Newbie 785 - Game Over

[PhilyEc]

1. It's page two, there's no particular need to be reasonable.
2. I wasn't pushing for a lynch.
3. It did deserve a vote because active lurking is to be discouraged.
4. Defending players (as opposed to attacking players for dumb votes) is scummy. You tried to explain falkomango's actions in 46. Let him speak for himself.

Votes are for scum, not for people uninterested in RVS. Gotta stop digging yourself a hole here...

[falkomagno]

yeah....just advice me when the RVS stops, and the serious voting start...

This is not simply saying he's not going to voe. This is him saying he's not going to participate until "the serious voting start."

But I didn't stop my activity here.

And when I was talking about to put some pressure, I just wanted to see you reaction...so, according with your behaviour, I think that those attacks that you've done, and that lack of arguments defending it it's enough to gain my vote

vote qwints

[PhilyEc]

yeah....just advice me when the RVS stops, and the serious voting start...

This is not simply saying he's not going to voe. This is him saying he's not going to participate until "the serious voting start."

But I didn't stop my activity here.

And when I was talking about to put some pressure, I just wanted to see you reaction...so, according with your behaviour, I think that those attacks that you've done, and that lack of arguments defending it it's enough to gain my vote

vote qwints

Could you explain your case for why Qwints is scum more clearly please?

[The Corporation]

There is something inconsistent about PhilyEc's stance here... In post 28 he defends lurking and lack of activity at this point in the game...

Qwints is number one on my list at the moment, hes voting for poor reason so far. Vote Qwints

Players dont avoid RVS cause they dont want to reveal scummy intentions, they avoid RVS cause though its dumb, they also find it irritating.

But then in post 35, after all we know is that 88 is a neo-nazi symbol he says

Also [bumpbumpbump] more activity plz, I wanna find scum.

It seems a little odd that you would go so far as to beg for discussion, while excusing falkomango's participation in it on his behalf. Would you like to clarify?

[PhilyEc]

There is something inconsistent about PhilyEc's stance here... In post 28 he

defends lurking and lack of activity at this point in the game

...

Qwints is number one on my list at the moment, hes voting for poor reason so far. Vote Qwints

Players dont avoid RVS cause they dont want to reveal scummy intentions, they avoid RVS cause though its dumb, they also find it irritating.

But then in post 35, after all we know is that 88 is a neo-nazi symbol he says

Also [bumpbumpbump] more activity plz, I wanna find scum.

It seems a little odd that you would

go so far as to beg for discussion

, while excusing falkomango's participation in it on his behalf. Would you like to clarify?

Are you dumb or something? Theres no contrast here at all, someone not putting down a random vote

doesnt equal lurking

. Who the hell encourages lurking to begin with? sorry mate but fail. I was bumpbumpbump-ing because I'm seeing too many of the same people talking and didnt want this to develop into a game where players become spectators.

Sorry for being rude but just because qwints said not taking part in the RVS makes someone a lurker doesnt mean its true. falkomagno can still talk and participate, building cases and asking questions, there just won't be any meaningless votes from him.

Post1= Phily defending someone who is being persecuted for not doing a random vote.
Post2= Phily asking more people to participate.

You'll never see me "

defend lurking and lack of activity at this point in the game

" OR BEG for activity. IGMEOY Mr. Exaggeration.

[GadgetArcrep]

PLEASE EXCUSE LACK OF POSTING, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF THE GAME, I HAVE SCHOOL

To Be honest, I do believe that there is a lack of activity by some people here, and I Agree with Phily on this becoming a big a-- argument between just a few people (Censored for sanity's sake, I sometimes swear in other sites forum games, I'll refran here) and the rest of the spectators pinging them off like snipers.

[The Corporation]

Are you dumb or something? Theres no contrast here at all, someone not putting down a random vote

doesnt equal lurking

. Who the hell encourages lurking to begin with? sorry mate but fail. I was bumpbumpbump-ing because I'm seeing too many of the same people talking and didnt want this to develop into a game where players become spectators.

Sorry for being rude but just because qwints said not taking part in the RVS makes someone a lurker doesnt mean its true. falkomagno can still talk and participate, building cases and asking questions, there just won't be any meaningless votes from him.

Post1= Phily defending someone who is being persecuted for not doing a random vote.
Post2= Phily asking more people to participate.

