Newbie 744 -- Game Over!

[alexhans]

mmm... strike what I said... Im confused.

unvote

... I'll read Zaz and KMD yet again.

[ZazieR]

IF YOU ARE THE ACTUAL COP, DO NOT COUNTERCLAIM!!!!

It's quite clear Kmd is lying, we don't need a counterclaim to prove it. Just vote him and move along.

QFFT

[alexhans]

Oh... it seems KMD never pushed a case against the person he had guilty on... ODD....

Cop. Dont counter claim. My bad.

[ZazieR]

Exactly. And I could only be scum if CntR would flip scum.
If anyone thinks Kmd is the cop, I want to hear why he would say this as a cop.

[charter]

Oh... it seems KMD never pushed a case against the person he had guilty on... ODD....

Cop. Dont counter claim. My bad.

Not only that, but he said in one of his posts, he "only sees ZazieR as scum if CntR is scum."

How can he say "if ZazieR is scum" if he has a guilty on her? He would KNOW without a doubt, she is scum. This statement makes no sense!

[alexhans]

What I don't get is why he said that he was looking for your scumbuddy by voting CnrT... It would be easier to push for YOUR lynch and look at others reactions.

[alexhans]

I want to hear from C_O, knox and Raiv before voting for KMD...

[ZazieR]

That's because he's not the cop. All his actions regarding 'his result' don't make sense as he isn't the cop.

[charter]

No. No. No. Nothing about this adds up at all.

[knox]

Lucky I stayed up, anyway:

Unvote

for now, though I wouldn’t be surprised if Raivann is the partner. For the new development I’m not sure which way to vote.

Though I’m leaning more to Kmd as I have not seen any real evidence that he was looking for Zazie’s scum partner. And if he has he should tell us now who he thinks it is. This seems to me what would have been the right thing to do as he even admits he will be dead either way. So who have you found as it will be helpful if Zazie does flip scum?

@Kmd – Who are you suspicious of being the scum partner?

I would like to hear from Kmd before I vote if he makes it on time, if not I will vote.

Exactly. And I could only be scum if CntR would flip scum.

How does that make sense?

[ZazieR]

Kmd said that I could only be scum if CntR is scum.
That's what I meant with that quote.

So how does that make sense when he has a 'guilty result' on me?

[alexhans]

He was voting for CnrT, pushing CnrT's case from the beginning of the day. Ã

[knox]

oops, I misread Zazie’s post, I thought she was saying that she thought that she could only be scum if CntR was. Thats why I asked.

[knox]

Is the deadline in roughly 40 mins?

[charter]

Is the deadline in roughly 40 mins?

12 hours and 25 minutes now.

alexhans needs some scrutiny after kmd flips scum.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote Vote Kmd

Nothing in your posts day 2 has shown that you got a 'result' that I am scum. I'm gonna find quotes right now that disprove your statement.
Besides, the fact that you only claimed because you're at L-1 (which is not even true) is prove already that you're not the cop as you're risking us to be in Lylo tomorrow. If you were the cop, you'd have crumbed your target especially when trying this stunt.

See the bottom of this post for my crumbs.

Why would he say that I can only be scum if CntR/ Clown is scum when he has a 'guilty result' on me?

To see your answer and see if there is a connection. Your OMGUS attack on me shows that I was a threat because I was right.

I'm calling it right now. You are scum WITH CO.

And Kevin, why did you investigate me?

Because I always feel you are town, even when you aren't, and I like to investigate those who I don't have a proper read on.

Also... KMD... you werent at L-1, I had unvoted in that huge post... I don't know if your read it. you were at L-2 with Charter's and Conspic's votes.

My bad. Hadn't read the long post yet (and still haven't). Doesn't matter anyway. This game is as good as won.

Wow, I was totally right. Guys, look at Kmd4390's posts today, and tell me if he made those knowing ZazieR is scum. The answer is, no he did not. Look at 313 for a huge one, he's agreeing with ZazieR. I would never conceed arguments against someone I knew was scum. Aaaand, this finale

Yep. expected you to tunnel on your original thoughts. You always do.

wait... someone wants to Counter Claim? that should be enough proof that KMD is lying at the risk of outing yourselves and being killed tomorrow... But we will have lynched scum...

Scum won't counter. I'm as good as dead tonight anyway, so they won't out themselves to get me lynched.

Just so that no one gets any ideas, I assume Kmd is going to flip scum, that DOES NOT mean that ZazieR is not his partner. Entirely possible she is...

This is

hilarious

that you would think that. But again, you stick to your original thoughts.

Really though. Would scum claim a guilty on

their partner

? And in a newbie game? Not sure about you, but I sure as hell wouldn't.

Hell, you should know that if I were going to fake a guilty, it would NOT be on Zaz. In any game. Regardless of anyone's alignment.

Oh... it seems KMD never pushed a case against the person he had guilty on... ODD....

Cop. Dont counter claim. My bad.

The reason for this is mini 650. I was sure one person was scum. Another claimed my role (doc). I countered the fake doc and told the town DO NOT FORGET the other scum. That scum survived to endgame and they won. I decided I should have lynched the scum I was very sure on before the other scum as they'd see my flip anyway.

I took that knowledge into this game. I wanted to find Zaz's partner before lynching her. Also, I really like playing games with her, so I didn't want her dead just yet.

How can he say "if ZazieR is scum" if he has a guilty on her? He would KNOW without a doubt, she is scum. This statement makes no sense!

I don't claim out of the blue. See Family Guy (the mini, not large). I was cop with a guilty on Rock. I never once claimed it. I still got him lynched, but I didn't use my guilty result to do it.

