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[dejkha]

Actually after re-reading both zwet and Ace in isolation I'm more interested in Ace though for these two posts:

Vote: dust

I have seen dust in other games (not on this site) playing as scum, and in every one where he is scum, he starts exactly like this.

Things to note: stifling of the RVS, which he supports when he's town, being quick to FoS but slow to vote etc.

dej: Mind you

I've only seen him in one game as scum

, but he started it the same way.

Contradiction anyone?

*facepalm*

Please tell me someone other than Percy noticed when I pointed this out earlier.

@Ash, Zwet put Dust at L-3, so it's that's not very dangerous, nor is it particularly close to a lynch since there's still wiggle room and it was early in the game, not to mention how it was Zwet who had the newly formed wagon when you voted him. Zwet voted because of Ace's meta on Dust, so that means they were both voting for the same reason: Ace's meta on Dust, and you only made a point of Zwet doing it. Is that not the case? That's what I see it as.

I can't really explain without pissing Dust off. I've seen him as an alt only once on MS, but he forbade me from telling who. I know this sounds shaky, but he can confirm it for you.

There's not really much to explain. You lied.

Vote Count

zwetschenwasser 3 - Khamisa, dejkha, AshMC1984
AceMarksman 2 - Percy, Mixologist
AA23 1 - Gorckat

[AceMarksman]

No I didn't. I've seen him in multiple games as scum, but only one on MS as an alt. Dust can confirm this when he posts next.

[dejkha]

Sorry, but given how you chose to withhold the information the first time by not saying that one game was on MS, I'm not gonna let it fly.

[hewitt]

Please tell me that's not all you have to say...

Pretty much all I had to say on that topic.

I wouldn't go as far as saying AA23 is scum but I remember reading the previous pages and thinking he's the scummiest, I'm at Six Flags today so if I don't explain why tonight then prompt me and I'll remember tomorrow.

Until you explain...

unvote

vote hewitt

At the time I believe he was number 1 in my mind for two reasons. The first is that he stuck out the most prominently in my mind as someone I disagreed with pretty much just based on quantity of posting which is not a good reason to suspect someone but he was the one I most remembered. The second is that I felt he pushed the case on Dust so vigorously and a little too forcedly in the first three pages in the game which I felt was too early.

Now though after reading back I don't think he was the scummiest but the one I disagreed with the most.

[Mixologist]

*facepalm*

Please tell me someone other than Percy noticed when I pointed this out earlier.

I remember you saying a while ago. However, it seemed to have slipped by the wayside a little so I thought I bring it back up =) You triggered my memory when you mentioned zwet in isolation.

Also since we have you here hewitt, what do you think of said bandwagon?

[AceMarksman]

Sorry, but given how you chose to withhold the information the first time by not saying that one game was on MS, I'm not gonna let it fly.

He told me not to say anything about it.

[Dust]

I'll acknowledge what Ace says. On a past account, there was a game where I was scum. However, I didn't stifle the RVS at all. In fact, as I recall, I was one of the random voters. My philosophy on the game has changed a bit since then, but the example Ace is citing isn't relevant.

If it means proving Ace to be lying, I will out myself.

[AshMC1984]

@Ash, Zwet put Dust at L-3, so it's that's not very dangerous, nor is it particularly close to a lynch since there's still wiggle room and it was early in the game, not to mention how it was Zwet who had the newly formed wagon when you voted him.

So he did. Whether L-2 or L-3 my points are still valid. You aked why Zwet and not Ace. L-3 is a step up from L-4. Ace had his own meta, Zwet was following Ace. If this is still a discussion of Zwet vs. Ace then Zwet is clearly scummier from that particular piece of play no?

Zwet voted because of Ace's meta on Dust, so that means they were both voting for the same reason: Ace's meta on Dust, and you only made a point of Zwet doing it. Is that not the case? That's what I see it as.

We'll have to agree to disagree if I can't convince you after this post so we don't get bogged down in semantics:

My position - Voting because of your

own

supposed meta is stronger than voting for someone else's supposed meta, especially if you can't check it and are just taking their word for it.

