DHSDSM alpha: Game Over.

[whoami8]

why so protective of sex w/ shafted's wife... ?

We always use protection. Duh.

Also, why did you vote frog dodging when when there was a perfectly good wagon on incamnito? Rabbits like wagons. Also, you studiously avoided OMGUSing yosariwen.

vote trotsky

[whoami8]

oh and

vote: frog dodging

hasn't posted yet.

What made YOU single out the Frog, when you obviously knew about a number of non-posters?

I believe he was going for irony, maybe sarcasm.

I'm leaning town in Incamn.

Here's a question for everyone - how many lynches do you think would be ideal in the next action block, if any?

Could we have more discussion of the above please. We need to break the set up quickly if we're going to do it at all.

[whoami8]

Also, why did you vote frog dodging when when there was a perfectly good wagon on incamnito? Rabbits like wagons. Also, you studiously avoided OMGUSing yosariwen.

i'm not just a rabbit, i'm also gone with the blastwave, dear. you can stop applying only those parts of our collective meta that fit whatever accusation you're trying to make.

and irony>OMGUS.

I believe he was going for irony, maybe sarcasm.

on the one hand, this; on the other, one half of me saw jd online and the lack of posting in here.

Anyone who calls me dear, can die. I prefer other adoratios.

Also, maybe it was korts who posted while not bandwagoning. Okay. You can null that reason. But you posed a question to yosariwen. It points out an inconsistency in yosariwen's play, implying scumminess. It's so important to you that you're asking twice for an answer. But you didn't vote them? Why?

[whoami8]

OK this game needs to move quicker, the only role that heavily benefits the the town during the night phase without risk of repurcussions is the Cop. Turning this into a nightless game is better odds on town then trading Cop investigations for either 2 scum kills, or 1 scum/1 comp vig kill.

yosariwen: care to reply to my earlier question?

Why are you still fishing for this after you yourself making a joke of the action?

Goofball, did you learn any scumtells from playing with Nuwen and Yos2?

[whoami8]

so you want him speed-lynched without posting in the game once?

[whoami8]

wow just had sex with the wife ironically enough. No time for a post but have to say this deep south thing is exciting. Damn shame incamn was being so obviously townie.

So Yos noticed the tracker breadcrumb. why did you point it out so blatantly?

[whoami8]

The wagon on Incamnito grew way too quickly, imo. Pesco Light, especially, seemed to be voting for a comment the Mod said couldn't be backed up, due to talking about the other game.

Unvote, Vote: Pesco

Yeah that's a brilliant scum strategy. Run up a player to a premature wagon thus drawing attention to yourself and then kill said player confirming the player you were attempting to mislynch but got bored of waiting for was actually town.

[whoami8]

Sex w/ shafteds wife club, why is it a shame that incam was being townie?

Because now he's a dead tracker.

[whoami8]

Sex w/ shafteds wife club, why is it a shame that incam was being townie?

Because now he's a dead tracker.

Aye, but surely it's better that he looked town than that he looked scummy.

Also, perhaps it would have been better if people hadn't been spending their whole time shouting "OMG he's soooo town"

Yes why in god's name would I want people to stop bandwagoning an obv townie in a speed game? Shame on me!

[whoami8]

There were five on the wagon. Suck one.

Also, what is your point? That we didn't like a wagon on a person who is now revealed town?

[whoami8]

Not the massive three person page 1 bandwagon! Damn, that goes to lynch all the time, gotta be vigilant about that sorta thing.

Learn to read. We need to lynch more than every 84 hrs. This is a speed game, we were wasting time on the Camn wagon.

[whoami8]

I don't get it. What does Portishead have to do with Zmd? It is an inside joke? I want answers!

Are you that dense?

Incamn's crumbing is neutral for now, as there are multiple data roles than can be of either alignment and would benefit from early crumbs. Currently a null tell.

p much

[whoami8]

unless she was further fishing for confirmation of said breadcrumb

[whoami8]

Calling incamn and obv town and complaing not only shows false sympathy but also acts like a Giant "I told you so" to everyone in relation to your earlier post here:

Well i did tell you so. I'm much more subtle as scum, go read more of my games.

