The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Xtoxm]

/confirm

[Xtoxm]

AJ will turn up. Eventually. He does this often.

[Xtoxm]

Take Decanter

[Xtoxm]

Well, I got nothing. (No PM or anything)

Could be role related, or just random bastard modding. Doesn't really matter, I don't think.

At a guess, it's alcohol, and will lose you your vote today. I think that's the most plausible.

[Xtoxm]

I'll happily drink it.

[Xtoxm]

If there's a big red button with a sign saying "DO NOT PRESS", do you press it?

I most certainly do.

[Xtoxm]

hohum and logic are mutually exclusive.

[Xtoxm]

Someone has to drink it. I don't care who. Seriously. Not using all the items, at least this early, is a waste.

[Xtoxm]

No. There's a chance it can help scum, but not confirm them. Unless town percieves something in a poor way, which isn't scum being confirmed, merely town playing badly.

Letting the items go to waste is silly. These items will have been factored into the balancing of this game, and ultimately, we can be pretty certain that if we didn't have these items, town are at a disadvantage. This is game is designed for items to be used.

Like I said, I suspect this item will be detrimental to the player regardless of their alignment. The mod said we are meant to think in this game. I don't know anything much about Chzo, but alcohol is a reasonable guess. Alcohol could, like I said, lose someone their vote today, or maybe count as roleblock tonight. I seriously doubt it would kill someone. I can't think of how drinking a liquid like that would be much of a good thing for anyone who drank it. Unless Chzo is one of those games with revival potions and the like. But whatever it is, we won't find out unless we use it. It's day one. I don't see what you could possibly be worried about.

[Xtoxm]

I personally think we should take volunteers and if more than one person is willing to drink it, then random.org it. The scum probably don't know any more than the town what each item is or what its effects will be, so I think willingness to drink will be a null tell. I also don't think we'll be able to guess what any item does before we use it. Whether or not the item confers some power, I don't think that will be a guarantee of townieness or scumminess. After all, a scum can develop cop-sight and a townie can develop the ability to kill.

On the contrary, I suspect we are meant to speculate, and it will have an effect. I don't think speculation will be any kind of sucessful in some cases, by design, but i'm sure the mod wants us to draw some conclusions about these things.

[Xtoxm]

If the items had a nuetral effect on balance there is no point in including them.

In designing this setup, KoC will have considered every items effect carefully. Sure, they'll some items that are useless. But essentially, these items are weapons in the towns controls, much like the town's lynch.

And for that comment, Lamont can be my pick too.

[Xtoxm]

Vote Naomi

285 looks very much like newb-scum to me.

[Xtoxm]

/agree

[Xtoxm]

Pyro: Diceroll function IS random, it cannot be mainpulated. If it has been fixed, it says so.

[Xtoxm]

Code: Select all

[dice]1d19[/dice]

[Xtoxm]

There is a thread specifically for dice testing...And yes you can trust the dice not to be fixed.

[Xtoxm]

Let us say hohum is scum as a hypothetical. The dice roll hits one of his scumbuddies. He will not announce this. He will keep rolling until it hits a villager.

What part of "Can't be fixed" can you not comprehend?

[Xtoxm]

I cannot comprehend why any pro-town role would not want this item used.

[Xtoxm]

Thankyou for bringing some rationality to the game, AJ.

If it is random or nothing, which it does appear to be, we have a larger chance of hitting town. I am now convinced that it has a negative effect.

Do you support no lynching on D1? This is THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT. Jesus.

[Xtoxm]

Amished is probably scum. I've seen him as town, and I don't see him acting like this as town. He's a good player, and it's obvious wasting items will be to the town's detriment. Only scum want items going to waste.

Picking someone/having a volunteer would be better, but a random is fine. We need to find out what it's going to do. This is the FIRST ITEM, on DAY ONE.

[Xtoxm]

I have explained why town should be using it. I do not intend to repeat myself.

[Xtoxm]

Well obviously we don't

need

them to win, that's not the point. They will improve our chances of winning.

[Xtoxm]

There would be no point in including them if they had an overall nuetral or negative effect for the ones who control them.

7. Any items found during the day must be used BEFORE the lynch on that day. Items given/found during the night can be used at the player's discretion.