You'll never see me "

defend lurking and lack of activity at this point in the game

" OR BEG for activity. IGMEOY Mr. Exaggeration.

I can only come up with two reasons for so much aggression. One, it seems to be a pretty popular strategy to get through the first day. Or two, it comes from the frustration that the Irish haven't beaten the All Blacks in 100+ years of competition. I'll take a little of each...

Anyway... I'm confused when you say you are:

Phily defending someone who is being persecuted for not doing a random vote.

when in post 11

HE MADE SUCH A VOTE

with:

OMGUS....but I have to

vote The Corporation

....it's not FalkoMANGO...it's Falkomagno...from magnus...

On me of all people! The nerve. Therefore I took his post of...

yeah....just advice me when the RVS stops, and the serious voting start...

to mean that he had cast his "random" vote, and was only going to jump back into discussion when he felt the "serious" voting would start. That post could perhaps be a genuine request from a newbie player - but if you know enough to cast a random vote unprompted and know the acronyms OMGUS & RVS you are hardly

that

type of newbie.

Falkomango can you please weigh in and actually clarify what he meant in that message as clearly one or both of us is a little confused...

Regardless it does appear you have been suspiciously defensive of him. Have you played with him the past or something? I highly doubt you are mafia together as going this hard together on qwints would be so obvious. On the contrary I'd like to tighten the screw just a little more on qwints - he layed a "serious" vote on falkomagno in post 21 but has done sweet FA to spell it out!

[Giskard]

Are you dumb or something . . .

This lashing seems like a bit of an unreasonable response to what seemed like a reasonable question.

Post1= Phily defending someone who is being persecuted for not doing a random vote..

Why go so far out of your way to defend falkomagno at all? If his actions are as innocent as you keep telling us then it shouldn't be too much of a big deal for him to defend himself. I hope I'm not out of line by saying this but, it appears that English may not be falkomagno's first language. Is there a specific reason why you are trying to make up for that fact by talking for him?

[GadgetArcrep]

ITs probably a bit out of line for an accusation such as that, but what you are saying could be true. Phily could be some kind of translator for him, but the tone is more defense. Straight off the bat he he defended him, like he knew something about him, maybe a friend or relative in real life, maybe he felt that he might not be ready for a full strengh accusation, or maybe, just maybe, he's trying to convince us that he "Isnt" him, the inverted quotes to emphasise reverse psychology.

Quite simply, He is making us think that he FM IS a Scum by defending him like he is in cahoots with him, to make him a false suspect.

I believe that FM is the innocent and Phily is the scum, trying to throw the scent using that tactic.

I Retract my vote untill Further notice and I Place My Finger on PhilyEC

Unvote properly please

[GadgetArcrep]

I would say that the serious voting seems to be starting now, as we are beginning to follow leads.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Official Vote Count

Toledo88 - 1 (Giskard)
falkomagno - 1 (qwints)
The Corporation - 1 (Toledo88)
Cornellius Alfredo - 1 (The Corporation)

qwints - 3 (GadgetArcrep, PhilyEc, falkomagno)

Not Voting - 2 (Cornellius Alfredo, Shotty to the Body)

5 to Lynch.

Deadline

is the end of Saturday, May 30th (Eastern, GMT - 4).

[GadgetArcrep]

Are you dumb or something? Theres no contrast here at all, someone not putting down a random vote

doesnt equal lurking

. Who the hell encourages lurking to begin with? sorry mate but fail. I was bumpbumpbump-ing because I'm seeing too many of the same people talking and didnt want this to develop into a game where players become spectators.

Sorry for being rude but just because qwints said not taking part in the RVS makes someone a lurker doesnt mean its true. falkomagno can still talk and participate, building cases and asking questions, there just won't be any meaningless votes from him.

Post1= Phily defending someone who is being persecuted for not doing a random vote.
Post2= Phily asking more people to participate.

You'll never see me "

defend lurking and lack of activity at this point in the game

" OR BEG for activity. IGMEOY Mr. Exaggeration.

I can only come up with two reasons for so much aggression. One, it seems to be a pretty popular strategy to get through the first day. Or two, it comes from the frustration that the Irish haven't beaten the All Blacks in 100+ years of competition. I'll take a little of each...