79.

Yeah that's a brilliant scum strategy. Run up a player to a premature wagon thus drawing attention to yourself and then kill said player confirming the player you were attempting to mislynch but got bored of waiting for was actually town.

This is actually a good point. Although its possible that if we assume scum killed incamnito and Pesco is scum, other scumpartner could have decided the kill.

A scum partner that is a real ignoramous. So which players would fit that bill?

[whoami8]

Calling incamn and obv town and complaing not only shows false sympathy but also acts like a Giant "I told you so" to everyone in relation to your earlier post here:

Well i did tell you so. I'm much more subtle as scum, go read more of my games.

79.

Yeah that's a brilliant scum strategy. Run up a player to a premature wagon thus drawing attention to yourself and then kill said player confirming the player you were attempting to mislynch but got bored of waiting for was actually town.

This is actually a good point. Although its possible that if we assume scum killed incamnito and Pesco is scum, other scumpartner could have decided the kill.

A scum partner that is a real ignoramous. So which players would fit that bill?

So you really think we can include Pesco and all Incamnito attackers in the prob town list?

Hello Mr. strawman. How many players were actively attacking incamn? How many were bandwagoning for bandwagoning's sake?

[whoami8]

Calling incamn and obv town and complaing not only shows false sympathy but also acts like a Giant "I told you so" to everyone in relation to your earlier post here:

Well i did tell you so. I'm much more subtle as scum, go read more of my games.

79.

Yeah that's a brilliant scum strategy. Run up a player to a premature wagon thus drawing attention to yourself and then kill said player confirming the player you were attempting to mislynch but got bored of waiting for was actually town.

This is actually a good point. Although its possible that if we assume scum killed incamnito and Pesco is scum, other scumpartner could have decided the kill.

A scum partner that is a real ignoramous. So which players would fit that bill?

So you really think we can include Pesco and all Incamnito attackers in the prob town list?

Hello Mr. strawman. How many players were actively attacking incamn? How many were bandwagoning for bandwagoning's sake?

Ok. My bad.
Do you really think we can call Pesco town?

Early pot stirrers are sticking their neck out in a quick paced game like this. I'm finding her more likely than not to be town.

[whoami8]

If that's what you thought then why didn't jump on yosariwen with a vote. This game is suppose to go quickly right?

As has been pointed out it's a stupid move for town or scum. I'm trying to figure out why either Nuwen or Yos would play stupidly.

Also i'm not particularly liking Trotsky much ATM.

[whoami8]

Trotsky never answered my questions.

Ortohoops making a lot of sense.

ZMD is playing scared.

Pescolight doesn't ping scum. Voting mod is expected.

Frog dodging arguing for the sake of arguing. My other head said this is normal regardless of allignment.

I do not have my period.

[whoami8]

It's so important to you that you're asking twice for an answer. But you didn't vote them? Why?

early game irony>>>early game omgus

Why are you still fishing for this after you yourself making a joke of the action?

i don't like my questions being left unanswered

Did you/do you find them scummy?

[whoami8]

Yeah, scared. You're now trying to be active, but with very little scum hunting. That last post, only the last sentence could maybe be described as scum hunting. And even then, it's a really weak probe.

[whoami8]

I get the same impression as Ortohoops as it pertains to Frog Dodging. In a game where activity is important, and several have talked of lynching the lurkers, FD's posts are all basically the definition of active lurking. Summarizes events, doesn't take stances where they can avoid them, and pointing out what he calls a bunch of stupid town plays.

There are others that are "actively lurking" just as much, if not more so. Why single out Frog Dodging?

KMD - I'm not usually that much more than a post-a-day player, really, and I'm the only one whose posted thus far.

It's not like you didn't know what you were signing up for. Step it up.

[whoami8]

Yeah, scared. You're now trying to be active, but with very little scum hunting. That last post, only the last sentence could maybe be described as scum hunting. And even then, it's a really weak probe.

God I'm good at this.