This means that there are going to be items going around at night. Not using day items is not going to prevent scum obtaining items. Day items are very much comparable to a lynch. They are weapons in the hands of the town, and are public knowledge. The mod has said this game requires more thought than usual game, items are clearly either one of these things, or the things he refers to. We are meant to figure what we think the item is going to do and use it accordingly. We are not going to get any infomation about these items, which are clearly a major part of this game given the fact the mod included it in the rules, and the way he worded it, if we let the first item go unused. The is the earliest stage of the game, no matter what it is, it will have the least long term impact than at any other stage of the game. This is the part where we want to figure out what items do, what to expect from them, and whether we should use the items that appear further down the line at more critical stages of the game.

[Xtoxm]

I agree. Either someone we think is scum or a volunteer. The downside to random is the possible negative effect, such as roleblocking a town power. Random > Not using, though, is my opinion as I have made clear.

Ofcourse, there's the possibility it's not detrimental. There's only one way to find out.

I would say volunteer is the best.

[Xtoxm]

Yes, that sounds fine.

However we may not want to lynch the person who drinks it, depending on what happens. I would imagine the mod will make it obvious what happens.

[Xtoxm]

Well, we still wouldn't know for sure. It could backfire and kill the user or something. We aren't going to

know

for certain what an item does, until we use it.

[Xtoxm]

Well, the mod wants us to use our brains in this game.

"A loaded gun has appeared"

Sounds a bit obvious, so it wouldn't suprise me.

[Xtoxm]

Yeh it is, I was just making a point.

[Xtoxm]

So far according to my memory there have only been two people that advocated d1-no-lynch as go poof:

Xtoxm & Sironi

I don't think there is a 3rd person...

And btw what do you think about random assignment vs. town-wide voting?

Would you accept a two-phase voting where the two top town chosen people are identified and then everyone votes on A or B?

What the hell?? I never advocated a D1 No Lynch, and wouldn't.

[Xtoxm]

SNIP

[Xtoxm]

What, and in the same way quoting from completed games isn't allowed? ...But, that is allowed.

I don't see why I wouldn't be allowed to quote from somewhere that isn't an ongoing game.

[Xtoxm]

It wasn't from a game. I don't want to talk about it at risk of getting modkilled. It wasn't very important anyway, just something I noticed and thought was worth mentioning.

[Xtoxm]

I don't even know what exactly his rule son this are, I thought what I did would have been fine. I have no idea why it wasn't tbh. But i'm not going to say any more on the matter. Like I said, it wasn't very important.

[Xtoxm]

See, this backs up what I said.

hohum acted selfishly, because he didn't want to risk giving someone else the possibility of some power.

We correctly predicted, for the most part, that it was likely something bad. Though I did think it would be quite that bad. If the voting plan had gone through, we'd have essentially got a second lynch out of today.

The mod wants us to

use our brains

, and figure this shit out, not just completely fuck with us.

[Xtoxm]

EBWOP:

See, this backs up what I said.

hohum acted selfishly, because he didn't want to risk giving someone else the possibility of some power.

We correctly predicted, for the most part, that it was likely something bad. Though I

didn't

think it would be quite that bad. If the voting plan had gone through, we'd have essentially got a second lynch out of today.

The mod wants us to

use our brains

, and figure this shit out, not just completely fuck with us.

[Xtoxm]

Lamont, have you been told about anything you can do with it?

[Xtoxm]

Can you not even give it away/give it to someone else?

Ask the mod all the actions you can do with it?

[Xtoxm]

Right. That means we can't control this item, so we should just wait it out and see what happens. This is probably one of the dud's I was talking about.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 59#1673059

[Xtoxm]

It makes sense that the first item is good, and the second bad.

(I maintain the decanter was a good item. If used correctly, it was a second lynch for the town.)

[Xtoxm]

Well it's not exactly a case as such, she simply looked like newbie scum to me, and clearly I was not the only one to hold this opinion. I did not make a case against her, the others simply shared the same thoughts.

I haven't noticed anything scummy from Nueva. Admittedly, I haven't really noticed him at all. But he says he has exams, I have exams atm too, and I know how tough it is, it can really impede on your games (and i'm just

asking

to fail, seeing as I have an exam tomorrow...Ugh, need more motivation...). So i'm happy to let that slide.

Sir, i've played with before. He was town, and I read him as such, but a lot of people thought he was scum. That seems to be happening here too. I don't have much of a read on him yet tbh.

