Open 131 - Nightless Vanilla (Over) before 767

[hewitt]

Actually to be quite honest I've never used voting analysis to find scum.

[Wall-E]

Uh no White Castle actually you're not posting reasons for voting, you're just telling us that we should be voting for either Lowell or Wall-E since they're the top vote getters and you aren't providing much reasoning at all. I don't see a case on either that makes sense so far so of course I'm not going to vote for either of them at the moment.

White Castle who are your #1-4 suspects and give an in-depth answer as to why.

I'm tired of you again. I refuse to respond to you until you vote.

I've tried my best to keep this game going.

Mod - please impose a deadline.

This contradiction is perhaps the most telling I've seen in a while. It's unquestionable that WC has taken steps to end this day sooner rather than later, meaning his words don't match his actions. A dual-minded person (one who must think like an innocent AND a wolf) displays these kind of traits sometimes.

You are handicapping other players from using said technique.

Have you ever tried using voting analysis before?

He's not handicapping anything for the same reason you can't force him to do what he does not wish to do.

We all know we can make any specific player VERY uncomfortable if they are refusing to do something helpful with votes. In this case, I don't see how hewitt voting for WC could be helpful to WC unless WC is a wolf.

Three votes on WC in a page, I'm not going to vote him yet. I'd likely hammer, but not before we get this canary to sing a little. If he's still off-key I say we truss him up.

WC: Are you willing to quantify the source of the discrepancy between your words and actions? If so, please do.

[Wall-E]

After double-checking, WC: Who did you want hewitt to vote FOR? I originally thought you were trying to get him to vote FOR YOU and I was racking my brain trying to figure out what the frick you were doing, but I see now that you merely want him to bold someone's name?

I'd hazard to guess that WC puts more stock in his own actual votes than his reasoning, and hewitt is the opposite way. Nothing wrong with either, really, but this could have been sparked by a simple cultural misunderstanding.

This does not change the dual-mindedness that WC has exhibited, however.

[Mastin]

<--Back, but still reading.

[Netlava]

Wall-E, do you consider White Castle's "I'm tired of you again. I refuse to respond to you until you vote" a clear case of stalling?

[Netlava]

Wall-E, do you consider White Castle's "I'm tired of you again. I refuse to respond to you until you vote" a clear case of stalling?

[Rishi]

Vote Count – Page 19

Wall-E – 4 (Lowell, skitzer, White Castle, Jazzmyn)
Lowell – 3 (Mastin, millar13, Empking)
White Castle – 2 (Wall-E, StrangerCoug)
skitzer – 1 (Netlava)
millar13 – 1 (farside22)

Not voting: hewitt

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Prodding millar13. Need replacement for farside22. Will wait until these are resolved, but expect a deadline to be imposed soon.

[Rishi]

Guybrush Threepwood replaces farside22, effective immediately.

Now that the replacement issue is resolved:

DEADLINE: May 26, Noon GMT

[Lowell]

Wall-E, do you consider White Castle's "I'm tired of you again. I refuse to respond to you until you vote" a clear case of stalling?

It looks to me more like coaching.

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Hi everybody, I'm replacing in. Please allow me to read up and then I shall join the discussion.

[StrangerCoug]

Wall-E, do you consider White Castle's "I'm tired of you again. I refuse to respond to you until you vote" a clear case of stalling?

It looks to me more like coaching.

How so?

[skitzer]

I love Monkey Island.

Anyway...My top suspects right now are White Castle, Wall-E, and Jazzmyn, and everybody else is kind of way below them. If hewitt does make a vote and it's anticlimactic with all the discussion he's done, he will advance up there.

[Wall-E]

While I'm waiting for WC to come back, does anyone want to rehash the points against me? I'd really like someone to compile a huge case-post that I can address line-by-line. I think it would be helpful for the town if that happened.

[millar13]

Mod request replacement

Am in too many games, and need to cut the ones that "aren't as good"

[White Castle]

My two completed games as town were Open 121 and Newbie 715.

Here are the voting records for both of your completed games as town.