[whoami8]

I get the same impression as Ortohoops as it pertains to Frog Dodging. In a game where activity is important, and several have talked of lynching the lurkers, FD's posts are all basically the definition of active lurking. Summarizes events, doesn't take stances where they can avoid them, and pointing out what he calls a bunch of stupid town plays.

There are others that are "actively lurking" just as much, if not more so. Why single out Frog Dodging?

Also like to note that this is A&B parroting Ragining Wishbone. And I disagree that FD is actively lurking.

[whoami8]

explanation

That's exactly what you're seeing - Wishbone and company asked for an explanation and got one. Are you

really

trying to make a requested response seem scummy?

If reading comprehension is the issue, my point can be summarized as: there was no reason to assume Camn's breadcrumbing came from a town player. Power roles of both alignments have motive to crumb their action, and hitting a power role at random is more likely to hit scum than hitting any play at random.

Your argument is off. You specifically stated "investigative" power role when outing the breadcrumb. Those breakdown 2:1 in towns favor.

unvote vote:Yosariwen

[whoami8]

Why would you assume something before you have reason to assume it? I'd say that Yosariwen pointing out the breadcrumb thus signaling to the scum "HEY-O POWER ROLE HERE" is a much better reason for the kill than to frame 5 people on a bandwagon.

Why are you assuming it was a scum kill, Frog? Especally considering that there were 5 votes on the wagon, I wouldn't at all be surprised if the Incamn kill was a compulsive vig (remember, if there is a compulsive vig, that role has to kill every single action phase, every 96 hours.)

Yes great idea for the town aligned compulsive vig to kill a semi outed tracker 3 pages (?) into the game. They're playing to their A game for sure.

[whoami8]

as there are multiple

data

roles than can be of either alignment and would benefit from early crumbs. Currently a null tell.

That's what I took this to mean

[whoami8]

Speed Game People!

DGB, Seraph, rofl I've seen you around why aren't you here?

[whoami8]

bah freakin alternate accounts

[whoami8]

I agree with Raginwishbone, we need to move faster. We have effectively no-lynched today. We need to do atleast 2 in the next action phase to make up for it.

I think the rolefishing yosariwen needs to die.

[whoami8]

I don't get it. What does Portishead have to do with Zmd? It is an inside joke? I want answers!

Are you that dense?

Incamn's crumbing is neutral for now, as there are multiple data roles than can be of either alignment and would benefit from early crumbs. Currently a null tell.

I didn't read it as a crumb and I still don't upon rereading the post. What do you mean? He was talking about a music album causing him to vote a player, as if the player would understand the vote because of the music album.

In addition to Yoswen pointing out the breadcrumb, we have J-Scope fishing to understand it. One or both need to die faster.

[whoami8]

Jesus what does it take to lynch this scum already? Speed Game people!

[whoami8]

And WTF is J-scope doing FOSing people instead of voting?

[whoami8]

Yes. NOW the town has enough infromation to know that it was, in fact, a scum kill. However, from the way you worded that post, you seemed to KNOW it was a scum kill earlier in the day, at a time when only scum could possibly have known that for a fact, which is why I asked you about it.
-Yos

Great so now both heads of your hyrda are fishing for power roles.

[whoami8]

Yos don't play dumb. You know your comment directed at FD cuts both ways.

[whoami8]

Also I pointed out the same thing BEFORE FD did. Why not berate me for it?

[whoami8]

Yos if you're town I really feel for you. Your hydra partner put you in a bad spot due to, what I agree with you, is a bad theory position. But you have to see it from an outside observers perspective. We can't let something like this slide. It's too glaring to just say "well it doesn't make sense as scum...look a birdie!" There's a very decent chance that scum would make that play.

I appreciate your further attempts at scum hunting, but you need to go.

And while you may be right in general about "too much knowledge", anyone in their right mind would not take incamn's death as that from a vig. It's patently ridiculous, and feels like you trying to point out a shiny object to distract us. Your A&B analysis does give me some town vibes but overall it's not enough. We're already behind schedule. We got lucky with the vig/crosskill but we can't continue to count on those types of events. A lynch needs to happen at least once every three days and you are easily the scummiest player ATM. If you're town go down with a bang and leave what info you can for us to work with.