Also this was Zwet's first content post of the game:

Vote: dust

You start off the game by killing discussion-gleaning phase. Bad cookie!

[dejkha]

@Ace: The point is that you didn't say the one game was on MS, and now you're saying it was. That's a vital detail in your story and I don't believe it when it looks like you just found a loophole.

@Dust: I don't care if you out yourself since I already don't believe his claimed meta on you. One of your deaths may decide who should or shouldn't be trusted, so it looks like we may find out by tomorrow

@Ash: Sorry, I was mistaken on the basis of Zwets vote. I see what you mean now.

[Dust]

If I can, I'd prefer to be silent on the matter, but I'll suffice it to say that Ace has stopped simply not understanding my scum meta and started to obfuscate the actual truth behind what I did in that game as scum. While I respect him not wanting to bring it up and wouldn't vote him on just the fact that he didn't mention it originally, in that game, there was no way that I was doing anything in that game remotely similar to what I've done in this game in regard to the RVS, and that goes way beyond misrep.

That said, I have no qualms about:

Vote: Acemarksman

[hewitt]

Also since we have you here hewitt, what do you think of said bandwagon?

I don't care for/support it.

[AA23]

At the time I believe he was number 1 in my mind for two reasons. The first is that he stuck out the most prominently

in my mind as someone I disagreed with pretty much just based on quantity of posting which is not a good reason to suspect someone but he was the one I most remembered.

You admittedly suspected me for a bullshit reason and have the right to judge my case on Dust?

My case on dust was me supporting a vote on him, not a lynch - - Part of what was happening was seeing who flocked to the wagon and how things cooked up - - the game was developing, there was nothing malicious and my reasoning was sound for all my actions.

Aside from your admittedly scummy mind set for regarding other players - - do you have anything to contribute to the scumhunt? Thoughts and questions? Ideas?

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I'll acknowledge what Ace says. On a past account, there was a game where I was scum. However, I didn't stifle the RVS at all. In fact, as I recall, I was one of the random voters. My philosophy on the game has changed a bit since then, but the example Ace is citing isn't relevant.

If it means proving Ace to be lying, I will out myself.

What exactly do you have to hide?

[Percy]

Posting tomorrow!

[Dust]

@AA- It's a bit embarrassing for me. This new account was for a fresh start.

[AA23]

Okay, I can respect that

[Empking]

Vote Count

zwetschenwasser 4 - Khamisa, dejkha, AshMC1984, dejkha

Mod: Mistake?

What mistake...

[Mixologist]

I don't care for/support it.

Not what I was going for at all. Let me rephrase.

What do you think of the voters on the bandwagon?

[dejkha]

With only 5 game relevant posts, I must say, Hewitt, you're unusually quiet.

[Dust]

Can I get meta on Hewitt's posting habits?

[dejkha]

Normally he's pretty active. It should show in any previous game he's played (except Pie E7).

[zwetschenwasser]

His activity has been declining lately though, so it's pretty much a nulltell.


PS. Mixologist, if there's one thing that majorly pisses me off (ask dejkha), it's someone who generalizes someone as stupid in RL merely because of their Mafia playstyle. I don't appreciate your comment on the last page at all.

[dejkha]

His activity has been declining lately though, so it's pretty much a nulltell.

True, but know he's not even saying much in the few posts he does make. I find that a little suspicious.

PS. Mixologist, if there's one thing that majorly pisses me off (ask dejkha), it's someone who generalizes someone as stupid in RL merely because of their Mafia playstyle. I don't appreciate your comment on the last page at all.

Oh yeah, he hates that >.>

[zwetschenwasser]

*facepalm at signature*

[Mixologist]

Meh. I can see how you take it that way, but in my head I was referring to your play style itself.

Who do you think is scum, zwet?

[dejkha]

After that last one, I couldn't resist. That stuff is gold. Oh, I'm gonna add something to the second one. heh heh