Still trying to remember:
forbiddanlight
VP Baltar
farside22
roflcopter n
SlySly
Sotty7
Forgotten:
Wall-E - Cafeteria Lady (SK) - Lynched Day 3
Waiting to replace any flakers:
MafiaSSK
Amnesia Townie Role PM wrote:You have been hit on the head too many times. You function normally during the day, but at night you forget everything, including where the potty is. You have no special powers. You win with the town.
SlySly post 207 wrote:Looking back over this exchange, I think Wall-E was referring to DGB with his she-who-wont-support-her-claims(of any nature) statement. He was dogging you out about setting up a trap for rolf to give you his list of townies. He was dogging DGB out for answering a question you posed to rolf. Whether you truly misunderstood Wall-E's statement, I don't know, but it still seems obvious to me that you were trying to change the meaning of his word 'claims'. Here it is to see for yourself.
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-----------------------roflcopter wrote:ok that was easy
wall-e and julienwolfe are scum, chiefskye is town
vote: wall-e
----------------------Wall-E wrote:yay
-----------------------Wall-E wrote:So if there are any players in this game who want to justify the shit they talk, I'll come back.
-----------------------forbiddanlight wrote:So, who's town rofl?
-----------------------DrippingGoofball wrote:Why, you want him to give you a list of players to nightkill? Do you want them in order of 'most townie' to 'least townie' to make it even easier?forbiddanlight wrote:So, who's town rofl?
------------------------Wall-E wrote:You have no tact. What if rofl had answered? We'd have TWO scummy players to attack. Now just forbiddan looks scummy and you've ruined it. Intentionally?DrippingGoofball wrote:Why, you want him to give you a list of players to nightkill? Do you want them in order of 'most townie' to 'least townie' to make it even easier?forbiddanlight wrote:So, who's town rofl?
-------------------------Wall-E wrote:I was more curious about roflcopter than interested in looking pro-town by pointing out a blatantly scummy and clearly trap-play by forbiddanlight, oh she-who-shall-not-back-her-claims-with-supporting-arguments.DrippingGoofball wrote:FALLACY ALERTWall-E wrote:You have no tact. What if rofl had answered? We'd have TWO scummy players to attack.
SCUMDAR READING ON WALL-E EXCEEDS CAPACITY
SCUMDAR DEVICE NOT DESIGNED FOR USE IN EXTREME CONDITIONS
DEVICE IS FIRE HAZARD
PLEASE USE EXTINGUISHER IMMEDIATELY
---------------------------forbiddanlight wrote:What claims. I don't think I've made any thus far.
I was more curious about roflcopter than interested in looking pro-town by pointing out a blatantly scummy and clearly trap-play by forbiddanlight, oh she-who-shall-not-back-her-claims-with-supporting-arguments.
With your remark, I assumed he was referring to you, but I don't think he was after reading it over again. I think you browsed the statement lightly, assumed he was referring to you, changed the context of the meaning of what he was saying and asked him a setup question to attack him after his response. I wouldn't think so, as much, if you weren't so willing to get into a semantics war with me.
I doubt anyone would disagree with me that saying "I haven't made any claims" in this game implies (role)claim.
rajrhcpfreak Post 425 wrote:ok i did a quick reread since i was busy easter weekend. and also the fact i neglected the game last week.
ok lets get one thing out of the way. im sorry to VP for my last post, my lack of concentration in the game casued me to confuse the person attacking me, slysly, and the person voting for me.
now lets clear this up...
i will go over what ive done. i thought the town needed info. so i bandwagoned someone. i thought that farside had more votes on her and that a shameless wagon on an experienced player will cause scum to foam at the mouth and jump on.
i was wrong i was only the second person. but to my suprise people did jump fast. and the good players of the town started questioning some of the badwagoners. and then we have one of them back off to avoid suspicion.
now that same person who was so loose to "random" bandwagon someone is a prude about voting anyone else. is she afraid of having to back her vote up? she is the lynch today.
not sure what to do next since i saw chief was caught. i posted this early in her bandwagon:
so my quick switch to chief later was not me being random and opportunistic of another bandwagon, i was acknowledging the fact that the bandwagon on farside indeed ran its course and when i said legitimate bandwagon has formed, i meant what is implied by those two post: farside vote was to gain info i feel chief is scummy, the latter is legitimate.rajrhcpfreak wrote:farside22 wrote:There is 2 games I can think of. One was You are what you eat. I was pretty hard on Raj in that game. Then this game:VP Baltar wrote:Can you explain just a bit so we know where you are coming from.farside wrote:Raj I think was getting me back for the last game we were in.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9412
Some people I know just vote because they know people. So Raj's vote didn't surprise me.