What I don't get is why he said that he was looking for your scumbuddy by voting CnrT... It would be easier to push for YOUR lynch and look at others reactions.

And let myself, the cop, get killed at night? No thanks. If she thought I had a town read on her, I'd have a better chance of surviving.

@Kmd – Who are you suspicious of being the scum partner?

Pretty sure you and Charter are town based on interactions with Zaz. Also thinking very strongly that CO is her partner. If not him, it's probably Raiv as I have a town read on alex.

Kmd said that I could only be scum if CntR is scum.
That's what I meant with that quote.

So how does that make sense when he has a 'guilty result' on me?

I was reinforcing the "town read" I was trying to show.

He was voting for CnrT, pushing CnrT's case from the beginning of the day. Íf he had guilty on Zaz he should've pushed her instead. What If Zaz was scumpartner of someone other than CnrT? That's a lucky shot. Saying that Zaz was scum for defending CnrT... He didn't know CnrTs' allignment but DID know Zaz (supposedly)...

He suggests Cnrt/C_O is her partner. Read.

Always think ahead in mafia.

Let's say I claimed at the beginning of Day 2. We lynch Zaz. One scum down. Ok, that's good.

But...

We lose our Cop Night 2. We lose the last IC Night 2 (Charter is a good player too, but wasn't around yet). We have a short Day and limited discussion. And we have limited connections to find the second scum.

I still believe waiting was better because:

Yes, the cop/last IC will be dead, but now, along with lynching scum, we've had some good discussion. We have possible connections. And most important, we can win the game a lot easier than we could have if I had claimed at the beginning of the day.

Same reasons as

yesterday

:

Oh, want my breadcrumb?

This movie is about HIV. A character in the movie is HIV positive. I am positive about a scum in the game. How positive? HIV positive!

I crumbed camn style.

Then:

Hmm. I actually don't see the case on SoaD.

Zazie attacked SoaD. This is me saying that I think he is town as I don't see her bussing at this time.

So can we lynch scum now or do we have to see my cop flip first?

[charter]

Fuck me.

unvote

while I read this...

[alexhans]

Is the deadline in roughly 40 mins?

12 hours and 25 minutes now.

alexhans needs some scrutiny after kmd flips scum.

asks me the questions now... You could well be bussing KMD for that matter.

@KMD: mmm... I understand your thoughts... But I didn't understand what your supposed crumb is...

[Kmd4390]

@KMD: mmm... I understand your thoughts... But I didn't understand what your supposed crumb is...

It's simple. The movie "Yesterday" is about HIV. When someone has HIV, they are said to be HIV positive. I was positive about something in this game, which normal townies can never be. Therefore, I am a cop who is positive I have scum.

[alexhans]

dude... that's not a crumb... you could've just made it up when you claimed...

A crumb can be seen by someone if you don't say it. But is very subtle so It'll probably go unnoticed.

And you weren't positive about CnrT. You were positive about Zaz... I don't see a breadcrumb there at all. It looks kinda fake if I have to tell you the truth.

[charter]

I still need to think about this, but I just feel I should point out that this is utter crap.

This is hilarious that you would think that. But again, you stick to your original thoughts.

Really though. Would scum claim a guilty on their partner? And in a newbie game? Not sure about you, but I sure as hell wouldn't.

Hell, you should know that if I were going to fake a guilty, it would NOT be on Zaz. In any game. Regardless of anyone's alignment.

I've seen scum fakeclaim cop to save themselves, and claim a guilty on their partner. And it was in a newbie game. This is another one of those terrible lines of logic you've been using for a while.

[alexhans]

like when you (KMD) said that both IC's weren't scum.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, alex mentioned his long post. I'll respond now.

Kmd4390*

I thought it was weird that I hadn't jokevoted you before, so I looked

at our past games.

Cnt was the one I had a problem with. At least until I looked up his

meta. The FoS without voting always looks suspicious to me. In the RVS, it's even

worse. But seeing that he played a cautious game as town in his other game, I think

that's a null tell as well. Maybe even a slight town tell.

Didn't you later used this to make a case against CnrT?

I dismissed the meta, and used the point anyway.

Hum...Well, since we cannot continue ahead

without blue, we can discuss a few things while he's gone...

Why not?

This is excessive. It looks like being sure you're always asking questions. Being

on the detective side.

My playstyle is to ask a lot of questions.

No talking about the

kills? Weird.

Talking about the kills brings in WIFOM that we don't need.

Hmm. I actually don't see the case on SoaD.

But doesn't say why...

I've just explained this. :Wink:

@KMD: What is your read on Raiv?

I think that if CO is town, Raiv is scum by process of elimination.

[Kmd4390]

dude... that's not a crumb... you could've just made it up when you claimed...

A crumb can be seen by someone if you don't say it. But is very subtle so It'll probably go unnoticed.

And you weren't positive about CnrT. You were positive about Zaz... I don't see a breadcrumb there at all. It looks kinda fake if I have to tell you the truth.

I took a shot at using Camn's subtle crumbing.

She'll take something so subtle that scum can not pick up on it and then she'll use it when she claims. That's what I did here.

I've seen scum fakeclaim cop to save themselves, and claim a guilty on their partner. And it was in a newbie game. This is another one of those terrible lines of logic you've been using for a while.

I don't think that is the way to play newbie games. For example, I'd never bus a buddy in a newbie game although I would in a normal game.

Also, you didn't mention the other part of that post. Why would I fake a guilty on Zaz? I'd feel too badly afterwards if I did that.

[charter]

I'm going to go recheck what made me suspicious of ZazieR in the early pages before I pass judgement on this.