[whoami8]

You argue that Nuwen did it because power roles are more likely scum, yet no vote incamn was cast and she states herself it's a nulltell. Furthermore as I've pointed out INFORMATION powerroles are NOT more likely scum, as Nuwen alluded to. I don't recall you ever adressing this point as I brought it up. Then there's the discrepency as to whether or not you discussed this ahead of time. Sorry but you just look like scum talking your way out of a bad play.

I ask you again what kind of townie points out a freaking tracker breadcrumb because it's a nulltell? There's even less motivation for that.

[whoami8]

why is Nuwen on AIM but not posting to clear this up. This is so assbackwards

[whoami8]

Yos I'm sorry but I think you're more likely scum than not. We are already behind the curve in regards to lynching and I'm not spending more time tunneling on you than playing. Furthermore if you are town I think you could be spending your time more fruitfully (though i do realize if you're town right now your primary goal is to avoid your own mislynch).

Bottom line Nuwen needs to get her ass in here and explain herself.

Meanwhile where the hell is Hogfather? Both of his heads are much more active than the hydra.

[whoami8]

mercuriala (6:23:50 PM): shafted can take my double work shift and midterm and shove it.

someone asked if this was an illegal post. It isn't. See rule 17.

So, which one of you is scum trying to get me modkilled here? Fess up.

That would be A&B

[whoami8]

Sexy shaft, you need to stop feeling sorry, killing scum should make you happy, they're both very competent players. Their actions were bizarre enough for players of their standards - they've had multiple pressing cases against them in areas not even crumb-outing related. It's not like they're being killed off solely for one mistake.

The town needs to finish off this wagon and kickstart a new one soon.

I agree, my gut is just giving me second thought.

Anyway Yoswen, if you're town please scumhunt in your remaining hours.

[whoami8]

What has PokeaTaj done to make you label them town?

[whoami8]

Their actions were bizarre enough for players of their standards - they've had multiple pressing cases against them in areas not even crumb-outing related

Now, that seems completly untrue to me. What valid argument was there made against me that wasn't entirely based on that one post of Nuwen's?

the explanations after the post

[whoami8]

So who's your guess for remaining scum Yos?

[whoami8]

What has PokeaTaj done to make you label them town?

Tajo is being Tajo, imo... I dont Poker at all, but I cn tell the difference between each of there post. He is so methodical, calculated...he turns it on when he needs to and always provides a threw and threw analysis. He does not try to get just anyone hung, its like (no pun intnded) he is playing poker, he keeps his cards close to the table so no one can see. I have never played with him as scum, but as town...he is exactly the same.

oh and by the by, dont get me wrong; he aint obv town, I will lynch him quicker then you all can type wifom, if he gets scummy, lol.

so why did you put him in the town category? Futhermore why is J-Scope there?

[whoami8]

attempt to prevent the town from lynching further into day 2 noted

[whoami8]

attempt to prevent the town from lynching further into day 2 noted

Attempt not to answer my question noted!

Why did you write Apple and Bannanas tried to get YoSo modkilled?

UNVOTE: VOTE SEXwithED

because they were the only other player online

[whoami8]

Is the rest of the scum team Yoso/nuwen and sexed?

God you suck at this game. I thought I was bad, but jesus. Why in the hell would scum super bus their remaining partner on D2? Get your head out of your ass.

[whoami8]

attempt to prevent the town from lynching further into day 2 noted

Attempt not to answer my question noted!

Why did you write Apple and Bannanas tried to get YoSo modkilled?

UNVOTE: VOTE SEXwithED

because they were the only other player online

Thats a falt out lie, I have not left here!

Time stamp on your first post as of late is 6:33 local for me, on the Mods is 5:56. Try again.

Though Hoops did seem to be posting at the time and I missed it.

LIEEESSS I TELLY OUUURR!

So is Raging Wishbone trying to kill his buddy Yosiwen to distance from them?

[whoami8]

BTW Hoops confirm or deny that you asked the mod about Yos' post.