@Xdamm: I brought up my comments because of your comment implied I was scum with another player who voted for me.
i dont hold grudges. well maybe only on EK.
but i forgot that i was in both of those games with you.
i saw a good chance to bandwagon an experienced player early. i thought it would get some good info.
my scumdar is going crazy on ChiefSkye4. but i dont know if the farside bandwagon has reached it's full potential.
i beleive i mentioned that people were taking my votes out of context and that if you looked my my posts post-by-post then you would see my train of thought. walle soon does this.
before this i thought wall-e was passively attacking me which made me suspicious. since the fact i am a loose cannon, he wouldnt want to piss me off early.
but later, when he could have jumped on with the rest of the crowd, he didnt he actually did look at my posts by themselves and defended me. he is not the lynch today. and not because hes defending me and hes on my good side, its because scum would ahve supported me as an easy lynch.
slysly then attacks me and tries to get me in a catch22 since i am not allowed to clarify what i meant, this makes me very frustrated since i delt with a simmular problem in a newbie that just finished. since the newbie was near the end game i was putting my effort into that game. for the record i am fully committed to this game now.
VP jumps on my bandwagon... doesnt look like any reasoning at this point. kinda hypocritical since one of slysly's points was me borrowing evidence. and here we have someone joining and pretty adament about it with out any new info to convict me.
then i lurk, and give vp a reason. not to mention i confuse vp and slysly and call vp an douche. sorry again, that should have been directed at slysly.
now some recaps on some people....
DG has been very protown this whole game i dont approve of her lynch.
farside has been neutral to me.
walle like i said was townish.
slysly is not helping the town
vp is tunneling on me, and for a while now. not helpful to town.
roff and xadd has been quiet townies that solund protown for now.
sotty has been helpful to town.
jul needs to vote or hes antitown. if you dont vote then you arnt helping.
forb votes for the mod... multiple times, or mentions more than its needed. argues with walle for pages in walls of text that only he would read and its not like hes going to give up and say, "you got me, im mafia", she supports the walle wagon which i think is scummy. there is nothing there that screams to me that shes town so i think she is on the antitown side.
and then chief. her play is anti town. shamelessly bandwagons then in shame she removed. blames it on RVS, aka a copout. then metas it, and claims she doesn't vote until shes 90%. her actions in the beginning by throwing votes around and her claimed meta and her actions in the later part of the game contradicts each other. if you are leaning on the meta then make sure it is consistent. having inconsistencies doesn't make it a meta, it just makes it look like your using meta as a crutch for anything you don't want to explain.
ps. too many women in the game. usually when playing you all dont have names its female #1 and female #2. or old female (elvis) and hot female (darq). but this game has so many i cant keep track the sex of everyone. so if i messed up your sex in my recap, sorry.
im kinda joking, but guys are usually easier for me to remember because of the type of avatar. rof for the rest of the game will be a bunny to me and VP coach from survivor, that might be another reason i called you a douche.
roflcopter post 481 wrote:my scumdar may have sucked something awful in wih, but my towndar was as well tuned as ever - especially in the case of juls, who you went mindlessly apeshit on, as scum. your threat of going mindlessly apeshit on chief here is eerily similar, especially with the arbitrary reason given.DrippingGoofball wrote:Maybe I lost faith in your scumdar....roflcopter wrote:hmm. lynch ultimatums from dgb on someone i firmly believe is town. why am i suddenly reminded of your play in war in heaven II?DrippingGoofball wrote:If you don't answer by Friday, I'm LOCKING MY VOTE on you for the rest of the day. Thanks.DrippingGoofball wrote:ChiefSkye, who are your current, non-random main suspects and why?
war in heaven II - dgb scum threatens juls with unthinking, unfeeling death if juls does not stop proxying her action to abr
amesia mafia - dgb (???) threatens chiefskye with unflinching, unchanging death if chief does not respond by friday
both reasons (proxy voting, not responding) are broadly anti town, sure, but not necessarily scummy
anyway,
unvote, vote: wall-e
SlySly post 658 wrote:raj may get lynched today, but it won't be by my hands. He is telling the truth about his claim. The truth of his claim makes him town in my eyes and I don't want to lynch town. I'm not looking for a convenient wagon to jump on like some others in this game.roflcopter wrote:slysly, get with the program. we are lynching raj today no matter how hard you rail against fl. also she's obvtown.
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Nope, my protown pm only specifies my role, unlike yours which tells you your role and all the members of your group.forbiddanlight wrote: Oh, you don't know who all the scum are already, scumbag?
