Mini 773- Welcome to Lynchville! Perfection! (Over)

[alexhans]

Done... Now by pressing the wiki button below your post you can see your wiki. Further modifications should be done from there and you should delete the user:light-kun content.

[afatchic]

VoteCount #7?

Kublai Khan-(2)-PieIsPopcorn, Light-kun

Light-kun-(2)-Archaist, LesterGroans
PieIsPopcorn-(1)-Kublai Khan
No-Lynch-(1)-ppp973
Cream147-(1)-RedCoyote
cateraction-(1)-alexhans
RedCoyote-(1)-cateraction

Not voting-(3)-Cream147, ChiefSkye4, BrianMcQueso,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

And FYI, i count weekends as one day rather than two for prodding purposes, if anyone is wondering why some people haven't received prods yet.

If anyone notices and mistakes, or anyone worthy of a prod, just kindly let me know, please.

[Archon]

Hey Peeps. Looks like I;m going to be filling in PieisPopcorn's position.

*Reads and awaits PM*

[afatchic]

Hey Peeps. Looks like I;m going to be filling in PieisPopcorn's position.

*Reads and awaits PM*

Archon officially replaces PieIsPopcorn. Everyone give him a warm welcome...

[Light-kun]

Thank you Alex, sorry that I failed to properly place my page. I'll probably update it with this game and another game and the one I'm modding this weekend. (Nothing else has happened, so I'll be back tomorrow.)

[ChiefSkye4]

Skye: Someone called my system needlessly complicated, so through logical progression, I'm talking about mine. I realize in isolation that would lack clarity though.

Aaaaah, ok. Gotcha. Sorry.


Also, welcome Archon!

[Kublai Khan]

Hey Peeps. Looks like I;m going to be filling in PieisPopcorn's position.

*Reads and awaits PM*

Archon officially replaces PieIsPopcorn. Everyone give him a warm welcome...

....

Forget ppp973. Archon makes a much, much better policy lynch.

[ppp973]

Sorry for inactivity and sorry for all of the junk.


Kublai why does Archon is a good policy lynch? Joke much?
Archon welcome.

I will need more information before I say Kublai is scummy, but just quickly reading he is slightly scummy

[LesterGroans]

Forget ppp973. Archon makes a much, much better policy lynch.

I hope this is a joke, or I'll have to seriously re-eavaluate my position on KK.

Also, welcome Archon.

[afatchic]

Archaist has been prodded, so we should be seeing him again shortly.

[alexhans]

I will need more information before I say Kublai is scummy, but just quickly reading he is slightly scummy

It would help if you at least wrote 1 sentence saying why...

Hi Archon... Are you Archaists cousin? (Both Arch's)

[Archaist]

Forget ppp973. Archon makes a much, much better policy lynch.

I don't like this statement. If you're serious then you're scummy for wanting to lynch a player before they even really post anything. Of course, you could always hide behind your statement by saying you were just joking. Either way, it's not pro-town.

Unvote
Vote: Kubli Khan

[ChiefSkye4]

As I said before, policy lynches=scum hiding place. But, I think KK was joking, and unless he takes further "policy" action against Archon, it's a useless post, which is admittedly anti-town, but not scummy.

[Archon]

Hey Peeps. Looks like I;m going to be filling in PieisPopcorn's position.

*Reads and awaits PM*

Archon officially replaces PieIsPopcorn. Everyone give him a warm welcome...

....

Forget ppp973. Archon makes a much, much better policy lynch.

Aw, can't we leave the past behind us?

As I said before, policy lynches=scum hiding place. But, I think KK was joking, and unless he takes further "policy" action against Archon, it's a useless post, which is admittedly anti-town, but not scummy.

KK has a special place in his heart for me. A place where he is constantly torturing, and killing me over and over again.

I will need more information before I say Kublai is scummy, but just quickly reading he is slightly scummy

It would help if you at least wrote 1 sentence saying why...

Hi Archon... Are you Archaists cousin? (Both Arch's)

Nope. We don't know each other.

Forget ppp973. Archon makes a much, much better policy lynch.

I hope this is a joke, or I'll have to seriously re-eavaluate my position on KK.

Also, welcome Archon.

Oh, believe me, it's no joke.

I'll let KK tell us all why he loves me so very very much [/sarcasm] and then I'll post my version.

Starting to read.

[Archon]

Catching up;

I will respond and make posts as if I was actually there. it is my easiest way of re-reading.