Anyway... I'm confused when you say you are:

Phily defending someone who is being persecuted for not doing a random vote.

when in post 11

HE MADE SUCH A VOTE

with:

OMGUS....but I have to

vote The Corporation

....it's not FalkoMANGO...it's Falkomagno...from magnus...

On me of all people! The nerve. Therefore I took his post of...

yeah....just advice me when the RVS stops, and the serious voting start...

to mean that he had cast his "random" vote, and was only going to jump back into discussion when he felt the "serious" voting would start. That post could perhaps be a genuine request from a newbie player - but if you know enough to cast a random vote unprompted and know the acronyms OMGUS & RVS you are hardly

that

type of newbie.

Falkomango can you please weigh in and actually clarify what he meant in that message as clearly one or both of us is a little confused...

Regardless it does appear you have been suspiciously defensive of him. Have you played with him the past or something? I highly doubt you are mafia together as going this hard together on qwints would be so obvious. On the contrary I'd like to tighten the screw just a little more on qwints - he layed a "serious" vote on falkomagno in post 21 but has done sweet FA to spell it out!

You're the most probing of the lot of us, Corp, however you seem to end all your statements with another question, rather than an opinion for yourself.

Saving it up for a Definitive report, or just hesitant?

If you do have such a report ready in the near future, Please, I would love to hear it, could be the nail in the coffin for someone.

But this could just be near the end of the month anyways, or near lynch, as a finishing move. Its early Days yet, anyways.[/ooc]

[PhilyEc]

Are you dumb or something . . .

This lashing seems like a bit of an unreasonable response to what seemed like a reasonable question.

Post1= Phily defending someone who is being persecuted for not doing a random vote..

Why go so far out of your way to defend falkomagno at all? If his actions are as innocent as you keep telling us then it shouldn't be too much of a big deal for him to defend himself. I hope I'm not out of line by saying this but, it appears that English may not be falkomagno's first language. Is there a specific reason why you are trying to make up for that fact by talking for him?

I defend those I feel are in the right and go down on those in the wrong. Try meta-ing me if you're bothered to but this is my gamestyle, fight the power~ And yeah, I was aggresive, what corporation said was ridiculous, to such an extreme that I had to call him dumb.

Did apologise by the way >_> Not retracting it though, that was one dumbass look on what lurking is and telling me I endorse lurking? Nah.

[PhilyEc]

Are you dumb or something? Theres no contrast here at all, someone not putting down a random vote

doesnt equal lurking

. Who the hell encourages lurking to begin with? sorry mate but fail. I was bumpbumpbump-ing because I'm seeing too many of the same people talking and didnt want this to develop into a game where players become spectators.

Sorry for being rude but just because qwints said not taking part in the RVS makes someone a lurker doesnt mean its true. falkomagno can still talk and participate, building cases and asking questions, there just won't be any meaningless votes from him.

Post1= Phily defending someone who is being persecuted for not doing a random vote.
Post2= Phily asking more people to participate.

You'll never see me "

defend lurking and lack of activity at this point in the game

" OR BEG for activity. IGMEOY Mr. Exaggeration.

I can only come up with two reasons for so much aggression. One, it seems to be a pretty popular strategy to get through the first day. Or two, it comes from the frustration that the Irish haven't beaten the All Blacks in 100+ years of competition. I'll take a little of each...

Twas pretty tired now that I think back but your post was dumb, telling me I endorse lurking is an insult in my opinion thus I'll break out all the guns to make sure you understand I dont think lurking is a good idea nor should it occur.

Anyway... I'm confused when you say you are:

Phily defending someone who is being persecuted for not doing a random vote.

when in post 11

HE MADE SUCH A VOTE

with:

OMGUS....but I have to

vote The Corporation

....it's not FalkoMANGO...it's Falkomagno...from magnus...

Sorry are you trying to say I should defend you too because you're being voted for not doing a random vote? There doesnt seem to be a similarity between the attack on magno (not making a random vote) and his joke vote on you for fucking up on his name.

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I'll go onto the second half later today, friends over at the moment.

[falkomagno]

Responding post 56.

It's true that I was involved in the RVS, when I vote for The Corporation. Then, qwert vote for me because an unclear reason about OMGUS. So, I ask for a call when the serious vote stage starts, so, we can differentiate true arguments and fake or joke arguments. When qwert says that he was serious, well, How do you understand that?.

