Wheel of Time Mafia: Rip in the Pattern (GAME OVER)

[armlx]

Flay's whole Jester thing is odd. Not indicative of alignment necessarily, just befuddling.

Isacc's 357 is + town points for logic.

Seraph unvoting to FOS 365 is suspicious. He's my #1 suspect now.

My thoughts on ABR are best summed up in KoC's 375. ABR's 381 makes me lean more the scumbag rather then douchebag. Again, Isacc is spot on in 383. SpyreX is also obv telling the truth.

Oh, wow. Just read ABR's claim, more likely the later. Sigh....

Tenchi's 463 interests me. Just a note for future reference. (Later note: See hascows 520, plus some other stuff).

Sigh at ABR being actively anti-town by not answering questions like an idiot. I'm not even sure what to say about him at this point, so I won't even bother.

Isacc's 535 befuddles me. The subsequent wagon is also suspect. Something Sajin did right before also triggered my scumdar, can't remember what ATM though. It was around page 22 though.

SpyreX's behavior once the Fabian wagon rebooted is odd to say the least.

I feel like I should have more of a read on Mufasa despite the low post count, but his posts have been pretty bland on top of that.

Caught up now by the way.

[Kinetic]

It all changed that night. They gathered around one of the outsiders, I feared what might happen to him... or was it a her?

My fears were confirmed the next morning.

- From the Journal of Jardor Calol

Fabian is at Lynch -1, he has NOT been lynched.

In other news, GET THOSE TWILIGHT ACTIONS IN. If Fabian is lynched any twilight actions (hint hint, your locations) will either not happen or be randomized.

You have at MOST 24 hours after a lynch to get any other abilities sent in. If you fail to send them in time you fail to use them.

The Eighth Vote Count

1. (1)
   Mr. Flay -
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (0) fuzzylightning -
   
4. (0) MacavityLock -
   
5. (0) Seraphim -
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (0) Benmage -
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (1)
   Tenchi - hasdgfas
   
10. (2)
    Albert B. Rampage - Mufasa
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (0) Mastermind of Sin -
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (2)
    Shadow Knight - Isacc, xxFabianxx
    
17. (0) Mufasa -
    
18. (2)
    SpyreX - Albert B. Rampage, Mr. Flay
    
19. (13)
    xxFabianxx - Mastermind of Sin, Shadow Knight, SpyreX, Knight of Cydonia, Benmage, Kison, Sajin, Moratorium, Kairyuu, fuzzylightning, Seraphim, armlx, Faraday
    
20. (0) Myndrunner -
    
21. (0) Faraday -
    
22. (1)
    Sajin - MrBuddyLee
    
23. (0) hasdgfas -
    
24. (0) Knights of Cydonia -
    
25. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
26. (0) Kison -

Votes Required to Lynch:

14

Not Voting (5): julienvonwolfe, Tenchi, Slicey, Tuberkulos, Myndrunner

FoS Count

1. (3)
   Mr. Flay - Faraday, Mastermind of Sin, Seraphim
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (0) fuzzylightning -
   
4. (0) MacavityLock -
   
5. (1)
   Seraphim - armlx
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (0) Benmage -
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (0) Tenchi -
   
10. (1)
    Albert B. Rampage - Isacc
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (1)
    Mastermind of Sin - xxFabianxx
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (2)
    Shadow Knight - Cyberbob, MacavityLock
    
17. (2)
    Mufasa - Knight of Cydonia, fuzzylightning
    
18. (1)
    SpyreX - hasdgfas
    
19. (1)
    xxFabianxx - Benmage
    
20. (0) Myndrunner -
    
21. (1)
    Faraday - Albert B. Rampage
    
22. (0) Sajin -
    
23. (0) hasdgfas -
    
24. (1)
    Knights of Cydonia - Kairyuu
    
25. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
26. (0) Kison -

Not FoSing (20): MacavityLock, julienvonwolfe, Kairyuu, Tenchi, Albert B. Rampage, Slicey, Tuberkulos, Moratorium, Shadow Knight, Mufasa, SpyreX, Myndrunner, Sajin, MrBuddyLee, Kison, fuzzylightning

Current Deadline:

May 22, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

Second Mod Deadline Review:

May 8, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

[Isacc]

NOW Fabian is obv-scum. The male channeler claim sealed the deal.

I'd vote, but...it's obviously pointless now lol.

I just wish there had been more discussions that weren't role-related, as I can't help but feel like this lynch isn't going to really put us in a better place tomorrow for finding scum, but lynching scum D1 is worth it.

[Seraphim]

Hey, Isacc, hammer please.

