Wheel of Time Mafia: Rip in the Pattern (GAME OVER)

[julienvonwolfe]

That's...interesting, to say the least. The Wheel of Time lover inside me is trying to figure out what cool role that would imply lol, but the mafia-player thinks it's probably best that you don't tell yet.

Aelfinn/Eelfinn is the only thing that springs to mind as being not obviously lightfearing or darkfriend.

*shrugs*

[armlx]

That's terrible logic, insulting, wrong, and doesn't actually prove any point. Good job.

Isacc, am I reading this wrong?

[Isacc]

That's terrible logic, insulting, wrong, and doesn't actually prove any point. Good job.

Isacc, am I reading this wrong?

Apparently so.

If you notice, three out of the four statements there focus on how Mastermind's accusation didn't make sense...they were far more important than the "insulting" part.

I was not trying to deflect by calling it ad-hom...I didn't even use the words ad-hom or invective.

Anyways, my 735 should be more than clear enough to show

why

Mastermind's accusation didn't make sense.

[Mastermind of Sin]

That's terrible logic, insulting, wrong, and doesn't actually prove any point. Good job.

Isacc, am I reading this wrong?

Apparently so.

If you notice, three out of the four statements there focus on how Mastermind's accusation didn't make sense...they were far more important than the "insulting" part.

I was not trying to deflect by calling it ad-hom...I didn't even use the words ad-hom or invective.

Anyways, my 735 should be more than clear enough to show

why

Mastermind's accusation didn't make sense.

If you notice, four out of the four statements are also completely unsupported and lacking any sort of justification. Your 375 doesn't really address the point at all, but I'll go ahead and show you why.

Also, just because you don't use the words "ad-hom" or "invective" doesn't mean that your posts aren't implying as much regardless. I believe that is what armlx is getting at.

-_-

You aren't even thinking correctly.

You directly stated that it would be stupid to support him as scum, because of "an obviously false claim that he detected the one power".

Regardless of your alignment, you admit that Fabian's claim was obviously false and that it's stupid to support it, which leaves me asking the question of why you supported it at all?

It would be "obviously false"

because I was scum

. As town, it's NOT obvious. Therefore, if I was scum it would be stupid to support his claim, because AS SCUM I would know it was false.

However, AS TOWN, the claim is NOT obviously false, since I DON'T KNOW HIS ROLE. Therefore it was not "obviously false."

Lrn2read.

This is a completely pointless and misleading statement. As scum, every roleclaim your partners make are "obviously false". By your argument, scum should *never* support their partners' claims, because in their eyes the claims are "obviously false". This doesn't make any sense at all, because there are clearly many situations where scumpartners should support each other's claims. The only time it's not prudent to do so is when your partner's falsification of their claim is clear

to the town

, which means that protown players should be able to see the claim is false. Therefore, the only way that your argument for scum not supporting Fabian's claim holds true is if you also support the lemma that town should have seen Fabian's claim as false. So, I return back to my previous statement, whereupon both situations being equal, as scum you at least have incentive to support Fabian

because he is your scumpartner

.

[Isacc]

I'm glad you addressed the issue Mastermind (I was worried you weren't going to), however you are dead wrong.

The only time it's not prudent to do so is when your partner's falsification of their claim is clear to the town, which means that protown players should be able to see the claim is false.

You're missing the fact that as scum, I would have known the channeling claim was unfounded and thereby foolish to make.

The point is this. There is only one logical scenario in which I would believe a claim that Fabian had detected channeling. I would have to both not know whether or not the Power had been channeled (ergo, not be an Aes Sedai or communicate with them), and also not know what Fabian's role was.

If I was his scumpartner (as you are claiming) I would know he was lying (reason 1 to not support a claim, as I would thereby know it would be able to be counterclaimed). As soon as the Aes Sedai counter-claimed I would know for sure that he was wrong, and that therefore he was liable to die (as, he WAS lying and outright liars tend to die eventually) and then the only logical scum reaction would have been to distance.

As you can see, your argument is extremely superficial. It is an extremely basic argument of "OMG connection, they must both be the exact same alignment!" It lacks an actual analysis of actions and shows a lack of complex thought. It'd be no different than if I called you out for bussing because you were so quick to disbelieve the claim.

It's simple, enough said. Maybe it'd work in a newbie game, but we are big kids here and we're more complicated than that.

[Seraphim]

So, Fabian is lynched, right?

[Kairyuu]

Yes, and we should be entering D2, oh, about 3 and a half hours ago.

[Mufasa]

Are we in a consensus that we want a claim?

[Seraphim]

From who? Or is this in the wrong game?

[Isacc]

Are we in a consensus that we want a claim?

What are you talking about...?