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Vote ppp973

for trying to vote early to confuse things and then not voting anyone.

Going to chalk this up to a language barrier, but I thought it was weird how alex said ppp was suspicious for "voting early".

Additionally, I'm not going to touch the ppp thing. I have no problem with his vote, I actually thought it was kind of clever (although I'm sure it's been done countless times).

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Since PieIsPopcorn is starting the questioning in the opening 2 pages where people are still going to pop in with their random vote, all he accomplishes is sewing confusion and chaos into the opening procedures.

Better to let everyone show up, say their hellos, make their jokes, etc.., and then leap in with pointed questions. I just don't see the benefit in breaking with convention.

I don't care for this post. You'll usually get the player who will say, "Ok RVS is over" or something like that, but there's no, like, set amount of posts or pages that stuff is supposed to go on for.

I can't even give you credit for the confusion idea. PiP isn't stopping anyone from "saying their hellos" or "making their jokes", he saw something that he thought might be discussion worthy, and he brought it up. If someone is confused about a post and or what the author means, they should just ask.

Not sure the motivation here, maybe, as Brian suggested, to subtly pile on the PiP attacks?

Well, it gives me a reason to

unvote

and now

vote: Kublai Khan

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And I find this opportunistic, vote stays.

Could you explain this a little more?

whoa... KK, are you fealing alright? You are acting totally different. The above post sums it up nicely though, so I won't add anything.

You said that you were scared, only mafia are scared to be lynched when the lynched targeted.

What makes you think that only mafia should be afraid to be lynched? If anything townies should be more nervous about a lynch, as they don't know if the person will turn up mafia or town.

PPP, everyone should be afraid of a lynch. You must be a jester or whatnot if you aren't.

FOS; PPP

Snappy? Defensive? Holy leaping to conclusions, Batman! Don't you have to know me first before making that call? All I said was that I disagreed with PieIsPopcorn's early game tactics.

How am I supposed to get to know you without pushing your buttons? Besides, I still see you as being on the defensive if you hastily call my actions "jumping to conclusions". It seems like everyone who's made even the slightest claim against you has gotten a huge post reaction. That's the read I've got on you so far, and it's worth a single vote from me to bring attention to it. You act like I'm already stringing up the rope!

This is what "pushing a wagon without being on it" looks like:

I'll have a detailed post on the criticisms against me tomorrow after school, however I would like to say that I support the Kublai wagon.

I totally agree with you on this one, though. A post from Pie addressing criticisms against himself is all well and good, but the Kublai thing seems tacked on randomly.

Reacting to posts that are made against him is definatley KK. He enjoys attacking people ravenously.

Also... I don't like very much that people start cataloging others as town or townie because that doesn't help at all(IMHO) and is usually a trick by scum to befriend players or remove suspicion from them in a eventual death situation. And can make other people take that towniness for granted too.

Let's focus on finding scum, shall we?

I disagree completely. Making public your belief that "I think player A is town" or "I believe player B might be scum" is the very basic foundation of useful information to hunt scum. If we don't say who we suspect and who we don't suspect, how else are we to find the scum?

@ Light-kun: I don't quite get you. From what I understand, you read my first "real" vote as opportunistic, and you voted me because of that. I get that, that's fine. But then you say that PieIsPopcorn and Kublai Khan are both scummy, I'm "low percentage" (meaning less likely to be scum), and from what I read from your post 70, you find Pie's argument against Kublai to be a convincing one.

Is all the above accurate? I'm just trying to get a hold on what you've been posting, but you've been doing it in a confusing manner (IMO, maybe it's just me).

I see it both ways.

It would be a pretty good tactic to townie-ize someone, especialy one of their own. However, it is the basis of calling poeple out as being townie or suspicious that makes this game what it is.

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Will read more later.
i have homework.

[RedCoyote]

unvote

Mod

, can I ask you to consider prodding/replacing Cream? I'm thinking he may just be a little too busy right now to play.

Welcome to Archon.

[afatchic]

Mod

, can I ask you to consider prodding/replacing Cream? I'm thinking he may just be a little too busy right now to play.

Consider it done. Prodding him now.

[Kublai Khan]

Cool. Interesting range of reactions.

For the record, I'm currently playing in an ongoing game with Archon. One in which neither of our roles are currently revealed, so obviously neither of us can really comment. So the comment is a meta-joke (one obviously that Archon got (post 188)) because in that game the idea of policy lynching got brought up as well. But if he plays this game like he's playing the other game, my comment will be prophetic.