[Xtoxm]

I just checked Nueva. He's not lurking as hard as you imply. And his isolation 9 looks pro-town to me.

Steph - Your argument

is

crap. I fail to see how you believe something so absurd enough to bring it up.

[Xtoxm]

I glanced through at Sir, I really don't get a feel either way yet.

I have no reason to trust Zwet's opinion, in the game I played with him, I don't think any of his suspects were scum. No offense.

[Xtoxm]

Well, Sironigous isn't new. He's been around a while now.

It's was Naomi's actions before the pressure that I picked up on.

[Xtoxm]

Ok, well Naomi's more recent posts have looked better. But I see no reason to change my vote; neither of the other wagons appeal to me particularly.

[Xtoxm]

For some reason I thought the other wagon was on Sir, not PM. I'm not sure what I think of PM, I can take a look.

[Xtoxm]

I approve of the

Craplogic => Female

Thought process.

[Xtoxm]

I don't like PM's press on Lamont, but he volunteered to drink the decanter. I hold that as a pro-town position, I don't think scum would want to.

And Lamont, you have done some things that can plausibly be seen as scummy. Until recently, with your change of heart on the items, I suspected you.

[Xtoxm]

The way Lamont referred to Stethoscope using female pronouns.

[Xtoxm]

That sounds like the type of stupid question i've seen Zwet make as scum..

But yeh, apart from the fact I don't think he's a good lynch anyway, based on that alone we shouldn't be lynching him.

I hadn't realised we were this close to deadline, we really need to get something together.

Naomi is the only current wagon I feel happy with atm.

There are some others I can support - Amished seems to have disappeared, and I wasn't liking what he was saying about the items.

[Xtoxm]

We have barely over a day left, we

need

to get something together quickly. And it should

not

be Lamont, as he is almost certainly going to die regardless, and it would thus be equivalent to a no lynch.

MOD: Please massprod everyone for the upcoming deadline

[Xtoxm]

I expect everyone who is not voting, or voting for Lamont, to do something with their vote in their next post, please.

[Xtoxm]

Even if Lamont doesn't die, it's worth finding out what this shell does. Although the chance of him dying is enough on itself.

[Xtoxm]

Well that's besides the point. And my comment was more directed at the people who want him lynched.

[Xtoxm]

Her level of participation is a point in her favour, and the posts I picked up on looked very consistant with newb-scum to me. And newb-scum can be active sometimes. I'm open to changing, though.

[Xtoxm]

Ok..I guess that's possible, I hadn't considered that. I really doubt it, though.

If someone doesn't happen to him, he'll be caught in a lie, so it really wouldn't have been a very useful lie to make. And it's not like he was in danger when he picked it up. Either way, he looks town to me.

[Xtoxm]

And yes, it will be the same as no lynching.

If you have 3 lynches in a day, and waive the last one, that is a no lynch. If this was a triple lynch game, would you support no lynching on day one? The same basic principles apply. Town should not be wasting lynches, except in particular situations, generally much later in the game.

[Xtoxm]

Have you recieved a post restriction?

[Xtoxm]

Quite possibly not, but he could say "Argh!" ina suggestive manner, or something...

[Xtoxm]

Were prods sent out?

Yes.

I don't like how you're pressuring people to just vote. Sounds to much as forcing a quick lynch IMO.

As for the current events. Since Lamont is more likely to be dieing if I may presume that there's no need to lynch him. I find the case on Naomi and Steph very weak.

So for now

vote:The Replacement

For above said argument.

Do you realise how close we are to deadline? We have about a day left, we need to get a lynch together quickly.

If Steph gains votes, I will change.

[Xtoxm]

That doesn't mean anything to me. And it's not a role claim.

[Xtoxm]

Unvote, Vote Steph

[Xtoxm]

She's really not going about this claim in a way I would expect scum to.

[Xtoxm]

And Lamont, calling for a counter is

very

anti-town, this early. It just outs potential power roles, if Trilby is a main character, which it sounds like.

[Xtoxm]

Her claim looks very genuine to me, tbh. If she's lying, from the sounds of it, she'll be caught, if this guy is the main protagnist.

[Xtoxm]

Stop bringing maths into this. I have changed because her claim looks pro-town. And if she's lieing, it shouldn't be hard to find out later on. It looks like you're hanging on to this simply because you are the other option.

[Xtoxm]

Naomi:

Are you now claiming to be a cop also?