[whoami8]

The question of who ratted on Yos is a dead end. It looks like my other head guessed A&B because they were online. But for all we know, Yos asked Adel himself, and then pretended to wonder who was trying to get him modkilled. And I think Yos even looking for a rat is ridiculous because if it was illegal, Adel would notice anyway and modkill you. Nobody can "get you modkilled." You have to do something modkillable, and then it would be your fault, not anyone else's even if they point it out to the mod.

Most importantly:

NOBODY NEEDS TO GET YOU MODKILLED SINCE WE ARE LYNCHING YOU.

Yos is pretending there is some conspiracy to modkill him, even though, um there's clearly no need to do that. This "who is trying to get Yos modkilled OMG!!1!1!1" thing is a non issue. Yos is just trying to distract from his lynch.

[whoami8]

RW: read my last post.

[whoami8]

Look, A&B posted at 5:44, and Adel posted the explanation about rule 17 at 5:56. Only other person posting around then was Yosariwen. So it is not unthinkable for anyone to assume A&B notified the mod.

But it could have been any fucking person in the game, who wasn't even posting at the time.

We will never know the truth unless someone fesses up.

And whoever did notify the mod, I would never call that "TRYING TO GET YOS MODKILLED!!!11!" Because nobody can "get a person modkilled." If you do something illegal, it's your fault.

This is a complete waste of time, and derailment of Yos's wagon.

[whoami8]

Nobody can "get you modkilled." You have to do something modkillable, and then it would be your fault, not anyone else's even if they point it out to the mod.

Oh, absolutly. But in my experence, when someone tries to point out to the mod "Person X broke rule Y right here, see, look?" it's usually a scum trying to get a townie modkilled. And between this statement and your other head's attempt to blame apples for it, I'm starting to think it's the two of you who did it, and are now lying about it.

Why do you even think someone was hoping Adel would modkill you? Maybe they wanted to post something similar and wanted to check that it wasn't illegal? YOU DON'T KNOW THE MOTIVATION!

If I did it, I wouldn't lie about it. I'm tempted to say I did it just to stop this pointless speculation, and get back on track lynching you. But alas, I didn't do it.

NOBODY NEEDS TO GET YOU MODKILLED SINCE WE ARE LYNCHING YOU.

Nope. Town almost lynched me, but I'm now starting to think we're going to lynch scum instead.

We ARE lynching scum: YOU!

[whoami8]

Look, A&B posted at 5:44, and Adel posted the explanation about rule 17 at 5:56. Only other person posting around then was Yosariwen. So it is not unthinkable for anyone to assume A&B notified the mod.

[whoami8]

You are a smart guy, Yos. You know when it's time to claim. If you don't do it when you're at L-1, that's your look out.

[whoami8]

Look, A&B posted at 5:44, and Adel posted the explanation about rule 17 at 5:56. Only other person posting around then was Yosariwen. So it is not unthinkable for anyone to assume A&B notified the mod.

I have not left here tonight wanna know who all stopped by in addition to Hoopla (well there was DGB, poker, tajo, nuwen, you, me, sensfan, hog, as well as a few others who i cant remember everyones name yet).

I have no idea who was online at the time someone asked Adel a question. All I know is who posted around then. It was A&B.

[whoami8]

Look, A&B posted at 5:44, and Adel posted the explanation about rule 17 at 5:56. Only other person posting around then was Yosariwen. So it is not unthinkable for anyone to assume A&B notified the mod.

I have not left here tonight wanna know who all stopped by in addition to Hoopla (well there was DGB, poker, tajo, nuwen, you, me, sensfan, hog, as well as a few others who i cant remember everyones name yet).

I have no idea who was online at the time someone asked Adel a question. All I know is who posted around then. It was A&B.

lol right on fair enough.... but can I ask you again don't you think it was a huge mistake to make that assumption about Apples and Banana's?

And let me take a completely different approach than I have tonight so far regarding this matter. Did you see that I wrote a snarky post to him about trying to get yoso modkilled? How many other people who don't read enough (like myself tonight) may have started a wagon on him because either you or your partner blamed him for that and then worst of all tried to defend yourself instead of saying WE are wrong, especially when it is based on a lie (I know everyone who has visited this thread tonight) You all know that he was not the only one around when you or your partner blamed A & B....

