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Post Post #1950 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:39 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:
Nuwen wrote:We also get your pretty wagon to analyze. I'm not going to continue speculating where scum votes on MafiaSSK might lie, lest I create a nasty WIFOM situation that'll be useless for real scumhunting later on.
Whenever a wagon forms on a scum, their buddies have a choice between what I think of as "positional advantage" and "material advantage". The other scum can defend or stay off the wagon, thus increasing the chance that their buddy survives (preserving material advantage) in return for looking scummier (losing positional advantage); or they can bus their buddy, making him easier to lynch (losing material advantage) but making themselves look more town (gaining positional advantage). A simple result from elementary game theory says that in situations like that, the town's best play is to make that decision as close as possible for the scum.

A similar effect happens with town wagons, except there the scum choose which sort of advantage to gain, rather than which sort to lose.
you left out option three - they can present an alternate wagon and push that hard enough to steal votes from the wagon on their buddy. and thus i present this bullshit mafiassk wagon, which has singlehandedly resulted in neither image or nuwen being anywhere near a lynch. grats on almost getting away with it xyl, but i'm back now.

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Post Post #1951 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:40 am

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we are not lynching mafiassk because being a piss poor player and a piss poor sport does not make him scum, and none of the arguments for why he is scum are anything more than "lol look at how badly he's playing his role"
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Post Post #1952 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:42 am

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roflcopter wrote:we are not lynching mafiassk because being a piss poor player and a piss poor sport does not make him scum, and none of the arguments for why he is scum are anything more than "lol look at how badly he's playing his role"
Wait when was I being a bad sport?
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Post Post #1953 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:46 am

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MafiaSSK wrote:
roflcopter wrote:we are not lynching mafiassk because being a piss poor player and a piss poor sport does not make him scum, and none of the arguments for why he is scum are anything more than "lol look at how badly he's playing his role"
Wait when was I being a bad sport?
So you don't deny being a piss poor player?
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Post Post #1954 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:46 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:
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roflcopter wrote:we are not lynching mafiassk because being a piss poor player and a piss poor sport does not make him scum, and none of the arguments for why he is scum are anything more than "lol look at how badly he's playing his role"
Wait when was I being a bad sport?
So you don't deny being a piss poor player?
I do not deny this.
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Post Post #1955 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:47 am

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you're a piss poor sport for joining LYNCH ALL MOTHERFUCKING LURKERS MAFIA when you are well known as and self identify as a serial lurker
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Post Post #1956 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:48 am

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roflcopter: You're forgetting the part about faking a PR to justify his lurking
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Post Post #1957 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:49 am

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Roflcopter wrote:i will not bother trying to convince you to lynch your scumpartners xyl, i am perfectly aware you refuse to bus
And this is why people like DGB get irritated when (supposedly) playing town with Rofl. And I still don't have a bloody read on him.

I do know that once upon a time Rofl supported an SSK lynch as "necessary,"
roflcopter wrote:yeah so steph is absolutely town, and ssk may at some point be a necessary lynch. i guess today is an ok day for that.
And then switched over and hasn't considered an SSK lynch since.
roflcopter wrote:i do not think mafiassk is a legitimate lynch option today. daymason claim is for real, we should be looking at other people.

malyss is a legit wagon, i do understand the reasons for it, but i'm going to stay on dgb unless it becomes absolutely apparent that the only way to get a lynch today is for me to switch.
Xyl's cult suggestion made me a little paranoid, so I'm looking for 180 shifts that could indicate recruitment. Both of these posts occurred during phase 2 of day 1, however, making day recruitment necessary (or utterly nonexistent).

Is Rofl really trying to use the "too sucky to be scum" defense for MafiaSSK? Yes, he's playing poorly. But he's playing poorly for a player of any alignment, so that's irrelevant. The rest of his behavior has been remarkably anti-town and we can't even get him to post up a scum list.

One more time SSK - besides Xyl and Elvis, who do you think is scum? Who do you think could be town? What was the deal with the PR?
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Post Post #1958 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:52 am

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roflcopter wrote:you're a piss poor sport for joining LYNCH ALL MOTHERFUCKING LURKERS MAFIA when you are well known as and self identify as a serial lurker
I was using this as an attempt to become more active.
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Post Post #1959 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:52 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:roflcopter: You're forgetting the part about faking a PR to justify his lurking
If I was faking a PR, I would not be doing it to justify lurking
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Post Post #1960 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:54 am

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@Nuwen: Fine, you want a scum/town list I'll give it to you in my next post.
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Post Post #1961 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 10:54 am

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Nuwen: To be honest MafiaSSK's assertion that he would recruit me first rings of truth.

A few people seem to be dominating the conversation unhealthily here, I think I'll try being a follower for a while and see where I'm led. :D

Right now I think both Nuwen and roflcopter are town.

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Post Post #1962 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 11:01 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:Nuwen: To be honest MafiaSSK's assertion that he would recruit me first rings of truth.
I think the ego tickling might make you more inclined to believe him (who wouldn't want to think that he or she would make a good addition to an elite scumhunting crew?).

And yeah, now might be a good time to let people catch up. I might go outside or something crazy. I still want to see scumlists from just about everyone, and I eagerly await MafiaSSK's especially. Steph's commentary would be much appreciated.

Also, nightkills. I realize that Zorblag was an overtly town player, but Spyrex and his predecessor were not. I've been wondering why his death took precedence over three supposed claims (Tajo + masons).
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Post Post #1963 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 11:07 am

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Nuwen: It's more that he's been a regular on #mafia, and I used to have a 100% cult win record there until people caught on that I was always the first person recruited.
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Post Post #1964 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 11:09 am

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if tajo is telling the truth then it's because the mafia can perpetually roleblock him. As for the masons, they're unconfirmed and MafiaSSK has almost been lynched (and the masonhood hasn't served any purpose so far), they would be highly sub-optimal targets for night-kills.

