Mini 761 - Game Over

[PJ.]

EBWOP: Very few gambits are good plays. that's why they are called gambits. It's a risk. You risk using poor play in seeking of large results.

[alexhans]

This is why I could careless about what I said or claimed. I felt this way about his entire case and people just went along with it.

You played scummy and never did a good job to beat my case. You just attacked me personally. DDD seems to be doing the same.

I had no chance other then to either a) Put far more effort into the game which I don't find fun and wasn't motivated to do by alexhans ridiculousness or b) do something drastic.

You started the game by doing something drastic. You hammered Wall-e. Then obv voted steph. Then never pushed his case despite the fact that you say now you're 100 % sure he is scum. You lied and lied and lied. That is not drastic. That is dreadful for town. You know that you can always admit you made a mistake.

To the not lynching a power role bit, You never lynch an uncounterclaimed power role straight out. Ever. Regardless. You can lynch me the next day when I'm actually lying, or see I have a point and actually listen.

if someone claims and definetly doesn't seem to be telling the truth why won't we lynch him? How do we know you're actually lying the next day? If you have a point then you're just lucky because you invented the point.

If anything flat denial is a nulltell

I agree.

Please lynch either Alexhans or Steph next.

Why? do you want to keep crapping this game from the grave? You've hurt us enough.

Also Alex, lynch goes to twilight not night so jazz can still answer your question...

Yeah... I never said to Jazz wait till tomorrow. I WANT answers from her and I wanted them now. She's just not giving them to me.

It's called a gambit kind sir. And it works especially well when you are 100% sure that the person is scum.

Who are you talking about? Steph? How can you ever be sure 100 %?

You've mentioned me (85%), Steph(100%), Jazz, Ryan as scum...

Can you back it up before you die? Just post or quote whatever makes you feel how you feel.

Why you keep calling Steph She? Is your way of having fun?

I'm good at catching scum.

Since when ego man? Since you self-hammered as an IC in my first newbie game?

[alexhans]

Why did you even replace man? You have no consideration to the players in this game...

[X]

Vote Count

Panzerjager

: (5) Jazzmyn, LesterGroans, ryan2754, Stephoscope, Zachrulez

Stephoscope

: (2) Debonair Danny DiPietro, Panzerjager

Debonair Danny DiPietro

: (1)

AshKetchummm

Not Voting

: (1) alexhans

Vote Threshold

: 5

Happiness with Posting Level

:

Unimportant

Panzerjager, Vanilla Townie

, was lynched D2.

It is now Night 2. Night will end

48 hours after a replacement for AshKetchummm has been found

. I will send a PM to everyone when the replacement has been found.

[X]

Hoopla replaces AshKetchummm. Thanks, Hoopla!

Due to my

V/LA until Tuesday

, I am giving over 48 hours for the rest of Night.

Night will end on

April 28th, 2009

at

6:30 AM, EDT

.

[X]

Debonair Danny DiPietro, Vanilla Townie

, was shot N2.

Vote Count

Not Voting

: (7) alexhans, Hoopla, Jazzmyn, LesterGroans, ryan2754, Stephoscope, Zachrulez

Vote Threshold

: 4

Happiness with Posting Level

:

Neutral

[alexhans]

1 death? What does that mean? Someone got protected or a killer blocked? A vig didn't shoot?

Ok... Hi Hoopla, thanks for replacing... What are your thoughts of the game so far?

We should review my setup theories and start debating what are the odds.

[Stephoscope]

Hmm.

Welcome to the game, Hoopla.

I remain in disbelief of what Panzerjager did. A townie shouldn't be fake-claiming--of course I assumed he was scum!

So anyway, there was apparently only one kill last night, and all we've lost are vanilla townies. (RIP, DDD.) I'm assuming someone was blocked...I'm not sure why anyone, mafia vig SK or whatever, would decline to kill.

[Stephoscope]

Yeah, by "blocked" I meant someone could have been protected as well.

[alexhans]

Don't you think a vig would decline to kill? if there's 3 scum and a vig then a miskill would take us into lylo...

For all we know, we migth be at lylo so everyone should be careful with their votes.

I propose a vFOS alternative. We will count those vFoses as if they were real votes. So we don't get played by scum if they quickvote after town players voted someone.

[Stephoscope]

Don't you think a vig would decline to kill? if there's 3 scum and a vig then a miskill would take us into lylo...

I dunno...if I were the vig, I wouldn't decline.

Off to work, then I'll re-read later. I wonder why DDD was killed? I didn't agree with some of his arguments, but I for one was pretty certain he was town.

[alexhans]

Don't worry, Alex. Panzer was quite obviously lying, so it is pretty certain that he is scum. As for me answering your questions, if I'm alive tomorrow, I'll do so. If I'm NKed, that all by itself will be all the answer you need.

Regards,
Jazz

You're alive so... Answer the questions.

[alexhans]

What's up people?
Looking at your profiles:
Zachrulez posted today
Hoopla posted today.
Lester posted today.

excused:
ryan posted yesterday.
Jazzmin posted today but before the ingame day began.

Lester and I posted in game.

Zach, Hoopla, Lester... What are you waiting for!!??

[Zachrulez]

I'm waiting for people other than you and Stephoscope to weigh in.

[alexhans]

If we all wait this is not gonna begin. Ever. Try to contribute with at least something. If someone tries to use it against you, we will see who and why and check if it is a valid reason. You don't have to be so cautious.