[Xtoxm]

MOD: The votecount is wrong, AJ is voting for Naomi.

[Xtoxm]

Sigh..You

really

shouldn't have claimed, Amished...There will almost certainly be some power among the scum that can screw with you, to avoid massclaiming/outing of power's being beneficial at the start of the game. If scum have a roleblocker they can completely negate you now...

[Xtoxm]

Well, I am yet to see a game where a doctor being outed on D1 has been any kind of useful for town. (Other than averting a mislynch etc)

[Xtoxm]

Lamont - Read the death scene.

The next knock burst the door wide open, splinters flying. The spear flew through the gap, impaling The
Replacement through the heart. As the world went dark, he saw the creature walk up to him, felt it tear him in half...
and then peace.

This implies it's not a double kill.

Lamont, try

Loading

that gun?

Also, no lynch was horrible. I think we should look at who didn't bother to vote.

[Xtoxm]

Mod - Can you please include those not voting in future votecounts

[Xtoxm]

Lamont, I think that's retarded, and you shouldn't have done it, but I think you're town.

Naomi needs to give her result before we do anything.

[Xtoxm]

Yes, I agree, the claim looked

very

poor when she added the cop thing on. But there's no reason not to wait for her result.

[Xtoxm]

Sorry for not posting...

Busy with exams for a bit and then I just lost interest.

Anyway, i'm not buying the Sir case right now. If someone thinks they have comparable scum meta, please do show.

Devestation looks town to me. The crusade against items was anti-town, but he pushed it way to hard and blindy to be scum. He's gotta be a townie who really believes what he's saying.

Amished - I believe the claim; I see no reason why scum would want to come out like that.

Naomi - I find it hard to believe she didn't know we expected her to use her action last night, it just looks like buying time...I dunno if we should wait...

Pablo - I am potentially interested in. I don't think he's playing dissimilarly to how he played when i've seen him as scum, though I admit i've not seen him town. But he also left his vote on Lamont at the end of yesterday, and made no attepmt to help get a lynch together...This is scummy.

And this may sound ironic coming from me but killing a lurker might be a good thing. some have lurked a lot harder then me, i've been active til now, and there's usually scum among the lurkers when you have a load of them, and it's better to get rid of them early on.

[Xtoxm]

Vig Pablo

For now.

[Xtoxm]

Fos: Seteal

Sir's post there was very pro-town, and that you push this is scummy:

Frankly, anyone who would use such a weak reason has to be scum struggling to fabricate suspicion on players they know are protown.

This is not true...And being such a prestigious player, you should know better.

[Xtoxm]

As for not voting for anyone at the end of the day, I can give you no excuse, and won't waste my time trying to create one.

Even if it's a poor one a townie would have a reason for not voting...Even if it was sucky like I couldn't be assed to come online...

[Xtoxm]

Well, that's a better explanation, but I still don't like how you're attacking him.

@xtoxm: what are you talking about? What does it even mean to be "prestigious" on this site? Very few people in this game have played with me before, so I certainly wouldn't say I'm prestigious to anyone here.

You have been here a long time...A lot longer than me. You were in one of my first games. You know a lot about mafia. That's what I mean.

[Xtoxm]

Anti-Town =/= Scum.

And it wasn't for no reason, even. He

was

looking like it'd be him.

And Lamont, you shouldn't allow half votes. Poor modding.

[Xtoxm]

MOD: AJ needs replacing. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11684

MOD: The links in this post are NOT references to ongoing games, they are references to the sign up queue.

PM's last post looks kinda town...I don't think scum would come out with an argument like that under pressure.

The lurkers (Those with less than 40 posts, replacements conbined..): AJ, Nueva/Rock, Pablo Molinero, Populartajo.

AJ

He does this often as town, and he was on LA. What he contributed looked good to me, i'm thinking town.

Nueva/Rock

On the whole not looked great, but viewing Nueva's isolation, this one post gives me a town lean on the role:

Like it has been said THIS GAME WILL BE UNFAIR TOWARDS TOWN. So right now if we dont capitalize on it it will start becoming very unfair for ttownspeople like me

PM

I was surprised to see him here. I guess he lurked D1. He's been active of late. See above...