[Mufasa]

Wrong game my bad

[Seraphim]

And that's what I thought. *whistles and waits for Fabian's flip*

[Kinetic]

End of Day One

Some of the events of this night are very fuzzy, but I need to write them down here quickly. The camps decided to execute one of their own. At the beginning of the night they chained that women to a tree, to be executed in the morning.

That night however... I just heard sounds. Sometimes I was sure it was the wind. Others I was sure wasn't the wind.

When we woke we found the remains of three people, all of whom were brutally dismembered, and one of the bodies was even mutilated beyond that, burned to a fiery crisp.

Hasdgfas,

Karaar Powelan, Innkeeper

, Town, dismembered before Daybreak of Day 2.
Shadow Knight,

Barohei Sedai of the Green Ajeh

, Town, dismembered before Daybreak of Day 2.
Knight of Cydonia,

Ta'veren of the Light

, Town, dismembered and incinerated before Daybreak of Day 2

Even after that grizzly sight the camp refused to budge. They hanged the women that was chained to the tree just before the sun rose.

xxFabianxx,

The Forsaken Saprosh

, Survivor Mafia, lynched before Daybreak of Day 2.

As she died, it seemed like her face melted and became someone else. Someone some of us still had nightmares about. One of the Forsaken! In our village! It seemed like half the town decided that was a great time to flee. Many left without even returning to collect their things from their houses.

Just ran, straight into the woods.

We found other things during the clean up. On a post in the middle of the town was a notice.

There were three people sleeping in the Stables last night. One of those people do not have the best interests of the town at heart.

Beginning of Day 2

Several things need to be taken care of, Day will begin as soon as they are. This should only take at most an hour, maybe a bit longer.

[Kinetic]

We found the women hanging from a tree the next day. Some of us were horrified. Some of us were sick. Some of us recognized her...

The camp was virtually a battlefield. Body parts were everywhere. The blood, the humanity. One of the bodies, what was left of it, was even scorched to the bone.

It was like a war had begun in our little backyard.

- From the Journal of Jardor Calol

Yosarian2 replaces Tenchi effective this post.

The Thirteenth Vote Count

1. (0) Mr. Flay -
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (0) fuzzylightning -
   
4. (0) MacavityLock -
   
5. (0) Seraphim -
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (0) Benmage -
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (0) Yosarian2 -
   
10. (0) Albert B. Rampage -
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (0) Mastermind of Sin -
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (0) Mufasa -
    
17. (0) SpyreX -
    
18. (0) Myndrunner -
    
19. (0) Faraday -
    
20. (0) Sajin -
    
21. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
22. (0) Kison -

Votes Required to Lynch:

12

Not Voting (22): Mr. Flay, Isacc, fuzzylightning, MacavityLock, Seraphim, julienvonwolfe, Cyberbob, Kairyuu, Yosarian2, Albert B. Rampage, armlx, Slicey, Mastermind of Sin, Tuberkulos, Moratorium, Shadow Knight, Mufasa, SpyreX, Myndrunner, Faraday, Sajin, Tucking Fypo, Kison

FoS Count

1. (0) Mr. Flay -
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (0) fuzzylightning -
   
4. (0) MacavityLock -
   
5. (0) Seraphim -
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (0) Benmage -
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (0) Tosarian2 -
   
10. (0) Albert B. Rampage -
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (0) Mastermind of Sin -
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (0) Mufasa -
    
17. (0) SpyreX -
    
18. (0) Myndrunner -
    
19. (0) Faraday -
    
20. (0) Sajin -
    
21. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
22. (0) Kison -

Not FoSing (22): Mr. Flay, Isacc, fuzzylightning, MacavityLock, Seraphim, julienvonwolfe, Cyberbob, Kairyuu, Yosarian2, Albert B. Rampage, armlx, Slicey, Mastermind of Sin, Tuberkulos, Moratorium, Mufasa, SpyreX, Myndrunner, Faraday, Sajin, Tucking Fypo, Kison

Current Deadline:

May 20, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

First Mod Deadline Review:

May 13, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

[Kairyuu]

vote: Slicey

Reasons somewhere in the last page or two.

[Yosarian2]

I am here. I'll attempt to read and catch up with this game soon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I HAZ SURVIVED TEH NITE

[SpyreX]

This just in: I was gentled.
This also just in: I was at the Stables.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've detected MASSIVE activity last night. I need everyone to claim where they slept.

I was at the barn.

[Mufasa]

I was at the Windmill

[Kairyuu]

Blacksmith for me.

[Mr. Flay]

I slept at the Windmill.

I'm curious about the nightkills. Dismemberment doesn't particularly strike me as a One Power killing, but incineration does. Also, what on earth is a "Survivor Mafia"? If the scum have additional criteria on their WC we could have quite a number of them around.

[armlx]

Barn for me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Flay, what do you think about KoC's claim and its repercussions?

[Moratorium]

Barn.