And That leads me to Responding post 52

I think that the responses given by qwerts are just creating confusion, and that only serves to scumm. Why do you say that you are serious, as a joke??. It's like voting for himself. Then, he makes weak assumptions, as said that I'm going to stop posting until the real stages starts, when I just ask WHEN starts. I'm not aganist RVS, since that can be fun and stuff, I'm against obscure argumentation, and attemp of create confussion

[Shotty to the Body]

Assuming Phily is scum (not saying for sure he is, just speculating) then I would have to presume one of the people not posting as much to be his scum friend. I think Gadget makes a good point in 58 as well to that end.

Mod can we get a prod on Cornellius?

Nope. Everyone has posted within the last 48 hours.

[PhilyEc]

Assuming Phily is scum (not saying for sure he is, just speculating) then I would have to presume one of the people not posting as much to be his scum friend. I think Gadget makes a good point in 58 as well to that end.

Mod can we get a prod on Cornellius?

And why are you assuming I'm scum? Because I don't agree with qwints? Who does agree with him?

[PhilyEc]

ITs probably a bit out of line for an accusation such as that, but what you are saying could be true. Phily could be some kind of translator for him, but the tone is more defense.

Again, check my metas since you want to think this. I defend players ALOT. If someones talking bullcrap about another, I won't let it sink into the realm of facts. I'll kill it there and then.

Straight off the bat he he defended him, like he knew something about him, maybe a friend or relative in real life, maybe he felt that he might not be ready for a full strengh accusation, or maybe, just maybe, he's trying to convince us that he "Isnt" him, the inverted quotes to emphasise reverse psychology.

Dude...going way too into this now. This has nothing to do with what role he has. Qwints wrongly accused him of something he never said, what if qwints throws on a case and town bite over this? No thank you.

Quite simply, He is making us think that he FM IS a Scum by defending him like he is in cahoots with him, to make him a false suspect.

If this weren't a newbie game I'd be facepalming so much right now... Im making him look like scum by defending him against someone trying to make him look like scum? Please...

I believe that FM is the innocent and Phily is the scum, trying to throw the scent using that tactic.

You dont strike me as the type with a poor scumdar, I'm seeing you as rather suspicious for stepping into this and making such a normal act (well normal PhilyEc-wise) turn him into scum.

I Retract my vote untill Further notice and I Place My Finger on PhilyEC

[breaks finger]

[qwints]

Unvote

[IC Hat]
The form above is the only way to unvote. Mods like the standardized format because it makes it easier for vote counts and the like. Gadget, your vote will stay on me until you write "unvote" in bold. It also helps to place that vote at the start of a line or in a separate line.
[/IC Hat]

Given the fact that falkomango has continued to participate, he no longer deserves my vote. I stand by the fact that his post 20 sounded like he was going to sit out until random voting was over, not that he wasn't going to vote randomly. His actions, however, belie my interpretation.

That brings me to PhilyEC. In response to my explanation for my vote in post 45, he posted

but you don't get to say "I'm going to sit out of the game until we find actual suspects." That's basically announcing your intention to actively lurk and it made me say that my vote was now serious

He just said he wasn't going to make a random vote. He can still participate if he finds something scummy. Its up to town to agree or disagree so I dont see where you're going with this one.

Note that he explains falko's post for him. He's giving an excuse for falko's scummy sounding post instead of letting falko do so. That's scummy for two possible reasons:
1) Buddying - he's defending a player he knows is town to ingratiate himself
2) Helping - he's telling his scum buddy how to defend himself.

Furthermore, besides these two possible scummy motivations, defending players in htat manner is anti-town. One of the best ways to figure out players is to examine how they explain themselves when pressured. Providing a response for someone else robs the town of information.

Later, in post 50, Phily returns to a blatant misrepresentation:

1. It's page two, there's no particular need to be reasonable.
2. I wasn't pushing for a lynch.
3. It did deserve a vote because active lurking is to be discouraged.
4. Defending players (as opposed to attacking players for dumb votes) is scummy. You tried to explain falkomango's actions in 46. Let him speak for himself.

Votes are for scum, not for people uninterested in RVS. Gotta stop digging yourself a hole here...

I said I was voting to discourage active lurking. I never said not liking the RVS was scummy. Note that Phily_EC had explicitly responded to the reason for my vote in post 45. His misrepresentation in this post must, therefore, be intentional.