Pop

• He is usually a highly active player.
• My main memory of him is making posts to the effect of "I'll contribute later". Check his isolation posts 13 to 21.
• Other than his contribution to the Naomi wagon, i'm not seeing much to make me think he's town.
• I've noticed he's been scum a lot recently. LAL Mafia, and an ongoing where he's dead. I thought there was another game where I saw him as scum, though a quick search revealed nothing. Meh.
• Despite the lurking and future contribution promise posts, I have seen him sign for a
  lot
  of new games recently. For example:
  • This
  • This...
  • This one too
  • Here's another
  • And another

Hypothesis

: Pop is sick of being scum, and is scum here, hence the behavior.

Unvig, Vig Pop

[Xtoxm]

No opinions on my post?

[Xtoxm]

Sorry; that wasn't meant to be there. I'm not referencing any ongoing games.

My last point is still in effect...But I do know what you mean. I'm not very interested in any of my games right now. Still, you are the lurker I would reckon is most likely to be scum.

[Xtoxm]

That you've been signing for other games.

[Xtoxm]

Hey, it made sense to me when I made it, ok.

I'm not sure who I want vigged right now. But there are some people I don't want vigged.

[Xtoxm]

I've never thought of Pyro as a lurker.

He's probably town.

[Xtoxm]

Well the claim isn't all that ludicrous in itself. A full blown cop with NK immunity is incredibly powerful; it would make sense to weaken it down.

[Xtoxm]

Well I don't know much about Chzo and that wasn't what I based that statement on.

Being the main character, I can definitely see NK immune, just based on video games in general; when playing, you can die, but in the plot your character doesn't.

What makes you say he's a continuous cop? What exactly does he do in the game?

[Xtoxm]

Xtoxm your sig comment ... It is hard to read

Heh, yeah. I love the way he talks though.

[Xtoxm]

I don't know how far we are from deadline, but yes, I support the sentiment.

[Xtoxm]

Pablo is vigging Zwet.

[Xtoxm]

I think you should count it as not voting. That's what i'd do.

[Xtoxm]

I'd also appreciate it if you included the deadline in your vig counts.

[Xtoxm]

No.

[Xtoxm]

Pretty sure it would have the same effect on everyone. I've not really thought about it.

[Xtoxm]

I already linked you to a GD thread where AJ announced he's quitting and asked to be replaced in all his games. He's not coming back.

[Xtoxm]

Hmm. Also - what effect would it have on a bad guy? Is there anyone here familiar with the flavour? I've only played

5

days a stranger

, and that was a while ago.

Yes and that is the game with the

Manor

. The Mod was very particular to point out that was the manor we are in.

Now since Trilby is the central character and the game is called FIVE days a stranger HOW IN THE WORLD does it make ANY sense for Trilby to be a one-shot cop!??

I mean the game isn't called ONE Day a Stranger!!!

When designing a setup, sometimes flavour is sacrificed for balance. Think about it from a modding standpoint. I would need to play the game to know, but you should only push this argument if you're really sure it's the case.

[Xtoxm]

MOD: Are you deleting posts? Something funny is going on with the post numbers. It's confusing.

[Xtoxm]

Hmm. Also - what effect would it have on a bad guy? Is there anyone here familiar with the flavour? I've only played

5

days a stranger

, and that was a while ago.

Yes and that is the game with the

Manor

. The Mod was very particular to point out that was the manor we are in.

Now since Trilby is the central character and the game is called FIVE days a stranger HOW IN THE WORLD does it make ANY sense for Trilby to be a one-shot cop!??

I mean the game isn't called ONE Day a Stranger!!!

When designing a setup, sometimes flavour is sacrificed for balance. Think about it from a modding standpoint. I would need to play the game to know, but you should only push this argument if you're really sure it's the case.

Ya I'm certain because there is no reason why Trilby would HAVE to be dumbed down. Trilby would be a determining factor in the game balance itself (as the main character). The game would be built around him and the disembodied boy. So the Mod wouldn't dumb Trilby down but OTHER roles to provide game balance.

A one-shot cop is

extremely

weak for THE main character of the game. And once again UNK makes no sense; Trilby can die plenty in the game and is at no time immune to it (not by default anyway).

However, I would like to understand more what Amished's role is and where the Mod got it and the details of it. I would like this iinofrmation before we vig. Can anyone help me here?

Well, i'm pretty damn certain there isn't going to be an NK Immune Cop (full) in the game...It's way too powerful.

Lamont, i've already said how you can die in-game doesn't count.