Also whoever posted Nuwens aim account was wrong to do so (if I ever want my private im accounts published, I will post them!)...although in this case after playing "war in heaven" with her when she was scum, ti s good thing... her response seemed genuine, I really think she is gonna flip town.

Dude or dudette it just sounds really scummy to me.

I agree it was counterproductive to speculate on who ratted on Yos. My other head did it. I think it was just the first thing he thought of since A&B posted most recently close to Yos's accusation. He can tell you his exact motivations when he posts next. But it just seems off the cuff type of logical assumption based on who posted recently.

But seriously, we're never going to know for sure who did it unless they confess. There's no way we can make someone tell us.

[whoami8]

Yos, I need more info about this:

She had come to the conclusion, before the game started actually, that the right move in this kind of game is to lynch anyone who claims a role or who even hints at a role, becuase a high percentage of people who have roles are scum, and there's of course also a chance that somone who claims or hints at a role is lying about it and also scum. She apparently discussed this with Adel some time ago. So she was not at all reluctent to out someone who seemed to be breadcrumbing a role right from the very start of a game, when there's really no good reason for a pro-town tracker to do so.

I don't understand how anyone could think this is a lynchng claimed power roles is a pro-town strategy.

I don't think any of the working premises are true... like I don't think "a high percentage of people who have [power] roles are scum"

[whoami8]

Sexy shaft, you need to stop feeling sorry, killing scum should make you happy, they're both very competent players. Their actions were bizarre enough for players of their standards - they've had multiple pressing cases against them in areas not even crumb-outing related. It's not like they're being killed off solely for one mistake.

The town needs to finish off this wagon and kickstart a new one soon.

I agree, my gut is just giving me second thought.

Anyway Yoswen, if you're town please scumhunt in your remaining hours.

This post really bugs me.

I know! shaft.ed shouldn't doubt himself like this. He should be as bitchy as me.

[whoami8]

Personally I think ortohoops is town just wanting us to move more quickly.

[whoami8]

But how is she even coming up with those numbers when we don't know how many power roles are in the game on either side? Can't there be like 5 towntrackers or something and no mafia power roles (well, we know they had a RB at least). But, don't you have to know the balance for that to work? Because the list of possible roles is just that: possible. Adel could do a lot of crazy shit inside of that.

[whoami8]

Okay, personally I can't understand ever thinking that lynching all claimed power roles would benefit the town. Even for a newbie, I don't understand it. I would think they'd be MORE scared to try something like that, if anything. Maybe it's just because I am not a maths/strategy person. I can't break games. I wouldn't even try, even now, and certainly not when I was new.

Another question for Yos: why did you think the first kill was a vig kill? And what help is it to speculate and point that out if it was?

[whoami8]

[quote="KaleiÃ

[whoami8]

BTW Hoops confirm or deny that you asked the mod about Yos' post.

That wasn't me. I don't like the way you're blinding shovelling out suspicion to anyone you think may have been online. I think most of the players don't make their online status visible.

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Talk to RW about that.

[whoami8]

Zaz and Kmd are both undercontributing to this game.

PtA is not posting enough neither is DGPlum.

Pick up the pace!

[whoami8]

Do things at the regular speed and watch the

buddies

pile while we sit and contmeplate?

Freudian slip? :

beardscratch

:

I'm a bit puzzled by Shaft.ed's nice and understanding tone in 201, it sorta feels like he knows Yos is town and wants him to go down quietly.

Someone's not doing their meta homework.

What QT?

Are you even playing the same game(s) as the rest of us?

[whoami8]

Yoswen why are you still alive btw?

[whoami8]

Yoswen why are you still alive btw?

Well, apparently, most people aren't convinced by the case against me. Even the people voting for me seem to not be convinced by their own arguments; you certanly seem to have doubts, and Raging Wishbone apparently wanted to put me at lynch -1 but wouldn't want to hammer me, or something.

pretty sure you know that's not what I'm talking about

[whoami8]

You argue that Nuwen did it because power roles are more likely scum, yet no vote incamn was cast and she states herself it's a nulltell.