Newbie 715
In Newbie 715 which started on 12/16/08 in post 23 and you voted in:
post 37 on 12/16/18 (claimed joke vote)
post 212 on 1/4/09
post 369 on 2/8/09
post 417 on 2/26/09 (unvote)
post 449 on 2/22/09
post 483 on 3/8/09

Open 121
Open 121 which started on 2/24/09 in post 4.
However, you joined the game on 3/1/09 in post 121.
You voted in:
post 234 on 3/9/09
post 468 on 3/23/09

So to summarize my findings:
1) You at one time random (joke) voted, but stopped. Why did you stop? I know you couldn't have random voted in 121 where you replaced in.
2) Excluding the random vote, it took you about 19 days to find something worthy of lynching. In the other game, it took you 8 days (since you replaced in).
3) You have taken an awful long time before voting in this game. In fact, you haven't if we don't count the accidental-vote-by-poor-quoting. We're

over 40 days now and you haven't voted

. Why?
4)

Hewitt isn't acting like his normal town self this game.

[White Castle]

Actually to be quite honest I've never used voting analysis to find scum.

Don't dismiss my efforts to use it then.

You're like someone without kids trying to give me parenting advice to me(I have two daughters).

[White Castle]

Uh no White Castle actually you're not posting reasons for voting, you're just telling us that we should be voting for either Lowell or Wall-E since they're the top vote getters and you aren't providing much reasoning at all. I don't see a case on either that makes sense so far so of course I'm not going to vote for either of them at the moment.

White Castle who are your #1-4 suspects and give an in-depth answer as to why.

I'm tired of you again. I refuse to respond to you until you vote.

I've tried my best to keep this game going.

Mod - please impose a deadline.

This contradiction is perhaps the most telling I've seen in a while. It's unquestionable that WC has taken steps to end this day sooner rather than later, meaning his words don't match his actions. A dual-minded person (one who must think like an innocent AND a wolf) displays these kind of traits sometimes.

You are handicapping other players from using said technique.

Have you ever tried using voting analysis before?

He's not handicapping anything for the same reason you can't force him to do what he does not wish to do.

We all know we can make any specific player VERY uncomfortable if they are refusing to do something helpful with votes. In this case, I don't see how hewitt voting for WC could be helpful to WC unless WC is a wolf.

Three votes on WC in a page, I'm not going to vote him yet. I'd likely hammer, but not before we get this canary to sing a little. If he's still off-key I say we truss him up.

WC: Are you willing to quantify the source of the discrepancy between your words and actions? If so, please do.

I'll identify the discrepency. It is with you! You are misquoting me. Go back and quote both posts in their entirety. Then you will see there is no discrepency.

It's scummy for you to twist quotes like this.

Confirm vote Wall-E

[White Castle]

After double-checking, WC: Who did you want hewitt to vote FOR? I originally thought you were trying to get him to vote FOR YOU and I was racking my brain trying to figure out what the frick you were doing, but I see now that you merely want him to bold someone's name?

I'd hazard to guess that WC puts more stock in his own actual votes than his reasoning, and hewitt is the opposite way. Nothing wrong with either, really, but this could have been sparked by a simple cultural misunderstanding.

This does not change the dual-mindedness that WC has exhibited, however.

Wall-E continues his case based on his own confusion.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Are there any prods in order? We've had a low number of posts in the last 24 hours.

[White Castle]

While I'm waiting for WC to come back, does anyone want to rehash the points against me? I'd really like someone to compile a huge case-post that I can address line-by-line. I think it would be helpful for the town if that happened.

Why should the burden fall on us? It's not our fault that you haven't been keeping up with our cases on you.

[White Castle]

Mod request replacement

Am in too many games, and need to cut the ones that "aren't as good"

millar is scum in real life.

[millar13]

Mod request replacement

Am in too many games, and need to cut the ones that "aren't as good"

millar is scum in real life.

I am mafia...and so are you!

[skitzer]

White Castle, I'm not a fan of meta, but hewitt's TWO completed games isn't a well-representing meta.

[hewitt]

You're quoting my first game as town as evidence to this game. My game is evolutionary and so is my playstyle, I'm relatively new to the site and I have very few completed games under my belt. You'll also notice that the town has lost every game I have been town in, so mind the fact that I'm trying to do something to change that. This game has been unbelievably slow and with all the people requesting replacement at staggering intervals it has been difficult for me to really find scum. Once I think I have though, you'll get an earful as to why. I don't see any danger for a townie getting lynched at the moment. I don't see the need to rush.

[Empking]

While I'm waiting for WC to come back, does anyone want to rehash the points against me? I'd really like someone to compile a huge case-post that I can address line-by-line. I think it would be helpful for the town if that happened.

It would be helpful.