Does Trilby survive at the end of the game, in the

storyline

?

[Xtoxm]

And on my vig vote: Ok.

Vote: Populartajo

I'll choose either Seteal or Zwet. Probably Seteal.

[Xtoxm]

I still maintain killing Tajo would be good. Look at his isolation...He lurking hard, providing next to nothing, and, like half of his posts are stallers. I don't like his veiled attack on me in his last post; also illustrates he isn't reading most of the thread.

Just because I conceded my point about your disinterest, doesn't nullify the others.

[Xtoxm]

Tajo's stalling posts layed out for you, seeing as no one can be bothered to check. He's playing pathetically whatever he is, but he shouldn't be allowed to get away with this kind of thing. And I think he's more likely to do this as scum, as scum have incentice to want to lurk.

Im here. Seems I didnt miss much.

Rereading.

Im here.

Im going to be terribly busy today.

Will post tonight or tomorrow

Sorry guys, if my V/LA doesnt get better in the following two days, I'd likely ask for a replacement.

Promisse to post tomorrow. I just got tired rerading another game that needed my presence

Im here catching up all I missed in the weekend.

SOmeone can tell me some important events?

Someone more involved in the game can make me a summary of all that its going on? I dont feel like reading another 30 pages game.

Im here, sorry Im neglecting this game. I did a quick skim but bad news is that I have to go out now. Ill reread tomorrow.

Im sorry about my activity in all my games. V/LA until the 2nd.

im back

i will reread everything i missed and post tomorrow

Im catching up as fast as I can. Ill catch up progressively.

Still catching up but my first reasoning regarding Naomi is that :

I'm trying to keep up with this game, and failing miserably. (Blame Death Note mafia)

I need catching up. As far as I can see you all missed my proposition.

Relax, I will participate more as the game progresses.

Im sick and for that reason V/LA until tomorrow.

[Xtoxm]

Well..That's more mod wifom than anything. I do see what you're saying and it makes sense, but there's no garantee the mod thought that way. So I don't buy point 2).

Point 1) may have some stock, but again...Dependant on how mod interprets 2), and like I said...If mod wanted to make Trilby NK Immune, I can see him impeding Trilby's other power. I don't think this argument holds. That said, the way Naomi claimed it did look bad. BUT if Trilby is as obv-cop as you say, then it's possible she really did believe it would be obvious to us he was a cop, hence the lack of claiming it.

[Xtoxm]

Lamont...Your points make sense. But i'm telling you, from a modding standpoint, it's possible the mod thought that. I have modded in the past, and given someone NK Immunity based on this. (Offsite; I'm not linking.)

[Xtoxm]

If you'd bothered to read all my posts you'd know exactly why I was attacking you and not others.

[Xtoxm]

Well, she did seem pretty annoyed at this game. When the players in a game annoy me, for whatever reason, I tend to lurk. Seteal being vigged is starting to look like a forgone conclusion; i'm not convinced though. I realise i'm starting to say this about almost everyone who i've suspected. Need some more scum reads in this game..

[Xtoxm]

I looked and no I don't think so. I tend to say things like that a lot. Lamont has looked very town to me today, and his gambit is pro-town to me. And his post count is massive.

[Xtoxm]

1. Nyx - ???
2. Pyromaniac - Town
3. Shadow Knightdramonic - ???
4. populartajo - ???
5. Lamont_Cranston - Town
6. Sironigous - Town
7. Queen Elizabeth IIStephoscope - Lean Town
8. Devestation - Lean Town
9. UnofficialRulerofEveryonezwetschenwasser - ???
10. hohumElmo - Town
11. NuevaVidaRockatansky - Lean Town
12. Amished - Town
13. MalkonSetael - ???
14. Alabaska J - Lean Town
15. Xtoxm - Town
16. KratosThe Replacement - Schoolboy (Innocent, killed N1.
17. Pablo Molinero - ???
18. Naomi_Saotome - ???
19. Sajin - Historical Advisor's Research Assistant (Innocent, killed N1

That leaves me 7 suspects...Well 6 for all intents and purposes...

Vig Zwet

I usually find him obvtown.

Seteal looks genuine here.

[Xtoxm]

Yeah, omgus is not a scumtell.

[Xtoxm]

I commend your decision, Tajo. Quitting through lack of interest seemed unlike you.

[Xtoxm]

Seteal, you dying isn't going to change my opinion of Lamont...