[Mufasa]

Wow, uhm I don't believe there is a way I can't lynch fabian.

Unvote Vote Fabian

[Benmage]

LOOK at the Mini. The first part has the same rules ‘Aes Sedai bounded by the three oaths’….Than under the roles of the Aes Sedai there remains the possibility that the other AS was a df/member of the Black Ajah, and Black Ajah ARE NOT BOUND by the three oaths.

How about YOU take a look at the PLAYERS from the Mini. I WAS THERE! I know what happened.

Than why are you ignoring the aspect that he said the AS would be bound by the three oaths in the mini...and left the idea open in the minds of the AS that the other AS could be Black Ajah.

[Kairyuu]

So. Mufasa for Fabian's buddy anyone? The wording of that hammer post is really irking me.

[Kinetic]

I think I started to understand...

- From the Journal of Jardor Calol

Lynch Count is reached.

Due to this being the first day I will give everyone a bit of time to send in their actions.

I will try and replace Tenchi BEFORE the next day, if possible.

The Eighth Vote Count

1. (1)
   Mr. Flay -
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (0) fuzzylightning -
   
4. (0) MacavityLock -
   
5. (0) Seraphim -
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (0) Benmage -
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (1)
   Tenchi - hasdgfas
   
10. (1)
    Albert B. Rampage -
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (0) Mastermind of Sin -
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (2)
    Shadow Knight - Isacc, xxFabianxx
    
17. (0) Mufasa -
    
18. (2)
    SpyreX - Albert B. Rampage, Mr. Flay
    
19. (14)
    xxFabianxx - Mastermind of Sin, Shadow Knight, SpyreX, Knight of Cydonia, Benmage, Kison, Sajin, Moratorium, Kairyuu, fuzzylightning, Seraphim, armlx, Faraday, Mufasa
    
20. (0) Myndrunner -
    
21. (0) Faraday -
    
22. (1)
    Sajin - MrBuddyLee
    
23. (0) hasdgfas -
    
24. (0) Knights of Cydonia -
    
25. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
26. (0) Kison -

Votes Required to Lynch:

14

Not Voting (5): julienvonwolfe, Tenchi, Slicey, Tuberkulos, Myndrunner

FoS Count

1. (3)
   Mr. Flay - Faraday, Mastermind of Sin, Seraphim
   
2. (0) Isacc -
   
3. (0) fuzzylightning -
   
4. (0) MacavityLock -
   
5. (1)
   Seraphim - armlx
   
6. (0) julienvonwolfe -
   
7. (0) Benmage -
   
8. (0) Kairyuu -
   
9. (0) Tenchi -
   
10. (1)
    Albert B. Rampage - Isacc
    
11. (0) armlx -
    
12. (0) Slicey -
    
13. (1)
    Mastermind of Sin - xxFabianxx
    
14. (0) Tuberkulos -
    
15. (0) Moratorium -
    
16. (2)
    Shadow Knight - Cyberbob, MacavityLock
    
17. (2)
    Mufasa - Knight of Cydonia, fuzzylightning
    
18. (1)
    SpyreX - hasdgfas
    
19. (1)
    xxFabianxx - Benmage
    
20. (0) Myndrunner -
    
21. (1)
    Faraday - Albert B. Rampage
    
22. (0) Sajin -
    
23. (0) hasdgfas -
    
24. (1)
    Knights of Cydonia - Kairyuu
    
25. (0) MrBuddyLee -
    
26. (0) Kison -

Not FoSing (20): MacavityLock, julienvonwolfe, Kairyuu, Tenchi, Albert B. Rampage, Slicey, Tuberkulos, Moratorium, Shadow Knight, Mufasa, SpyreX, Myndrunner, Sajin, MrBuddyLee, Kison, fuzzylightning

Current Deadline:

May 22, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

Second Mod Deadline Review:

May 8, 2009 at ~11:59 PM EDT (GMT -4)

[Kairyuu]

@Benmage: Because I was scum, and therefore knew the WHOLE TIME that there were no Black Ajah in the game. Also, nice job ignoring the rest of my post, as well as my comment on the last page.

[Benmage]

@Benmage: Fabian pretty much just confirmed that he was scum, and given that he DID NOT KNOW when the Power was channeled, he has no Aes Sedai partners to tell him when it was channeled. One Truth Prevails!

I don’t understand how this is a point….soo sorry I missed it…

You really want me to comment...on your comments?? Alrighty than…

Pfft. Now you're actually outright calling me ignorant. Do not imply, or directly state, that I am stupid/ignorent/anything else insulting. I do not take kindly to insults.

Than stop sucking…

I know the source material. Don't preach to me.