Now for the record, I've already laid out my opinion on policy lynches in posts 147 & 149. I am carrying over some suspicion (and my vote) of PieIsPopcorn over to Archon, so I would strongly argue that I am not currently pursuing a policy lynch. That said...

I don't like this statement. If you're serious then you're scummy for wanting to lynch a player before they even really post anything. Of course, you could always hide behind your statement by saying you were just joking. Either way, it's not pro-town.

Unvote
Vote: Kubli Khan

What the hell is this post about? It's like a recipe for how to make scum pie.

You start with a hefty cut of hypothetical ("If you're serious..."), mix it with equal parts WIFOM logic ("...you could always hide..."). Flavor it with a dose of false dichtomy ("Either way..."). Bake it at a temperature that ignores any of my previous posts or positions on policy lynches (shows he doesn't read the game). And serve quickly with a pre-emptive vote within the same post (shows he's close-minded).

Great job, chef Archaist.

[Archaist]

Great job, chef Archaist.

Thank you.

[cateraction]

Really? You're not even going to address his vote? I agree with KK about your vote on him and I think it deserves an answer.

I don't really understand the hating on KK. I really don't see any case for him, other than him being a bit abrasive, which I don't see pushing him either way on scum scale.

I'm also waiting for ppp to say something useful.

[RedCoyote]

ppp, again, please explain post 137.

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I'll give us one more thing to talk about with my

vote: Light-kun

.

1)

Archaist brought up that he was concerned about you ignoring him.

Or, you could repost your question... if it was in a block of text, I've become lazy lately and don't read them that closely.

I said earlier that I didn't find this particularly scummy, but as I'm rereading I may be flip-flopping on that. The fact of the matter is, you were the one to bring up your "percentage" system. I'm not criticizing it, but I will criticize the fact that you're getting defensive about addressing inquiries over it. Maybe you did miss his questions, maybe not, but you were having a small discussion with him at that moment, which leads me to believe you wouldn't have forgotten about him so easily.

2)

You've been having some trouble keeping track of names and identities.

Hm, it appears I miscued. At post 84, after rereading 81, I should have proceeded to attack Pie, who was very defensive when I doubly attacked Pie and KK. Also, KK shows superior logic and makes sense.

I understand this could happen once, but now I can come up with two serious occasions of this happening, post 169 and post 80. Post 169, above, I

think

you're saying that, since post 81, you've been meaning to attack Pie. Pie is, by your own admission, the polar opposite of KK in an argument, and you've been railing against KK in numerous posts (see my next point). Post 80, below, happened earlier when you went on for several posts with a vote on Brian, calling him scummy, when you actually meant to have been calling KK the scummy one.

Wow, honestly, I thought I did this already.

Unvote; Vote Kublai Kahn

When I said opportunistic [post 62], I thought I had switched votes to Kublai Kahn for some reason. I suppose that, maybe, I read someone else's unvote/vote KK as my own. Oh well, that's solved.

This could potentially mean that you aren't too concerned with who it is you are voting or suspecting, or it could mean an easy excuse to keep you looking good to everyone. Either way, I don't like it.

3)

The constant pushing of KK.

My point is that [pushing KK] is at least significantly better than the policy lynch discussion. [...] I just think we shouldn't waste time with a stupid policy lynch discussion.

Cateraction: Where do you think KK adress Pie's accusations?

You've gotten on KK pretty hard and pretty fast, which can be acceptable if you have an aggressive playstyle, but what concerns me is how you seem very overly occupied with KK despite the fact other things are going on around you.

Why are we letting ppp distract us so much that Kublai's accusations are no longer being pursued?

Everything needs to be dismissed for favor of KK to you.

Can we move off the novice discussion and move more on the KK versus Pie discussion?

Well, maybe you see something really bad in KK, I guess my question then would be what that really bad thing was.

we should move back to previous discussion [of KK].

I agree that I've seen a couple of KK posts that I didn't care for, but I also agree with Brian that he's done a pretty good job addressing his issues. Right now I may be a little concerned with KK's offense, or lack thereof, but that's just because I can't think of anything off the top of my head he's done that's not "I'm innocent, dammit".


I know I remind you of a superhero, but right now you remind me of a supervillain. XD

[Archaist]

I agree with KK about your vote on him and I think it deserves an answer.

I wanted to avoid the following because it's a "yes it is... no it isn't... yes it is... etc" debate, but here it is.