As she explained, nulltell, as in "could be power role post or scum post." Which still means more likely scum then a random lynch would be.

Since when did nulltell become equivilant with "more likely scum than a random lynch"?

[whoami8]

Zmd, PokeTheAlpaca, Death the Hogfather and A&B all need to seriously step up their contributions to this game.

Yos I've been asking you to scum hunt for a day or so now. The reasons for your vote on RW isn't incredibly logical if you stop to think about it.

[whoami8]

The reasons for your vote on RW isn't incredibly logical if you stop to think about it.

Sure they are.

When RW thought I was going to be lynched without his help, he defended me, trying to position himself so he'd look good when I died.

THen, when hogfather unvoted me and it looked like I might survive, he voted me, to make sure that didn't happen. The reasons for his switch were very weak, and made very little sense.

The whole flip there really looks like a scum manuever.

Ah I see your point upon rereading. I think you're earlier mention you highlighted the reluctance to be the hammer but happy to be the L-1 vote which doesn't make much difference.

[whoami8]

Shit. I think that was a hammer.

Yes I think so.

I believe we go to a period of "twilight" where nothing can happen before we get a reveal. If you're town Yos, get some last words in.

[whoami8]

There's been no scum kill today. With the amount of time Yos was at L-1 it would have been a twofer for scum to kill someone and thus force a mis-lynch. On the other hand, if Yos was scum, HAD they killed they would have sacrificed one of their own in order to land a kill during the day. This would have been avoided had a bus'ing partner recused themselves from voting Yos. Addin in the pickle the scum were in due to losing a RB day one, I am guessing that if Yos flips scum his wagon almost has to be pure town. Making his the non-Yos voters the remaining place to look for scum.

Now obviously Yos hasn't flipped yet. And there could have been a Doc/RB interference in an earlier scum kill attempt. But keep this in mind given a Yoswen-scum flip.

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Who did just got hammered? I see no vote this page.

Hi btw. Catching up.

Yoswen was finally hammered

Welcome Kinglullaby

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nyballosulgniirkps (Kison+springlullaby) replaces Pesco Light. Thanks for replacing in!

what was the problem with Pesco Light btw?

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hells yeah

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So scum should be among:
Poke, J-scope, Hogfather, DGPlum

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So, I guess that means Yos didn't use his save on Trotsky for action phase 1. I think normally, before the game, Trotsky would be the sort of player that you'd consider being in the spotlight for a vig/SK kill though, which makes me wonder why, or who Yos would use the save on. Who would be more likely than Trotsky?

I'm guessing that means they have a GF. It'd have to be someone more useful than a Roleblocker.

I'm thinking J-Scope, though possible PoketheAlpaca.

DGB why have you been strangely quiet?

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As to why I'm quiet. First of all other games have exhausted me lately and turned me off the game to quite a degree. Secondly Xyl doesn't like me anymore and has blacklisted me and this saddens me. Third, I find that there is a trend of people tunneling irrationally on players to the extend of disrupting scumhunting efforts and making things generally unpleasant. I find that I really don't enjoy that sort of game atmosphere one bit. It's like half the players are Fritzlerized. I'm going to finish my games, but I won't sign up for new ones for a while, if ever. I may still run a fun game in August. We'll see.

You're bar none my favorite player on this site. This saddens me.

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My current reads primarily of the nonYos voters:

DGBPlum: HAve you ever read a game with DBGscum and daytalking. It's her favorite. She wouldn't be participating this little IMHO. least likely

J-Scope: Didn't he bring up a key timing contradiction. Not sure why he didnt vote, but scum in such a precarious spot not so likely to bringing that to light.

Death theHog: forgot about the vote switch not a bad candidate.

PokeThe Alpaca: these guys just feel off. Avoided the Yoswen discussion and randomly tried to get a bandwagon going on me with no evidence. weird.

YosVoters:
See my analysis as to why Yos voters are unlikely scum. I think we haven't had a kill this phase because scum couldn't kill without suiciding Yos. Zmd is the only possible scum amongst the Yos voters IMHO.

