Mini #764: Notre Dame Mafia, Game Over

[AceMarksman]

I kid you not.

Oh and

Mod, a vote count would be much appreciated

[ac1983fan]

There was a votecount on pg 25, nobody's voted or unvoted since then I believe...

[AceMarksman]

Oh, right then.

[zwetschenwasser]

DFG, what's so scummy about my reaction?

[petroleumjelly]

Day One Vote Count #14

4 Budja (charter, Kast, CrashTextDummie, ac1983fan)
3 charter (Rishi, ZEEnon, zwetschenwasser)
2 DrippingGoofball (AceMarksman, ortolan)

1 Kast (Kinetic)
1 Rishi (Budja)
1 zwetschenwasser (DrippingGoofball)

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch and

4

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is April 22, 9:59 pm CDT.

Not Voting – 0 – Nobody

ac1983fan is being replaced, and I am still searching for a replacement for ZEEnon. I am about at the point where I am wondering if the game should be abandoned, since this will make

seven

replacements before Day One is over, and I am just plain sick and tired of searching for replacements for a game that so many players were excited to join in the first place.

Please PM me your opinion on whether you would like for this game to be abandoned.

[zwetschenwasser]

*facepalm* I mean DGB.

[AceMarksman]

deadline is looming, and I don't want this day to end in no-lynch

unvote, Vote; budja

[ortolan]

^^ at this point he will be lynched anyway.

If Budja flips scum, I think Ort deserves more scrutiny, as he really seems to be the primary drive in pulling pressure away from Budja while at the same time claiming to suspect Budja.

Very well said.

Yet he's one of your towniest and you're not voting him either?

Someone else feel free to collect the claims, I can't right now. I think zEEnon claimed his plague/NK cards too now though.

I agree that it feels like people are trying to defend Budja or at least pull attention away from him. I don't follow how pulling attention to DGB indicates that DGB and Budja are scum together; on a surface level it would indicate the opposite, and even digging a few levels deeper, it's easier to believe it indicates the opposite as well.


If Budja flips scum, I think Ort deserves more scrutiny, as he really seems to be the primary drive in pulling pressure away from Budja while at the same time claiming to suspect Budja.

If Budja flips scum, it will strongly clear Charter in my eyes, since he had many opportunities to jumped to a different and target, and Budja's lynch was far from a solid runner up for quite some time.

Possible DGB and Kast are scum with Budja.

ORT- Did Budja pick an apothecary or a mimic in his pick#2?

Has it already been confirmed he had both these cards?

[AceMarksman]

^^ at this point he will be lynched anyway.

just in case someone unvotes.

[Kast]

@Ort-
At every turn, you seem unhappy with a Budja lynch. I don't see how you can at all reasonably claim that this indicates *I* am on a scum team with Budja. At best, you are OMGUS suspecting me for pointing out your behavior.

Kinetic claimed to pass those cards to Budja and Budja confirmed them. If you were passed a card that is not Mimic and not Apothecary, then Kinetic and Budja were lying together. Lying about something that is easily caught seems extremely unlikely, but share if that is the case.

Given that you are the one pushing the DGB/Budja scum theory, I find it extremely suspicious that you don't want to confirm something that objectively helps determine whether the theory is probable or not at very low information risk to the town.

If you think Budja is scum, then he already knows your card, so no harm is done in sharing it (equalizes information for the town with no information gain for scum). If you think he is a townie, then scum already know that one of Budja/Ort has the Apoth and the other has the Mimic from Kinetic. Low information gain for scum, and solid information to help the town evaluate your Budja/DGB theory.

[Kast]

Btw- ZEEnon claimed Rat/NK, nothing about plague. It is a bit odd that you mix up the two since you were the main proponent for Rat claims and were against Plague claims.

[Kast]

@Mod-

Is that correct that ACFan is being replaced?
Can we get an update on Kinetic?

@DGB/AM-
Zwet claims to have defensively drafted. That implies to me that he is claiming to have picked the Plague and/or the Rat and was probably passed the double.

One of his three cards was passed and cannot reasonably be used to indicate his alignment.

ZEEnon would be the best player to verify Zwet, but as he is MIA, it would be good if Rishi can at least confirm whether he passed one of those three cards (ie. if Rishi claims to have passed Cop and Sanc, then we know one of Rishi/Zwet is lying).

Also possible if Rishi confirms, we may show that Zwet was actually passed the Rat or Plague, which, I assume, would greatly reduce the reason both of you have expressed suspicion of him.

Also, all of these recent points, of catching scum in lies or narrowing down and helping determine alignment or alignment pairs are the actual benefits we would have gained through a universal mass card claim.

Some potentially damning stuff, but mostly things that can help guide our scumhunting. Scum learn some, but with all our partial claims, it is quite possible that they know all of the cards in play and ~2/3 of what was picked by each player (this goes down if Zwet or Kinetic are scum).

[AceMarksman]

Zwet passed a sanctuary and an apothecary after the first draft, and a mimic after the second.

[Budja]

unvote, vote charter

.

[DrippingGoofball]

unvote, vote charter

.

That's it? A defensive vote without a comment?

[AceMarksman]

Budja, explain yourself.

[DrippingGoofball]

Sheesh... even I would be willing to vote Budja at this point; for that post alone.

[AceMarksman]

Why don't you? He's gonna be lynched already, might as well get it over with faster, if nothing else but to give are new replacements a night to read over the game.

[Budja]

Well, what else am I meant to do?

[AceMarksman]

claim?

[DrippingGoofball]

claim?

For starters.

"Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim can take a lifetime."

[Kinetic]

Still here, responding to prod, will post content I promise. Ugh I hate school.

[Budja]

townie.

[AceMarksman]

townie.

=next lynch.

[charter]

Frankly, I am still worried that Budja is going to manage to slip through the cracks. I think that DGB is his scumbuddy. I don't think kast is likely Budja's partner.