

Unvote Vote : Naomi.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I could say the same thing about a Vig shot- The vig could kill a townie. Does this mean the Vig should not shoot? The lynch could lynch a townie. Are you advocating no lynch then?

A lynch is an informed decision to reveal the role and remove from the game a particular player. The results are almost 100% guaranteed.

Giving an item to someone where the results are unknown is a total

crap shoot

, emphasis on

CRAP

.

I'm not a big fan of vigging without a concrete reason and I am a HUGE fan of a fully informed village lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Tajo:

What do you think of post #318?

[populartajo]

@Tajo:

What do you think of post #318?

I think its a reasonable argument but we should see this as gambling.

For reference, my first idea was to let the item go without using it on anyone. We avoid the randomness of the item and then concentrate on scumhunting ftw.

But then the point that prob items were considered in the balance of the game was made.

And then I started thinking. If KOC wanted us to use items (since its obvious that items are going to be a big part of this game) he would start the game with a)an item that would not be so detrimental to the town or b)an item advantageous to the town.

If we are going to use an item, then I also think that the best time to use it is today since the probs of screwing improve as the game progresses.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I think the Mods intentions are WIFOM almost exactlyh as presented in the movie itself. BOTH goblets are poisoned here imo.