Shanba: interesting point about the second scum group, but wouldn't that require a THIRD kill?

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RW voted and unvoted for yoswen asking back and forth about lieing as A&B pressured them. RW's suspcions seems to flop way to fast on Yoswen and I got to wonder if they tried to hammer/bus there buddy then because they didn't like being attacked. Bullied by others you looked scared for your survival there RW.

This inference assumes that RW and his "scum buddy" Yoswen were not logged in at the same time with access to out of thread discussion.

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I agree w/ RW Plum's posting feels like an attempt to slow down and derail the Yos wagon.

vote: Zaphod

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I am short on time this weekend, but wanted to put down some thoughts:

DeaththeHogfather - pretty scummy the way he voted Yos L-1 and then had a fight with Yos, then unvoted Yos. Seems like distancing but reluctance to actually keep Yos at L-1. Because with Yos at L-1, the scumteam could not make a kill, so they DID NOT want him L-1.

RW - tried to derail Yos wagon with the "who tried ot modkill Yos OMG?!!11!!" bullshit. Defended Yos a lot, then voted Yos in a startling turn of events. I'm sort of thinking he may be just a town moron, but I think my other head thinks he's more likely scum.

ZMD - *MIGHT* still be scum even though hammered Yos. Scum couldn't make a kill while Yos was L-1. They might have decided Yos was unsavable after a while at L-1 and just decided to earn town credit and hammer him themselves.

PTA - Was so quiet until after the Yos lynch. Lurking to avoid having to buss Yos?

Also, I am thinking we shouldn't assume the scum team is only three people. I believe the rules say there is ATLEAST a 3-man scum group. That means there could also be four. Or more, I guess, but I think balance would prob make five unlikely. Actually, maybe three

is

a good number if one was a maf RB, one was maf doc, and last one is a GF. Three would make sense if they're all PRs.

I think Hogfather is scummiest, but I have only really skimmed the last couple pages, so I won't change our vote since shaft.ed has been all up in this piece and he may have seen stuff I didn't.

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I think I may have misread my other head's posting on RW. I saw the comment about slowing down the Yos wagon and thought he meant RW, but he meant DGBplum. It looks like he doesn't think RW is scum. And I don't really either. And RW's comments today make sense to me. I agree with him that Hog is prob scum.

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HOG - Explain why you unvoted Yos.

Also, who do you think is scum?

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Sex club, does the vote you just put on Zaphod means you no longer think that point valid, or was it just the other half of the hydra (I'd guess elvis) posting?

I switched the vote to Zaphod because although I feel DGB is slightly more likely than not town, I feel Plum's posting just reeked of scum slowing down the wagon. Remember time is money for town.

Speaking of which, this shouldn't be too hard folks we just lynch the non-Yos voters and we should almost certainly out Yos' buddy. Let's just pick the most scummy and lynch. We can go faster than they can.

At this point I'm happy with Zaphod, Death of Hog or PoketheAlpaca getting lynched. I think J-Scope is at the bottom of the four.

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Folks RW is so much less likely scum than the four non-Yos voters can we please move to more likely targets.

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Of the people I'd like to lynch Death of Hogfather is closest to having a wagon.

unovote vote: Death of Hogfather

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I really don't think Yos' remaining buddy would take such a huge risk trying to save him, and have acted like RW did. I think he might distance, vote/unvote like Hog, or maybe try to start a wagon on someone else (more like DGplum), or lurk as much as possible (PTA or others).

I know it's WIFOM, and anything's possible, but I don't think the scum team would want to take a risk of losing the game outright by connecting themselves so hard.

And also, as FD said, I often try to connect myself to townies when I'm scum, hopefully leaving behind a mislynch or two for my team if I get lynched.

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Can you give reasons why you think RW and ZMD are scum?

(Geez, this is like pulling teeth).

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Anyway. The Yos/Nuwen lynch. I agree that the early voters are not likely to be mafia. They could still be SK though. Just not mafia.
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PoketheAlpaca -3
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