I think he's town cause of his actions, not because he got a vig item.

[Xtoxm]

Uhh, Lamont, what you said there has little to do with it really, from my position anyway.

[Xtoxm]

Refusing to part with the shell would have been a death sentence, so not exactly.

[Xtoxm]

Pyro: I thought 1698 was goodposting, actually. Curious to see what Xtoxm says.

Agree with most of the points on Set. Don't hold the roleblocker thing against her, don't see why everyone finds it so scummy. The only reason I didn't like her in the first place was the way she attacked Sir.

If you mean what it does for my opinion of Tajo; null.

[Xtoxm]

Vig Dev

Change of heart.

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

8am GMT June 25

Setael-7 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation, Zwet, Dramonic)

Devastation-5 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo, Naomi, X)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo,)
Lamont-1 (Setael)
Pablo-1 (Tajo)

Not vig-voting scum:

AJ

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

Feel free to change my deadline but "very soon" has been there for too long.

[Xtoxm]

Well not really. Even if Setael doesn't show up we can assume she defaults to Dev for self preservation.

Zazie, Tajo, Palbo, Nyx: Just read their isolations and choose the one that looks less town to you.

Hey Zazie.

[Xtoxm]

Bah..

[Xtoxm]

MOD: Amished has been replaced elsewhere, and hasn't posted for a week in this game, so may want to think about that.

[Xtoxm]

First of all, it''s possibly a vig kill.
So I''d like to use it on a scummy active lurker. Which is why I also proposed Rock as vig target.
But if Stepho flips, we have things to work with, which we won''t have if either Deves or Rock flips.

Anyway, on Stepho:
-Devil sign argument. Pushed this bad argument really hard and even voted you for it. Yet, when the ''Post Restriction'' from Lamont comes, he doesn''t push it.
-Trying to once again discuss the item first and after discussing the lynch, which went wrong yesterday, after a player asked what happened to the Stepho wagon of day 1.
(Which I''m curious about as well.)
Actually never mind. 3 of the 6 voters are absent. Which would leave Setael, Tox and Nyx. Opinions?

Yeah, I can see him doing it as town though. That said, Dev's self sacrifice looks town.

Vig Steph

You know I HET vanilla-claimers & self-voters tho. If he contributes like this in the engame it will only hurt us.

Objectively, this comes from town most of the time.

[Xtoxm]

Ok, well, in my experience it is, then.

[Xtoxm]

I don't think it'll change either, but the counter has sprung up, so I thought I may as well go for it.

[Xtoxm]

Vote count is wrong, you moved mine back to Dev.

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 26...

Devastation-6 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Devastation)

Stepho-6 (Zazier, Elmo, Pyro, Xtoxm, Sironi, Lamont)
Setael-3 (Amished, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-2 (Nyx, Pablo)

Not vig-voting scum: _

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Xtoxm]

Vote count is wrong, you moved mine back to Dev.

Vig Vote Tally

Deadline

:

June 26...

Devastation-7 (Stepho, Rock, Naomi, Tajo, Setael, Devastation, Pablo)

Stepho-6 (Zazier, Elmo, Pyro, Xtoxm, Sironi, Lamont)
Setael-3 (Amished, Zwet, Dramonic)
Zwet-1 (Nyx)

Not vig-voting scum: _

"Vote early and vote often or get the rope!"

[Xtoxm]

I've just found out that this thing is a freeware PC game. Trying it out.

[Xtoxm]

Just do it.

[Xtoxm]

Btw, there's a good chance I won't be here for the last few days on deadline; holiday.

[Xtoxm]

Not buying it.

[Xtoxm]

"Jesus Christ"

[Xtoxm]

"I am an investigative reporter, and am Innocent."

Innocent means VT. He scum with a botched up claim.

Apart from that, what rolecop gets alignment too? That's not how it works...He scum. Kill plox.

[Xtoxm]

Further reason for me to believe Dev is town.

He already claimed innocent earlier, and made some comment about possibly not deserving to be here.

Pop: Why did you think Dev hadn't claimed?

[Xtoxm]

For some reason I wasn't expecting that at all. I was when it was initially picked up, but with all the talk about vigging I forgot about it. We should have elected a shooter too..I was pretty suspicious of Nyx though.

[Xtoxm]

Are you suggesting that comment is scummy?

If so, why?