MafiaSSK: in addition to answering all the other questions asked of you, could you tell me why you faked the PR? Also if you don't feel capable of building a "case" on anyone could you at least describe in your own words
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Post Post #1965 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 11:15 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:Nuwen: To be honest MafiaSSK's assertion that he would recruit me first rings of truth.

A few people seem to be dominating the conversation unhealthily here, I think I'll try being a follower for a while and see where I'm led. :D

Right now I think both Nuwen and roflcopter are town.

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Post Post #1966 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 11:17 am

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and actually nuwen, spy was really obviously town from the minute he replaced

scumlist -

image
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elvis has been and remains the most obviously town person in the game. this is a warning to any scumbags (nuwen) who are trying to lynch her, you will not do so as long as i remain alive.
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Post Post #1967 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 11:17 am

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roflcopter wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Nuwen: To be honest MafiaSSK's assertion that he would recruit me first rings of truth.

A few people seem to be dominating the conversation unhealthily here, I think I'll try being a follower for a while and see where I'm led. :D

Right now I think both Nuwen and roflcopter are town.

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Post Post #1968 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 11:28 am

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Nuwen
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TOWN
Has made strong cases. Aggressive.
Xylthixlm
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NEUTRAL/No read
Again makes strong cases. Leads town (possible scum tell of Xyl). Is also aggressive.
Image
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TOWN
Has strong view points. Tested my PR multiple times. Makes cases.
Roflcopter
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PROBABLY TOWN
Attacks people. Short posts. Probably town not sure.
Empking
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PROBABLY SCUM
Posts less often than say Image. Short posts. Attacks with little reason.
Mastin/Antihero
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NO CLUE
Mastin has provided no scumhunting. Antihero scumhunted on little reason. But sitll don't have a read.
Elvis_Knits
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TOWN
Makes cases with good reasons.
Q21/Kinetic
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SCUM
Q unvoted tajo because it didn't gain any more votes and then shortly after joined a Malyss bandwagon with one reason that was not unique. Kinetic then replaced him has not posted any content and has not posted in 63 hours. He should have posted something else in the middle of his "move".
IGMEOY Kinetic

Steph
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TOWN
Attacks efficently. Might be a bit quick on the vote. Seems like he's confused
Poptajo
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SCUM
Most of his posts seem like IIOA. (Sorry for the use of a wiki-tell)
Ortolan
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POSSIBLY TOWN
Has a perfect balance of attacking and responding to posts.
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Post Post #1969 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 11:51 am

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Posting again, avoiding that 72 hour thing, reading right now on this game, should be caught up-ish soon.
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Post Post #1970 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 12:37 pm

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Day 3, Block 1, Votecount 6 wrote:3 MafiaSSK (ortolan, Empking, populartajo)
3 image (roflcopter, Stephoscope, Xylthixlm)
2 elvis_knits (image, Nuwen)
1 Nuwen (elvis_knits)

3 Not Voting(MafiaSSK, Mastin, Kinetic)

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Post Post #1971 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 2:06 pm

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Post Post #1972 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 2:15 pm

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MafiaSSK wrote:
Nuwen
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TOWN
Has made strong cases. Aggressive.
Xylthixlm
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NEUTRAL/No read
Again makes strong cases. Leads town (possible scum tell of Xyl). Is also aggressive.
Image
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TOWN
Has strong view points. Tested my PR multiple times. Makes cases.
Roflcopter
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PROBABLY TOWN
Attacks people. Short posts. Probably town not sure.
Empking
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PROBABLY SCUM
Posts less often than say Image. Short posts. Attacks with little reason.
Mastin/Antihero
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NO CLUE
Mastin has provided no scumhunting. Antihero scumhunted on little reason. But sitll don't have a read.
Elvis_Knits
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TOWN
Makes cases with good reasons.
Q21/Kinetic
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SCUM
Q unvoted tajo because it didn't gain any more votes and then shortly after joined a Malyss bandwagon with one reason that was not unique. Kinetic then replaced him has not posted any content and has not posted in 63 hours. He should have posted something else in the middle of his "move".
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Steph
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TOWN
Attacks efficently. Might be a bit quick on the vote. Seems like he's confused
Poptajo
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SCUM
Most of his posts seem like IIOA. (Sorry for the use of a wiki-tell)
Ortolan
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POSSIBLY TOWN
Has a perfect balance of attacking and responding to posts.
What in my posts seem like IIOA?
And what changed your mind about Elvis and Xyl?
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Post Post #1973 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 2:16 pm

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Xylthixlm wrote:
roflcopter wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Nuwen: To be honest MafiaSSK's assertion that he would recruit me first rings of truth.

A few people seem to be dominating the conversation unhealthily here, I think I'll try being a follower for a while and see where I'm led. :D

Right now I think both Nuwen and roflcopter are town.

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you again.

This Xyl feels off. Really off. Xyl is not a follower. Why am I the only one noticing this?
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Post Post #1974 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2009 2:23 pm

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roflcopter wrote:we are not lynching mafiassk because being a piss poor player and a piss poor sport does not make him scum, and none of the arguments for why he is scum are anything more than "lol look at how badly he's playing his role"
I really dont want any of SSK or Emp making it to endgame. I really dont. If they are town, scum are prob never going to kill them and going to use them to win the game.

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