You start with a hefty cut of hypothetical ("If you're serious...")

Of course I do. I don't know what you're thinking. It would be stranger if I didn't phrase it that way.

mix it with equal parts WIFOM logic ("...you could always hide...")

It's true, you could. No sense denying it.

Flavor it with a dose of false dichtomy ("Either way...").

There are only two options: (1) you were serious, (2) you were joking (unless you can think of any more). Your comment is scummy in either context. No false dichotomy here.

Bake it at a temperature that ignores any of my previous posts or positions on policy lynches (shows he doesn't read the game).

It doesn't matter what you said before, a scummy comment is a scummy comment. Going by your method if a player started out without any scummy posts he should be safe for the entire game because people attacking him would be ignoring his previous posts.

And serve quickly with a pre-emptive vote within the same post (shows he's close-minded).

Pre-emptive? Do I need your permission to vote or something? The only thing it shows is that I think you're scummy. If I was closed minded I wouldn't have unvoted Light-kun.

[Kublai Khan]

Flavor it with a dose of false dichtomy ("Either way...").

There are only two options: (1) you were serious, (2) you were joking (unless you can think of any more). Your comment is scummy in either context. No false dichotomy here.

That's not the two options you presented. You said that I was either (1) serious or (2) pretending to be joking. Then you voted saying that either way I was anti-town.

Bake it at a temperature that ignores any of my previous posts or positions on policy lynches (shows he doesn't read the game).

It doesn't matter what you said before, a scummy comment is a scummy comment. Going by your method if a player started out without any scummy posts he should be safe for the entire game because people attacking him would be ignoring his previous posts.

Ignoring your appeal to ridicule, what's wrong with that. True scum-hunting involves detecting long-term anti-town planning within an individual's play. Fake scum-hunting involves playing "gotcha!".

And serve quickly with a pre-emptive vote within the same post (shows he's close-minded).

Pre-emptive? Do I need your permission to vote or something? The only thing it shows is that I think you're scummy. If I was closed minded I wouldn't have unvoted Light-kun.

No, you don't need my permission, but you didn't wait or even ask me to explain my comment. You saw ppp973 and LesterGroans make "WTF? This sounds scummy" comments, so you lept in with a vote hoping to start a bandwagon.

This seems to be kinda a pattern with you. You put up a case & vote against alexhans, then abandoned it without any follow-up because you couldn't get anyone to join you. You put up a case & vote against Light_kun, but then abandoned it without a follow-up because nobody was joining you. Now you put up a case & vote against me.

unvote
vote: Archaist

[Archaist]

Of course, you could always hide behind your statement by saying you were just joking.

That's not the two options you presented. You said that I was either (1) serious or (2) pretending to be joking.

Please tell me where I said "pretended." I said you

could

hide behind it, not that you

were

.

True scum-hunting involves detecting long-term anti-town planning within an individual's play. Fake scum-hunting involves playing "gotcha!".

That's your opinion. Either method could work in the right situation. First of all I never said "gotcha!" if that's what you're implying. Even if I did say that, if it got a suitable reaction from someone it would be ok. Not every scum is going to plan out long term anti-town procedures.

No, you don't need my permission, but you didn't wait or even ask me to explain my comment.

If I feel you explain it well enough I'll remove the vote. My statement obviously had more impact with the vote however.

You saw ppp973 and LesterGroans make "WTF? This sounds scummy" comments, so you lept in with a vote hoping to start a bandwagon.

Nice assumption. Care to prove what I was hoping?

You put up a case & vote against alexhans, then abandoned it without any follow-up because you couldn't get anyone to join you. You put up a case & vote against Light_kun, but then abandoned it without a follow-up because nobody was joining you. Now you put up a case & vote against me.

Obviously. My goal is to lynch the people I find scummy. It's kinda hard to do that when I'm the only one that sees something wrong with what they post. All three of you are suspicious to me, so I would gladly lynch any.

Oh, and nice OMGUS vote.

[afatchic]

Votecount coming as soon as someone else posts so that it will be at the top of the page.

Cream147 still has not picked up his Prod. I will be V/La this weekend, so i will give him until sunday night to pick up the prod before i begin looking for a replacement.

As i just said, I will be V/La this weekend, so if you need any prods or have a question or something please post this within the next 12 hours and I will be glad to fix the situation. I'm still unsure, but i may look for a backup mod for the weekend, just to be safe.

Anyways, thats about it. I'll edit a votecount in as soon as someone posts.