Lastly, the fact that Phily has already appealed to a meta-defense twice on page 3 of a newbie is suspicious. Especially because he's not using it to explain his tone but rather his anti-town behavior of defending people.

tl;dr (too long didn't read summary)
Because
1. PhilyEC has misrepresented me
2. PhilyEC has needlessly defended someone else
3. PhilyEC has appealed to meta-defense early and often

Vote: Phily_EC

P.S. Interesting choice of words here:

I ... go down on those in the wrong.

[PhilyEc]

Note that he explains falko's post for him. He's giving an excuse for falko's scummy sounding post instead of letting falko do so. That's scummy for two possible reasons:
1) Buddying - he's defending a player he knows is town to ingratiate himself
2) Helping - he's telling his scum buddy how to defend himself.

Whys everyone saying this? Those two options are very closed. Consider the fact that you said something to him that misrepped his post, I saw this and corrected you. I don't know his role and the fact that you close options into ones that only make me scum is incredibly one sided, care to explain why you cant explain what else I could've been thinking? Thank into account my eagerness to post alot.

Furthermore, besides these two possible scummy motivations, defending players in htat manner is anti-town. One of the best ways to figure out players is to examine how they explain themselves when pressured. Providing a response for someone else robs the town of information.

Agreed. I should've let things develop for material's sake but it just seemed unfair that you got his post so wrong and made it fact, I was wrong for interveening though.

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The rest of your post dwelves back onto the fact that you think I'm scum for correcting your allegations. How close am I to being lynched btw? I've suddenly been jumped on by about three people.

[PhilyEc]

And lol, no I dont go down in the slut type way >_>

Though I am amazing at it.....

[qwints]

Phily, it's not up to me to explain the possible townie reasons for your behavior. That's called "defending." Your defense seems to be that you're just highly active. That's possible, but you could simply have attacked me for misrepresentation and said "I think I know what what falko meant but I'll let him explain it."

You're also pretty paranoid about being lynched when you have 1 vote on you. I don't what that means about your scumminess, but calm down. We would need to have a very, very good reason to seriously try and lynch someone before page 10.

[Toledo25]

Sorry peoples, school has kept me busy, and I probably have to read a bit whenever I come on

First off,

unvote

, since it was a random vote.

Given the fact that falkomango has continued to participate, he no longer deserves my vote.

What? So if someone posts alot, they have a less chance of being scum?

I stand by the fact that his post 20 sounded like he was going to sit out until random voting was over, not that he wasn't going to vote randomly.

Are you saying this makes him look more towny or scummy? I think scum, but...

Lastly, the fact that Phily has already appealed to a meta-defense twice on page 3 of a newbie is suspicious.

I'd like to point out something from Corporation:

Regardless it does appear you have been suspiciously defensive of him.

Have you played with him the past or something?

This came from post 56. Philly used meta-defense on 62 and 67, both after Corp (I'm going to say Corp now since I always have to spell check "Corporation") asked him.



This question is directed at Falkomagno (or Phily, if you deem it necessary):

yeah....just advice me when the RVS stops, and the serious voting start...

I think it's safe to assume that you disapprove of the RVS. What are your reasons behind this? It's a good way to get discussion started. If you sit out of the RVS, I take it that you are sitting out of the game.

[Toledo25]

And lol, no I dont go down in the slut type way >_>

Though I am amazing at it.....

Phily, can you please not use small text? I have to open up word and increase the font size whenever someone does that

[PhilyEc]

Phily, it's not up to me to explain the possible townie reasons for your behavior. That's called "defending." Your defense seems to be that you're just highly active. That's possible, but you could simply have attacked me for misrepresentation and said "I think I know what what falko meant but I'll let him explain it."

Yup, I admit I screwed up there, quick kicking ze dead horse.

You're also pretty paranoid about being lynched when you have 1 vote on you. I don't what that means about your scumminess, but calm down. We would need to have a very, very good reason to seriously try and lynch someone before page 10.

Playing another game with FMagno in it gets confusing, but at the moment I'm being questioned by 3-4 people at the same time. I saw this happen bout a week ago and it turned out the cop got lynched. (FYI, their reason was SHIT. He simply got too much attention) Thus I'm kinda apprehensive of this turning into a witchhunt on Phily (has happened before for some pretty lame reasons ¬¬)