I had town reads on both scum throughout half the game.
My accident got me completely out of this game and then I had a bad feeling about Zaz and KMD but mostly Zaz.
The replacements saved my life! That proves my theory that replacements are always a huge benefit for town (unless they're scum)
I think I did one good thing
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aimed at both KMD and Raiv and may have pushed KMD to pull a desperate fake claim seeing that the rest of the town was heading in that direction.
His crumb was hilarious. HIV Positive. lol.
Why did Zaz replace!!!??? I STILL don't understand that.
One thing that totally lost KMD was that he forgot to explain that scum would obviously know if there wasn't a cop (given the setup). This is something I love about newbie games, that you can rule out setups. I believe I went through this in my first post of day 2.
I am not happy with my performance, but I'll comment anyway.
I should have realized there was no cop. I didn't. I thought Zaz was a cop, so that was why I claimed the guilty on her. Her counter claim would have looked suspicious. I mean, can you imagine?
Kmd: I'm a cop with a guilty on Zaz
Zaz: No, I'm the cop.
That was what I was hoping for. I'd have trusted Raiv to kill CO after we killed Charter and I was lynched and then he'd win in 3 player LYLO.
But obviously, there was no cop. Zaz looked like a cop because her change of opinion on CnT came right around the change from Day 1 to Day 2.
So, anyway, that's why I failed as scum. And I left a connection to my buddy, who played an otherwise good game. I tried to connect myself to Zaz and Knox as I was going down. Didn't work though.
She replaced out for personal reasons that I'd rather not go into.
Raiv, sorry about the loss. You did a great job of appearing protown. You'd have won with a better buddy.
Charter, amazing job coming in and nailing both scum.
Porkens, great job replacing in to catch Raiv.
Alex, you mostly played well and made good decisions. Try not to be too easily influenced in the future though. The person whose reasoning sounds the most solid can very easily be scum who is good with words.
Oh, and I faked the breadcrumb. It never existed. I looked at my first post of the day and googled it. That movie was the first thing to come up, so I turned it into a fake breadcrumb. Last minute desperation thing.
So. Sorry to my scumbuddy for screwing this up. Sorry to the newbies for showing a bad example of how to play. After the newb game I'm still in, I am done as IC.
If anyone still wants to hear from me in endgame, I'll be glad to answer questions to the best of my ability.
Alex, we didn't have a QT, but I can dig out PMs if you want them. Not tonight though. I'm getting tired.
KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare
KMD wrote:Oh, and I faked the breadcrumb. It never existed. I looked at my first post of the day and googled it. That movie was the first thing to come up, so I turned it into a fake breadcrumb. Last minute desperation thing.
I told you it looked fake. HIV positive... You could've come up with something better... lol.
KMD wrote:Alex, we didn't have a QT, but I can dig out PMs if you want them. Not tonight though. I'm getting tired.
When and IF you can buddy. I just love to see what are the thought processes of scum and completing my view of the game.
I don't think you played such a bad game. You should continue IC-ing. The only non-IC thing you did was stating that both IC's couldn't be scum together. But the IC wiki says that if you misdirect newbies as scum you can explain it in the endgame, what's the supposed way in wich things are done and that's it.
Really. You could've won. Replacements screwed you big time.
She replaced out for personal reasons that I'd rather not go into.
I'll stop asking about Zaz then.
Alex, you mostly played well and made good decisions. Try not to be too easily influenced in the future though. The person whose reasoning sounds the most solid can very easily be scum who is good with words.
I'll try. This is why I'm always afraid of logical pro town players... like you and Zaz. What if they're scum?
Well I really enjoyed this game as I thought there was a good amount of discussion and during my first read through I suspected Raivann the most which makes me happy now .
But everyone seemed to dismiss my points which I thought were pretty good even if they were more based on his play and gut. Why was that? It was great when charter came and had his own opinion about Raivann as it reassured me that I wasn’t completely crazy! Did my points help at all in the lynch of Raivann or were only Porkens? This was my first proper game to finish so what should I do and not do next time?
Thanks charter for coming in, you were a great town player and picked both scum. Well done to you!
And I really enjoyed playing with all of you, it was fun
No, everything helped. I was all for lynching Raivann. I just wanted to be covered up in case he wasn't scum. Have info for tomorrow.
Seeing that now we couldn't be accused of defending our scumbuddies I wanted to defend a little some players so I could see if someone was pushing a case too hard.
alexhans wrote:
I don't think you played such a bad game. You should continue IC-ing. The only non-IC thing you did was stating that both IC's couldn't be scum together. But the IC wiki says that if you misdirect newbies as scum you can explain it in the endgame, what's the supposed way in wich things are done and that's it.
Yeah, that was 100% intentional misdirection on my part. Well, in a different way. I wasn't actually trying to argue that both ICs couldn't be scum. I was saying it as an attempt to leave a connection between Zaz and myself. I knew Charter would call BS. He had expressed suspicion on Zaz, so this was my way of trying to help Raiv before I went down.
alexhans wrote:
I'll try. This is why I'm always afraid of logical pro town players... like you and Zaz. What if they're scum?
You can follow a player's logic if you think it makes sense. But still try to judge the player's townieness/scuminess and try to think more for yourself and less with other people. Look for holes in good logic. If there aren't any, maybe you ARE looking at a logical townie. If you see holes, it doesn't necessarily make the player scum, but it means they could be wrong.
knox wrote:
But everyone seemed to dismiss my points which I thought were pretty good even if they were more based on his play and gut. Why was that? It was great when charter came and had his own opinion about Raivann as it reassured me that I wasn’t completely crazy! Did my points help at all in the lynch of Raivann or were only Porkens? This was my first proper game to finish so what should I do and not do next time?
A lot of people think what they think and won't change their mind very easily. So being right won't always win a game. You have to be persuasive too. Don't be afraid to use sarcasm and exaggeration even as town trying to prove a point. I've given this same advice to a pretty experienced player who is right most of the time, but has a hard time convincing others. If you can do both (be right AND convince everyone), that is the key to being a great town player.
KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare
Good game everyone, especially town, and thanks for modding Yaw!
I guess some general thoughts I had. I have no idea why Kmd4390 was not hammered four posts after he claimed. The FIRST thing you do when someone claims is see if they are lying and Kmd4390's story clearly did not add up. I think everyone in the town did a pretty good job though, there wasn't much any of you did that was scummy. blueshadow slipped up big, and was correctly lynched for it, but lynching scum day two and three is really good.
I suppose my big suggestion to scum would be not to blatently shift wagons like both of you did. It was very very easy to pick up on when reading through the game and is a pretty reliable scumtell.
Kmd4390, I still wouldn't be that hard on yourself. Your reason for quitting being an IC is a dumb one. I make stupid mistakes all the time, but I'm not going to quit being an IC.
charter wrote:
I suppose my big suggestion to scum would be not to blatently shift wagons like both of you did. It was very very easy to pick up on when reading through the game and is a pretty reliable scumtell.
Actually, I'd have done that as town too. *shrug*
charter wrote:Oh, and I am sad at Raivann for NKing me. Shame on you.
It had to be either you or CO. I think I would have probably picked you too.
KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare
GG all, especially charter. I thought we had a good chance of winning after we got the doctor night 1. This was my first game of mafia ever, had a real good time, see ya guys, thanks Yaw!
HIV positive... You could've come up with something better... lol.
