Mini 733- Congratulations! You are... Mafia (Game Over)

[imaginality]

Alo, alo, sunt eu, Picasso
ti-am dat beep
si sunt voinic
Dar sa stii, nu-ti cer nimic

[SlySly]

I'm told if my target killed anyone. When I targeted you I didn't get any response, so I assumed that unless I was blocked, you didn't make any kills Night 1.

Well, let me say this...

You not getting a response from your N1 targeting would be of great concern, to me, if not for other results from N1. However, imaginality's claimed N1 & N2 actions somewhat negate your N1 action claims and make things very cloudy, which make your 'claimed' N1 actions a concern to me again.

Welcome to WIFOM central.

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imaginality, I think if there is scum and SK left, it would be more important to lynch mafia today. Your opposite reasoning concerns me.

[imaginality]

imaginality, I think if there is scum and SK left, it would be more important to lynch mafia today. Your opposite reasoning concerns me.

If ve did not

know

who vas SK zen yes, you vud haf a point. But, if zere is scum and SK left, ve know who SK is, it has to be destrructor. If ve try to guess scom and guess rrrrong, ve vill verrry likely lose. Better I sssink to lynch SK today unless (i) ve are zertain who mafia is or (ii) ve are zertain zere is no SK - I zink neizzer of zese conditions are true.

[destructor]

imaginality, do joo not tink that Kmd could be schomz?
If he is schomz and unlynchobel, how can ze town vin?

Plom, I am koncerned that joo vud equate joor role vith Iyzak's. Joor role is

meant

to receev a resolt. Iyzak's wasn't. Vhy should he, then, be told that he vos blocked?

[imaginality]

Alo, alo, sunt eu, Picasso
ti-am dat beep
si sunt voinic
Dar sa stii, nu-ti cer nimic

[destructor]

psot

[imaginality]

I zink it prrrreeeettty unlikely zat Kmd is scum. Zere vud haf to be vun flippink veird rrole/power for zat to be ze case (as prrrezumably if you vere killed earrrlier (and ver town), ve vud haf no chanze unlezz ze unlynchability ends vhen ze vig dies.

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And efen if it somehow is ze case, it zeems to me ve could still vin if ve lynch you today:

Day 4 - 4 alive (assumingk scum kill zuczezzfully)
No-lynch
Day 5 - 3 alive (assumink kill)

It zeems vrom vhat SlySly has hinted at zat he is no long invinzible. Zat means SlySly vas unvincible for 2-and-a-bit days. So if it is ze same vor Kmd, he zhud become vinzible again, sometime durink Day 5. And zen ve can lynch him.
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[SlySly]

So if it is ze same vor Kmd, he zhud become vinzible again, sometime durink Day 5. And zen ve can lynch him.
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Your math seems to be off when taking this quote into consideration, where your math has been so perfect before. This is a highly suspicious statement.

[imaginality]

Ma-ia hii
Ma-ia huu
Ma-ia hoo
Ma-ia haha

Ma-ia hii
Ma-ia huu
Ma-ia hoo
Ma-ia haha

Ma-ia hii
Ma-ia huu
Ma-ia hoo
Ma-ia haha!

[Kmd4390]

imaginality, I think if there is scum and SK left, it would be more important to lynch mafia today. Your opposite reasoning concerns me.

Actually, there is no difference. 1 anti-town role who can kill. That's what both are if both exist.

imaginality, do joo not tink that Kmd could be schomz?
If he is schomz and unlynchobel, how can ze town vin?

I'm town and invincible, not just unlynchable. I can't die. Period.

Imaginality wants to post I think.

Why is Des still alive?

[imaginality]

SlySly: You verrr invizible for two days and two niyhts (if I am wrong about zis and you are also invinzible today, my math is off, but you zeem to have implied ozzervise). Zo I zink if Kmd is also invinzible for two days and two niyhts, zis takes us to day 5.

Even if my math is off, Kmd has less zan zero rrreason to claim his zazqvatchness as scum. Better vor him to yust keep qviet and get destrrructor lynched (if Kmd as scum verrr unlynchable but not unnightkillable), yes?

I vill post zum ttssoughts on ze ozzer players in next day or zo, Plum, but I haf not been focussed on zem ever zinz destrructor denied connection to chesssboarrrd. My conzerrn of SK + mafia ztill beink a pozzibility means I am convinced ve haf to lynch him today (as only SK candidate) razzer zan trrry to guess mafia today.

[SlySly]

...my math is off...

QFT.

Even if my math is off, Kmd has less zan zero rrreason to claim his zazqvatchness as scum.

He clearly stated he is not a Sasquatch.

Better vor him to yust keep qviet and get destrrructor lynched (if Kmd as scum verrr unlynchable but not unnightkillable), yes?

Agreed.

I vill post zum ttssoughts on ze ozzer players in next day or zo, Plum, but I haf not been focussed on zem ever zinz destrructor denied connection to chesssboarrrd.

The chessboard is compelling.

My conzerrn of SK + mafia ztill beink a pozzibility means I am convinced ve haf to lynch him today (as only SK candidate) razzer zan trrry to guess mafia today.

No harm in scum hunting. There are still a few days left before deadline.

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cow, still with us? A lurky best friend is scummier than an active one.

[imaginality]

Chipul tãu si dragostea din tei
Mi-amintesc de ochii tãi

[Mirth]

Votecount

kmd - anton chekov - [sly, cow]
des - broccoli - [kmd, imaginality]
MeMe - fruit tarts - [des]

not voting - noodles - [plum]

[SlySly]

Didn't realize my vote was still on.

unvote

[hasdgfas]

unvote

as I forgot that was on there.