Doesn’t seem like it.

The mod clearly mentioned something. I find it extremely odd that people can actually look at a statement made by the mod and say that it is wrong. Switch on the logic center of your brains people.

Than why are you ignoring the statement in the mini by the mod of the possibility of Black Ajah??

Unless I'm right, in which case suggesting it will prevent the stupid lynching of town power roles.

How does this prevent power roles being lynched?? Or if reversed, how would the existence of Black AS increase power role lynching?

My allegiance is to the town. I am not Aes Sedai of any form.

That deff sounds like something a Black AS would say .

[julienvonwolfe]

I'm sorry that I've not been here, I've been working on an assignment.

[Isacc]

Hey, Isacc, hammer please.

Oh woops, I thought someone had said they hammered already.

[Kairyuu]

@Benmage:

I don’t understand how this is a point….soo sorry I missed it…

Read it. Fabian, who is a claimed scum, had to guess as to whether the Power was channeled or not. He got it WRONG. Therefore, he had no source of information on the subject. In other words, he did not know because he did not have a Black Ajah Aes Sedai partner to stop him from being stupid.

Than stop sucking…

I told you not to insult me. AD HOM HAS NO PLACE HERE!

@Mod: Please replace, or at the very least warn, Benmage. There is no reason that, after seeing what happened to Albert when he used ad hom, he should be able to get away with it.

I am going to ignore you until you either die or get replaced. I do not tolerate people who must resort to ad hom. I gave you no reason to be rude, and even told you to back off. You didn't listen. Therefore, you are what people call an asshat. Stop trying to ruin other people's enjoyment and back the fuck off already.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Am I the only one who finds Isacc's defense of Fabian pretty damning at this point?

[Mufasa]

We still don't know Fabians role

[Benmage]

@Benmage:

I don’t understand how this is a point….soo sorry I missed it…

Read it. Fabian, who is a claimed scum, had to guess as to whether the Power was channeled or not. He got it WRONG. Therefore, he had no source of information on the subject. In other words, he did not know because he did not have a Black Ajah Aes Sedai partner to stop him from being stupid.

Than stop sucking…

I told you not to insult me. AD HOM HAS NO PLACE HERE!

@Mod: Please replace, or at the very least warn, Benmage. There is no reason that, after seeing what happened to Albert when he used ad hom, he should be able to get away with it.

I am going to ignore you until you either die or get replaced. I do not tolerate people who must resort to ad hom. I gave you no reason to be rude, and even told you to back off. You didn't listen. Therefore, you are what people call an asshat. Stop trying to ruin other people's enjoyment and back the fuck off already.

Your the one taking it so personal...since when is an opinion of a player sucking at this game offensive?? Sorry not everyone starts out good..its pretty much a learned thing. What do you think omgus stands for? In my opinion your style was bad...however i did miss a very nice point, as follow:

But anyways to your good point that I missed. Assuming Fab does flip scum (as someone mentioned we don't know his role yet) Than yes that is strong evidence that there may not be Black AS. Unless he acted irrationally without asking them, or if the df team doesn't know all their networks... However that is stretching speculation and if he does flip I scum I agree with your probable assumption of no black AS.

[SpyreX]

If Fabian flips scum power role, Issac is going up the tree.

As for the Black Ajah crusade: assuming a threat is much easier to deal with than not assuming one and being blindsided by it. You want to assume that EVERY Aes Sedai that comes out is town, fine.

Thing is, after all this, if we see one Black Ajah flip I'm gunning for your lynch. Thats it. No remorse, no questions.

[Isacc]

Am I the only one who finds Isacc's defense of Fabian pretty damning at this point?

1.) I never "defended" Fabian. I had no reason to disbelieve the claim, especially when the two "counterclaims" were from people I had no reason to trust. I didn't defend him however, I simply chose not to support the lynch.

2.) Not supporting a lynch is a pretty weak scumtell, regardless of who is lynched. I could just as reasonably claim that some of the people on Fabian's wagon were scum bussing.

3.) Now, I may be arrogant here, but I'm a bit insulted by how stupid you must think I am. Let's say I was scum and Fabian was one of my buddies. Do you honestly think I would support him through an obviously false claim that he detected the one power? I'd have to mentally challenged to not bus a partner who was dumb enough to make that mistake. Moral of the story is, consider motivations. Do you honestly think I would act this way if I was scum?

If Fabian flips scum power role, Issac is going up the tree.

Thing is, after all this, if we see one Black Ajah flip I'm gunning for your lynch. Thats it. No remorse, no questions.