Wall-E post 505 wrote:If I die today I want roflecopter dead tomorrow or tonight. Not a false dilemma: rofl has no idea how to play mafia and he's ruining the game for the town regardless of his alignment. Nobody else I've ever played mafia with would get away with pushing a wagon with no justification for an entire day and get no negative attention for it, and the fact that he is getting away with it means people are 1 not paying attention or 2 letting him get away with it out of long-term exasperation, which is anti-town on everyone's part.roflcopter wrote:cry me a river, scumwall-e wrote:You have given zero justification for this vote.
It's breaking my brain how nobody else agrees with this (or nobody has yet stated this same emotion)
SlySly post 660 wrote:I have already stated enough reason as to why raj's claim is true. You even took offense to it.forbiddanlight wrote: And how do you KNOW raj is telling the truth? Are you the SK?
I am not an SK. Did you miss my last post where I clearly stated my pm is protown? SK is not protown.
elvis_knits post 738 wrote:Vote Count:
rajrhcpfreak - 7 - VP Baltar, Chiefskye4, forbiddanlight, rofl, Wall-E, DGB, Sotty7
forbiddanlight - 2 - raj, Slysly
DGB - 1 - Xdaamno
SlySly - 1 - farside
Not voting:
julienvonwolfe
You gather in your feetsie pajamas and bunny slippers, and agree to collect all the ace bandages from your head wounds and make a noose. You string up rajrhcpfreak, and watch him hang.
rajrhcpfreak - Psychiatrist - Lynched Day 1
It is now night. Choices due in 48 hours. Posts will disappear when night ends.
forbiddanlight wrote:Yes, please.DGB wrote:Shall I reveal then?forbiddanlight wrote:Because I have a different theory. But mine depends on your player.
ChiefSkye wrote:
Any particular reason why you waltzed out and claimed without any suspicion? But, aside from that, yeah, you should reveal.
Wall-E wrote:I've seen two different people say something wrong here.
Roleblocking julienvonwolfe would've prevented julienvonwolfe from USING a power, not being the TARGET of a power. People saying that xdaamno didn't die because he hid with julien are just wrong, according to xdaamno's role. According to xdaamno's supposed role, he doesn't die if he hides with scum who are targeted to be NKd.
julienvonwolfe dies and conveniently a roleclaim appears that exonerates xdaamno right after DGB's claim... I don't buy it. The chances are too slim. Sorry.
Volunteering to be the hammer.
roflcopter wrote:what, today? i'll give you my opinion in a flowery narrative prose just for kicks
chapter 2
arriving late on the scene, wall-e spouts "oh my god, you suck!" at forbiddanlight before realizing that the eccentric but dangerously effective drippinggoofball caught his partner in the act of attempting to kill someone in the night. taking stock of his options, the adorable robot attempts to quell his fears of being left alone and takes the only route left to him - throwing his partner under the bus as hard as he possibly can. in order to legitimize this turn of event, mr. e attempts to spam his way into the wagon's driver's seat ex post facto. honk honk!
and don't miss tomorrow's thrilling conclusion, where the last member of the scum team is dragged kicking and screaming to the gallows. ratings hype go!
SlySly wrote:I have been a scum roleblocker before. You could be scum RB in this game. You could also just be a lying scum goon. Let's examine a few more things that happened after this...DrippingGoofball wrote:Hey guys
I'm a roleblocker.
I roleblocked a player.
There was (I assume) not mafia kill, but only a vig kill.
Any reason why we shouldn't lynch the player I targeted last night?
First. you plant artificial SK suspicion to build town support to kill the vig if you are successful in exposing the vig.
I ask once...DrippingGoofball wrote:Actually the vig kill may be the SK...
Question ignored.SlySly wrote: DGB, do you know for sure the action you blocked was a kill attempt and not that of a non-killing action?
Finally, DGB reveals the target of her fakeclaim...
Now tries to lay the SK tag on me and fakeclaims to have RB'd X...DrippingGoofball wrote:I blocked Xdaamo.
Now she fake claims to have coinflipped to decide between JVW and X. Then tries to paint her role on X as she was the disposable goon doing the mafia NK on X but she was enfuriated by his role blocking her kill so she comes out in day 2 with a guns blazing fake claim to frame X.DrippingGoofball wrote:Yesterday, I suspected SlySly of being SK (especially after raj really was a psych after all), Xdaamo, and JVW. I name these players towards the end of the day yesterday. I didn't really suspect a third mafiate.
Then distances herself from the guilt of the town flip of X...DrippingGoofball wrote: So with this in mind, I tried a wild guess that betweenf JVW and Xdaamo, Xdaamo would the the disposable goon to do the kill. Unless there were other role mechanics in play last night, he was the killer.
