I will post this again. This was my thought process as the night went on and the conclussions I arrived at following that discussion.SensFan wrote:He actually brings up an incredibly valid point.Raging Wishbone wrote:No, you repeat after me.ortolan wrote:Repeat after me. W-I-F-O-M.
...Anyway why would a townie care whether they were the L-1 or the L vote on a wagon? Why would you comment on it to begin with?Plays that are bad for any alingment aren't scumtells. Why would town do this? No idea. Why would scum do this? No idea. Why is scum more likely to do this than town, then? They aren't.
Why were you willing to be the L-1 vote, but not the hammer?
As far as my specific comment,Raging Wishbone wrote:This was actually an extremely long exchange which consisted of four pages and I think lasted over six hours and I became extremely sloppy as the night came to an end. I am comfortable with my vote on Yos, even at putting them at L1 and will answer any questions if they flip Town. After putting more thought into the matter I feel it was a good lynch, I began the day defending them because I was not confident that the bread crumbing was enough for them to be wagoned as hard as they were. I wanted to start a discussion which would generate a dilaog to invloved more players and more opinions. I felt the responses on why yoso was the best lynch by other players who added their thoughts seemed reasonable. I was not impressed by Nuwens long post at the end of the evening, I felt thier were contradictions and errors in logic. The im conversation really hit a nerve and reminded me of how in LB, scum used the posting of daytalk to make themselves seem more Townie. Some of the daytalk from the scum teams were the most convincing. After having gone through that extremely long day/night, I felt good about casting my vote. I do believe that is a lynch and we will find out shortly if it was good or not.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:Ah I see your point upon rereading. I think you're earlier mention you highlighted the reluctance to be the hammer but happy to be the L-1 vote which doesn't make much difference.Yosariwen wrote:Sure they are.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote: The reasons for your vote on RW isn't incredibly logical if you stop to think about it.
When RW thought I was going to be lynched without his help, he defended me, trying to position himself so he'd look good when I died.
THen, when hogfather unvoted me and it looked like I might survive, he voted me, to make sure that didn't happen. The reasons for his switch were very weak, and made very little sense.
The whole flip there really looks like a scum manuever.
I would put them at L1 but not hammer
. That was a sloppy post, it was one of the last posts I made that evening and I should have explained myself better. I should have used a paragraph instead of a sentence. It was a caveat because I had not had the chance to speak with my partner yet, and the purpoe of putting "dont hammer" was because I was hoping no one would hammer them until everyone got the chance to read their defense in case we were wrong. I was hoping a few different things; once RR saw the exchange he wold unvote if he felt it was a bad vote. He did not, it was a good lynch! There was another part in the exchange that evening when I voted for them and unvoted, then revoted. If it was a bus it was done pretty piss poor... Considering the fact a few people could not understand half of what I was writing towards the end of the night, it does not surprise me that I need to answer some questions today. @Poker/Tajo - Actually it is not all being "Wishy-Washy". Me and RR disagree on a few of our reads. I believe the final scum is within the group of four who did not vote for Yos. I think it is a mistake to search elsewhere for bussing, etc.. when there so many things which should be explored within that group right now. I think now that we have the discussion moving forward, we can weed through the BS. As far as my reads are as follows...
Death the Hog - Best candidate, was on the Yoso wagon, then bailed when it started to seem like they would be lynched. If there was a bus I strongly feel this was it...
Plum/DGB - I understand DGB's reasoning for not be present and completely understand. I still question why she is not concentrating on her top three scum reads and why they are not doing any real scum hunting.
J-Scope - Plenty of good posts, articulate and analytical. I have a town read.
Poker/Tajo - I have a town read, I have not thought they have done anything scummy. I would like to hear more from Tajo.
FrogDodge - Town read very in depth posts. Started a good wagon on Yoso.
SexEd - Another Pro Town Read so far.
ZMD - Really not that active, I have a really difficult time reading them.
Hoops - Protown read so far.
NYBall/Pesco - Not really sure, since Pesco got busy and could not post anymore. I look forward to hearing more from NYBAlls.
Apples and Bannas - I have a pro-townish read.
As you can see Me and RR disagree on a few, however for the most part we both have teh same top suspects and both agree on our vote for Death.