[Zachrulez]

Relax. The posts will come with time.

[alexhans]

When I was at L-2 you didn't tell me to relax... you pressured me with a vote.... Lester didn't let us relax and discuss. He hammered.

[Zachrulez]

And I would prefer you discussing that as opposed to what you have been discussing.

[Hoopla]

Hey kids, I'm here - I've given the thread a decent skim through, but was reluctant to do a full read/analysis before today on the chance I was killed in the night (yes this has happened to me before).

What's up people?
Hoopla posted today.

Zach, Hoopla, Lester... What are you waiting for!!??

Easy tiger, it hasn't been that long! While I do a little more reading, does anyone have anything specific I should look at beforehand, or does anyone have anything they want me to answer now?

[alexhans]

Well... When you read the thread I'd like you to comment on:
1) Ash's case on DDD.
2) The case against Ash.
3) Lester's hammer and Panzer's Waggon.
4) My waggon when I was put to L-1
4) Panzer's claim.
5) What do you think about the setup? Do you see my theories plausible?

6) Well, the rest is up to you really... Who do you think is scum and why....

Take your time. Thanks for replacing

[Ortohoops]

Well... When you read the thread I'd like you to comment on:
1) Ash's case on DDD.
2) The case against Ash.
3) Lester's hammer and Panzer's Waggon.
4) My waggon when I was put to L-1
4) Panzer's claim.
5) What do you think about the setup? Do you see my theories plausible?

6) Well, the rest is up to you really... Who do you think is scum and why....

Take your time. Thanks for replacing

For number 1 and 2, can you link me to the posts where these were stated?

3, 4 - I'm not ready to talk about yet.

5) I have a couple of immediate theories for the set-up that spring to mind. I definitely think we're playing in a mountainous game based on the first five kills being vanilla. The reason I think this is if the scumteam had 3 members, you need at least 3-4 powerroles to balance this. The odds of killing the 5 vanillas in a row first up is startlingly high, if the rest of the roles are scum/town powerroles.

If people agree that we're facing a mountainous set-up I'm leaning toward massclaim. But it needs to be done in a certain way that gives us a decent chance of catching scum. I would propose a vote to elect the most townie - they start get to select who claims first (ideally them choosing a scumbag), then we popcorn from there.

The goal of this would be making scum commit to a claim early - if they claim vanilla it confirms our powerroles as definitely town, which narrows the scumpool signifigantly. If they claim powerroles, there is a chance we can counterclaim and trade 1 for 1 which is always helpful for the town.

I don't like the idea of waiting until lylo for massclaim - this makes counterclaims a problem, as there is no time to test them, then you're basing them on unproven merit.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?

[Ortohoops]

Mod:

Any chance of making the opening post player list an alive player list? And putting 'lynched' or 'night killed' etc. with the deaths? It just makes it a little more easy to process while I'm reading.

X:

They're inside the spoilers. I'll add manner of death.

[alexhans]

mmmm... This is what I understand as mountainous... You're definetly thinking BASTARD modding.
and our mod said:

2. This is a Normal Game. Although your expectations will be violated because it is a Mafia Game,

they will not be violated by me

.

.

MASS CLAIM IS A REALLY BAD IDEA. We must have a RB, Doc, or something out there that prevented the kill. Or a vigilante that refrained from killing. therefore outing them is a bad idea.

look at the end of alexhans 526... There are some setup guesses by me. What do you think about them?

Mod:

Any chance of making the opening post player list an alive player list? And putting 'lynched' or 'night killed' etc. with the deaths? It just makes it a little more easy to process while I'm reading.

It's in page 1 under the spoiler.
but Wall-e was lynched day 1
Amished and Gateway Killed night 1
Panzer lynched day 2
DDD Killed night 2

Please only use one account when posting in this game so we can read you better in ISO if we need to. Thanks.

regarding 1,2,3,4... I'll let you do your full read and answer me then. I don't want you reading out of context.

[Hoopla]

mmmm... This is what I understand as mountainous... You're definetly thinking BASTARD modding.
and our mod said:

2. This is a Normal Game. Although your expectations will be violated because it is a Mafia Game,

they will not be violated by me

.

.

MASS CLAIM IS A REALLY BAD IDEA. We must have a RB, Doc, or something out there that prevented the kill. Or a vigilante that refrained from killing. therefore outing them is a bad idea.

look at the end of alexhans 526... There are some setup guesses by me. What do you think about them?

Mod:

Any chance of making the opening post player list an alive player list? And putting 'lynched' or 'night killed' etc. with the deaths? It just makes it a little more easy to process while I'm reading.

It's in page 1 under the spoiler.
but Wall-e was lynched day 1
Amished and Gateway Killed night 1
Panzer lynched day 2
DDD Killed night 2

Please only use one account when posting in this game so we can read you better in ISO if we need to. Thanks.

regarding 1,2,3,4... I'll let you do your full read and answer me then. I don't want you reading out of context.

Okay, sorry for the confusion - I meant mountainous in the sense it's a set-up of 2:10. 3:9 seems quite unlikely given the deaths. Thanks for the killing sequences though!

Another question: Who has claimed, is there any other important information regarding claims that I need to know?

[alexhans]

Again... read the last part of 526 to see my thought's regarding the possible setups.

No one has claimed anything but Panzer... He fakeclaimed Watcher and got lynched. It's an interesting read. You'll have fun with it.

NOW GET TO IT!!!