[Xtoxm]

Next time, we should vote on who should pick up the item. That's my opinion of it.

This would work better, yeah.

[Xtoxm]

Next time, we should vote on who should pick up the item. That's my opinion of it.

This would work better, yeah.

Hell no. Last time it took 3 weeks to get a poll done.

Well, it needs to be done a lot more efficiently. There is no need for it to take so long.

[Xtoxm]

Sir, that's not helping.

Pretty sure Rock is town.

Also still pretty sure Steph is scum, his claim makes no sense. It's possible he has some sort of power like that, but he's still scum.

Short of that I can go with Dramonic.

[Xtoxm]

No, it was directed at Sironigous.

[Xtoxm]

Role is revealed. "Innocent" means Vanilla.

[Xtoxm]

"Vanilla Townies win if they destroy all Evil players. The Evil characters win when they have a majority, and are deemed powerful enough to over-power any and all remaining factions."

Are you saying this statement would be false?

[Xtoxm]

Actually, I guess it's possible that "Innocent" is both an alignment and a role, and non-vanilla reveals would have an annexation.

[Xtoxm]

I would like Naomi and Amished's replacement to say whether they are told they're Innocent.

[Xtoxm]

So, can we lynch scum yet?

Unvote Vote Steph

[Xtoxm]

Also, that plus what Amished said earlier makes me worried we have a Cult mechanic in this game.

[Xtoxm]

So, can we lynch scum yet?

Unvote Vote Steph

Please explain this. This appears to be an irresponsible vote with only 5 days left, but when you factor in that he is a claimed town PR it becomes actually scummy...

Are you completely fucking retarded?

This game does not only show alignment. To clarify - in this game, an Innocent is someone entirely uninvolved in the struggle between any Good faction/s and any Evil faction/s, and should be considered the equivalent of a Vanillager. Alignments are denoted by coloration.

[Xtoxm]

For the love of God...

I am Janine. I am an investigative reporter, and am Innocent.

I can check one player each night, and learn his or her role and alignment.

I investigated Naomi last night. Her roleclaim was legitimate. She is Trilby.

Please protect me tonight.

[Xtoxm]

To clarify - in this game, an Innocent is someone entirely uninvolved in the struggle between any Good faction/s and any Evil faction/s, and should be considered the equivalent of a Vanillager.[/size

[Xtoxm]

To clarify - in this game, an Innocent is someone entirely uninvolved in the struggle between any Good faction/s and any Evil faction/s, and should be considered the equivalent of a Vanillager.

EBWOP

[Xtoxm]

I have higlighted his contradiction.

[Xtoxm]

We have Evil and Good, and then a load of innocents, that seem like a bit on the side. Amished made a comment about being aware "People will start turning".

[Xtoxm]

The deadline shouldn't matter. Steph is caught in a lie.

[Xtoxm]

The mod has made clear the "Good factions" are seperate to Innocents.

[Xtoxm]

Because Innocent means Vanilla. Why do you need this explaining?

[Xtoxm]

The mod has made clear the "Good factions" are seperate to Innocents.

He did?
Uhm, I think an example is better to use to what I think he''s saying:

Batman is fighting that Penguin Guy who had tied bombs to the back of his Penguin army. While they are fighting, you see the Penguins walking into the city. The ''Innocents'' are in their homes, doing their daily stuff as they don''t know that Penguins have gone suicidal. In other words, they aren''t involved in the battle between Good and Evil. Yet, they want to be save and therefore want Batman to win.

I hope this is understandable to what I think the mod meant.

Yes, I think that's probably right, I just mean that there's a distinction between them.

[Xtoxm]

Wow. Good timing, though.

[Xtoxm]

Again, just to be perfectly clear: My role does not say innocent in it anywhere. It says I win when all threats to the humans have been eliminated.

I don't think Steph could be any more obvscum.

[Xtoxm]

Omgosh a speedlynch of a town power role...

I'm sorry, what's all this, please?

unvote

His claim confirms him scum. He needs to be lynched now.

[Xtoxm]

Lol. I don't know what club you're going to, but 3am sounds too early to be eligible for posting a votecount..

[Xtoxm]

19 hours I think..Midday UK time tomorrow right?

[Xtoxm]

I live in the UK, you know. The time here isn't my query, it's when the deadline is.

[Xtoxm]

Woo I wanted die. And I was playing as vig btw.