These two lines together show a pretty short-sighted mindset and completely ignore the fact that mafia is played by humans, ergo imperfect beings. We're all allowed to have opinions, and we're all allowed to be wrong. You're placing too much weight on one single comment here.

[SpyreX]

Shh I'm busy SCUMHUNTING.

You opted to ignore the scenario where chances were highly probable that one party was lying for some grandiose claim of scumhunting that, oddly enough, wasn't ever followed through.

Not to mention I could just copy your three bullet points as reasons to lynch.

But, cart before the horse. We'll see what the flip is before you are done.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Am I the only one who finds Isacc's defense of Fabian pretty damning at this point?

1.) I never "defended" Fabian. I had no reason to disbelieve the claim, especially when the two "counterclaims" were from people I had no reason to trust. I didn't defend him however, I simply chose not to support the lynch.

2.) Not supporting a lynch is a pretty weak scumtell, regardless of who is lynched. I could just as reasonably claim that some of the people on Fabian's wagon were scum bussing.

3.) Now, I may be arrogant here, but I'm a bit insulted by how stupid you must think I am. Let's say I was scum and Fabian was one of my buddies. Do you honestly think I would support him through an obviously false claim that he detected the one power? I'd have to mentally challenged to not bus a partner who was dumb enough to make that mistake. Moral of the story is, consider motivations. Do you honestly think I would act this way if I was scum?

If you're stupid enough to not realize Fabian is scum when you're town, then you're stupid enough to support him when everyone else realizes he's scum. You're not really making a good case for your intelligence, here.

[Knight of Cydonia]

On one hand, I'm fucking pissing myself laughing at the sheer level of ineptitude dsiplayed by Fabian. On the other, I'm mildly annoyed I didn't get to choose where I slept because I was kinda not expecting things to blow up so massively that I didn't get a chance. Oh well.

In other news - is Fabian (somehow) isn't bullshitting about being a death miller, Mufasa, who has probably been one of the most useless players in this game by a mile, hammered him. Excellent.

MrBuddyLee - Erm... what the funk? You retaliate at Slicey for accusing you of buddying to me, then when I also mention that your posts look nothing like buddying, you whip up a Slicey/KoC/(Insert any of about 5 suspects here) scumteam? What the hell are you smoking, and can I have some?

[Mr. Flay]

I'm with KoC on this one. 8+ votes and a hammer in 30 hours? What the hell? I realize the guy self-destructed, but damn... if Fabian does flip non-Darkfriend/town, I'll have to wonder if it wasn't scum running up somebody they knew wasn't their own so they could lock in their choices after daytalking.

On the other hand, maybe he's exactly what he said he was...a Doctor/Deputy/Supersaint/Saidarin-channeler/Death Miller, with a cherry on top.

According to the signup thread, we won't find out his role until Daybreak. It doesn't seem profitable to speculate during 'twilight' on who the next lynch should be.

[Mastermind of Sin]

MBL is being pretty generically useless to this game. He is smart enough to know that going around randomly asking people questions to get *them* to contribute is no substitution for actually contributing, yet very few of his posts have contained anything besides that.

[Slicey]

Reading, on page 10. Fabian's claim seems believable as of now. My biggest suspect right now is Shadow Knight, who was doing setup speculating, trying to out Aes Sedai, who may be power roles, and then disappeared.

Minor suspects are ABR (not really providing reasons for voting) and BuddyLee (buddying up towards KoC)

Slicey,

Please explain how my posts show a "buddying up" to Knight of Cydonia and not to Sajin or SpyreX. If you're too lazy to look them up again, here are my questions to KoC:

Knight of Cydonia, please tell us who you suspect and why.

Right now? On Day 1 with 6 pages of role speculation and bullshit about how best we can do the scum's job by outing potential Aes Sedai for them? Pretty damn much everyone stupid enough to take part in such a worthless sidetrack, because the more of this deliberately obfuscating crap clogs up the thread, the harder finding scum becomes, and I'm pretty damn sure that most of this crap is coming from scum.

So who would that be, in order from worst to least offenders?

In case you didn't notice, I said I only read up to Page 10 so far. I saw only those two posts by you so far, and it kinda stuck out to me as "buddying" for lack of a better word towards KoC. It's hardly worth a vote or even an FoS (although I think Fabian just got lynched, ugh I'm still so far behind ;~;) It's more like an IGMEOY. My opinion on you may change, bus based on those two posts, you are a

little bit

scummy.

[Isacc]

If you're stupid enough to not realize Fabian is scum when you're town, then you're stupid enough to support him when everyone else realizes he's scum. You're not really making a good case for your intelligence, here.

That's terrible logic, insulting, wrong, and doesn't actually prove any point. Good job.