I try to get an answer to my previous question again...DrippingGoofball wrote:The only reason I'm not voting for Xdaamo is because you guys are doing a pretty fast job of it, and he still needs to claim.
Once again, no reponse.SlySly wrote:If you know for sure his action was a killing action, I support X's lynch. I don't want to lynch him based on your claim if you don't know for sure that the blocked action was a killing action.DrippingGoofball wrote: Unless there were other role mechanics in play last night, he was the killer.
DGB then again imposes her will to put herself in the driver's seat so she can attempt to steer town opinion down the wrong path, as she did at the end of day 1...
X finally chimes in telling everyone what to look at if he flips town...DrippingGoofball wrote:We need to hear about everyone.
NO HAMMER.
After we everyone has checked in, we can discuss a course of action.
Then he makes his claim...Xdaamno wrote: Before you lynch me, make sure you read over DGB's claim and decide what could have gone wrong if I flip town.
X gives his list of possibilities...Xdaamno wrote:Ah, roleclaim: hider
I share the fate of whoever I target, but do not die if I target scum. Targeted julienvonwolfe last night.
DGB discredits any possibilities that will discredit her fakeclaim...Xdaamno wrote:So, here are the possibilities:
1. I am scum
2. DGB is scum, lying
3. DGB is town, other role stopped kill
4. Scum has no kill
2, 3 and 4 are all reasonable, so yes, I agree that people should check in.
Others understandably take some jabs at X's claim and X responds with...DrippingGoofball wrote:Only 1 and 3 are reasonable.
So, if what X is saying here is true "my role means if I'm targeted for a kill, I don't die" there is a strong possibility that ...Xdaamno wrote:No no no, I never claimed that. I meant I did not nessecarily die if I hid with scum. It's not like the scum would be likely to be NK'd, but that's irrelevant.Wall-E wrote:Wait, xdaamno messed up!
Xdaamno claims that the reason he didn't die with julienvonwolfe last night is because he doesn't die if he hides with scum. But he was also roleblocked, and the necessity for that caveat to his fakeclaim is nullified. But he didn't think of that when he made up his roleclaim. What's the opposite of double-jeopardy?
And... err... my role means if I'm targeted for a kill, I don't die. Sorry, I was a little dopey in my last few posts. I should have realised this.
Unvote, Vote: DGB
Still no other claims for the lack of a kill?
1. X targeted JVW and successfully killed the mafia GF
2. DGB is mafia targetting X for NK and X's role RBs DGB's kill attempt.
3. 1 + 2 = perfect explanation of N1's death count in an SK-less game.
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I am not an SK. If I were an SK, VP Baltar would be dead.
roflcopter wrote:wall-e is apparently too dumbfounded by how right i am about everything to post since this, and in the meantime the thread has become cluttered with slysly's misinterpretations of the claims. remember folks, wall-e is the third scum.roflcopter wrote:what, today? i'll give you my opinion in a flowery narrative prose just for kicks
chapter 2
arriving late on the scene, wall-e spouts "oh my god, you suck!" at forbiddanlight before realizing that the eccentric but dangerously effective drippinggoofball caught his partner in the act of attempting to kill someone in the night. taking stock of his options, the adorable robot attempts to quell his fears of being left alone and takes the only route left to him - throwing his partner under the bus as hard as he possibly can. in order to legitimize this turn of event, mr. e attempts to spam his way into the wagon's driver's seat ex post facto. honk honk!
and don't miss tomorrow's thrilling conclusion, where the last member of the scum team is dragged kicking and screaming to the gallows. ratings hype go!
elvis_knits wrote:Vote Count:
Xdaamno - 6 - chiefskye, sotty, VP Baltar, farside, roflcopter, DGB
Not Voting:
forbiddanlight
Wall-E
Xdaamno
SlySly
With 10 Alive, 6 to lynch!
It was just another day in the mental ward. You all had a good time watching cartoons and to cap off a perfectly wonderful day, you decide to kill Xdaamno.
Xdaamno - Bed Hopper (Hider) - Lynched Day 2
It is now night 2! Choices in 48 hours por favor!
The same but he was cleared as I recall. Still don't like where he has been this game.VP Baltar wrote:Does this medical ward have any swine flu anti-viral meds?
On a serious note:
farside, how do you feel about SlySly now after the Wall-E and DGB flips?
Depends on the mod. I have done both and I have done one where town has an RB and scum dont and one where scum had an RB and town didn'tVP Baltar wrote:Question for people with more experience than me...is it common for games with a town roleblocker to be balanced with a scum roleblocker?