So we have 6 alive right?
Why not NL, imaginality bites des(as we still don't know what that does) and des kills imaginality? Then if the game's not over we lynch des. Anyone see anything wrong with that?

[imaginality]

I do: iff ve haf scum and SK left, zen (assumink two town players are killed) ve vud haf four players left vif vun scum and vun SK. And zey could agree vif easshh ozzer to haf a joint vin by forzing NL and killink ze ozzer two players.

I rrepeat. If ve haf only vun baddy left zen ve haf options. If zere iss a chanze of hafink scum and SK, ve must lynch SK (or guess rrright if ve try to lynch scum).

[SlySly]

I am against a NL, too. Obviously, if there is only a SK left, it is des. If there is only scum left, I don't want to lynch our vig. I think Kmd is town. I think there is a good possibility that imaginality is town. Though, I was very suspicious of Plum a little earlier today, a reread of her posts eased my suspicions.

I think if there is both scum and SK left, it is cow(scum) and des(sk).

The chessboard and desGlork's role fit together as SK.

I prefer the cow lynch. If cow flips scum and the game doesn't end, the remaining target is obviously des, the SK. If cow flips town, I think des should target imaginality. If imaginality dies during the night and flips town, des can be lynched tomorrow. Game over, town win!

vote:cow

[Kmd4390]

Sly, explain how Imaginality and Des can both me town? I don't see it. Either Imaginality lied about the chess board (why would he as town?) or Des lied about something role-related (why would he as town?).

[imaginality]

Te sun, sã-ti spun, ce simt, acum
Alo, iubirea mea sunt eu, fericirea

Alo, alo, sunt iarasi eu, Picasso
ti-am dat beep si sunt voinic
Dar sã stii, nu-ti cer nimic

[Kmd4390]

Hi.

[imaginality]

Sly's plan (lynch cow, destructor shoots me, lynch destructor tomorrrrow

If zere is vun SK, no scum:

Sly's plan vurks.

If zere is vun scum, no SK:

Sly's plan vurks if scum is hascow or me.
If scum is Plum or Sly or Kmd, zis plan fails. (ve mizlynch, mizvig, mizlynch again)

If zere is vun scum and vun SK:

Zly's plan vurks if scum is hascow.

It fails if scum is Plum or Sly or Kmd.
It alzo fails if I am scum. (If destructor does not zhute me as agrrreed, he and I cud joint-vin.)

My plan (lynch destructor)

If zere is vun SK, no scum:

Ve vin.

If zere is vun scum, no SK:

Ve can still vin or still lose. Ve haf to lynjch scum tomorrrrrow (or NL and lynch scum ze next day).

If zere is vun scum and vun SK:

Ve can still vin or still lose. Ve haf to lynjch scum tomorrrrrow (or NL and lynch scum ze next day).


I prrrefer my plan. I vill only vote cow if it is eizzer zat or no-lynch.

[Plum]

I . . .

think

I agree with Imaginality's plan at this point. Frankly, after thinking about Kmd's apparent invincibility, an SK in the setup looks, as I said, much more plausible, and a major part of my initial reaction - that Imaginality was more likely the lying scumbag of the pair in which we know there must be a lying scumbag, because I had reason to believe there was another Mafia member alive and that balance-wise an SK was rather unlikely - needed reevaluation.

While I can see scenarios where Imaginality was scum with the sort of power needed to set up his crumb and claim, Occam's Razor now seems to be in his favor (as opposed to before Kmd's claim of invincibility). Not an easy claim for scum to set up (and his stances on Isacc add up as well, I see) points to the likelyhood that he's town and therefore that Des is the SK who needs to die. While I belived that the chance that he was scum with the stuff to claim what he did was more possible than an SK in the setup before . . . md's role makes sense to balance things out.

I looked at Hascow's suggestion for 'No-Lynch, Des NKs Imaginality, and, if necessary, we lynch Des', but having seen Imaginality's analysis of the disadvantages thereof, I'm inclined to agree that finding the scum in the pair of Des and Imaginality should be something we do sooner, rather than later. As soon as possible would be best, and while frankly I don't recall much sketchyness on the part of Glork or Des2.0 (and don't have the time tonight I though I would for extensive analysis, see below for details), the end of a recent game makes me think that the setup and the probability of someone being scum in the setup I think we're seeing should not be underestimated.

Here's hoping Des is the scum in this equation.

Vote: destructor

Mod: I went out to practice the flute for a concert of flute students (six years of 5/5 scores in duets and solos earned me a place ) and at the house of the pianist I was practicing with (she's going to accompany something I'm playing) there was a very cute cat. I got no pictures, unfortnately, but I spoke to her in Russian (my vocabulary, though very limited, is enough to tell a kitty that I love her and that she's a very nice cat). It gave me a warm fuzzy feeling.

[destructor]

I really don't tink that imaginality is schomz. Iv ve lynch cow, I vud moch rather not kill. That vil leev 4 alive tomorrow, instead ov 3, vich givs ze town more opshons (possibility of no lynch). It olzo means that I may be abol to kill Kmd on Night 4 iv his invulnerability is lost.

[destructor]

I am olzo becomink concerned by ze nomber ov people who are creatink an imaginality/des dichotomy. Ze possibilities vor imaginalities resolts haf been discossed and he has even said himself that the chessboard may simply be a referonce of Russia and chess. This is easily conceevobol.

Vhat I am sayink is, if I am lynched, I do not beleev it is wise to immediatey assume, as Kmd has been pushink, zat imaginality is automaticolly schomz.