The Werewolves of Millers Hollow (Game Over)

[Mufasa]

Yes Yos but battlemage is listed as a female in the character list

[zwetschenwasser]

Flub. Inothernews,Ididexplainwhyyosrolefished.

Was there anything scummy about Yos asking for a full claim of Millar towards the end of day 1? If so, please explain. If not, why bring it up?

No. It was rolefishing, but not scummy rolefishing. Percy, I couldn't care less if millar stays around for the rest of the game. The important thing is that the WIFOM surrounding him is gone.

[dingoatemybaby]

Dumping a vote on a lurker (who really had just flaked) and keeping it there was something I did as scum in the last game I played. It allowed me to distance myself from a vote that manifested against a townie who was acting in a very scummy way.

I'm NOT saying it is wrong to vote for a lurker. I am saying it is wrong to say you will keep your vote on that lurker (or flaker) no matter how scummy other players might turn out to be.

[zwetschenwasser]

PRUFT

[dingoatemybaby]

No. It was rolefishing, but not scummy rolefishing.

If it was not scummy role fishing, why have you made an issue of it?

[zwetschenwasser]

I have not made an issue of it.

[dingoatemybaby]

PRUFT

What does this mean?

[zwetschenwasser]

Posted Right Under for Truthery

[Firestarter]

Percy leaving a vote on a lurker as a tactic to get someone to contribute more...
I think this is a fair strategy, until someone scummier comes along, or the votee comes across as townish when they do start playing properly. Also, as long as Percy is actively participating in the game, I would not consider it a huge thing, to use this method as a tactic.

I also see Dingo's concern in someone pledging their vote until the other player plays "excellently". In this case, "Excellent scumhunting" being the operative term.
However, in order for "Excellent scumhunting" to happen, the said lurker would need to possibly lead the lynching, or contribute vastly to the lynching of at least 1 scumbag, in the next phase of their posting at the very least. Ok, that might be over doing it, but the expectation level would be too high using the above phrase.

But votes apply pressure one way or the other, speaking of which....

UNVOTE: VOTE: Musafa...

So now your saying you dont know why you said you were looking at a BM lynch.
You stated...

"But I didn't find him to be the best thing since slice bread looking back on day 1 and am glad he isnt mayor."

Again, your reasoning to this is required

[dingoatemybaby]

I have not made an issue of it.

You said Yos's "rolefishing" was something "worth pursuing". If it was not scummy, why is it worth pursuing?

[zwetschenwasser]

To start discussion over Yos's posts. As it amounted to little, it's not really worth pursuing anymore.

[dingoatemybaby]

To start discussion over Yos's posts. As it amounted to little, it's not really worth pursuing anymore.

So your goal was to ask you why you wanted to pursue the issue, and once you saw your answer, you were satisfied the subject was closed?

[zwetschenwasser]

Yes.

[Yosarian2]

Yes Yos but battlemage is listed as a female in the character list

oohhhh...as in, "female, so he can't post". Got it.

[dingoatemybaby]

Yes.

*sigh*

[Yosarian2]

Anyway, I'm currenlty leaning towards either lynching one of the lurkers, like Zoneace, or lynching Zwet for general wierdness involving the millar wagon yesterday.

Vote:Zoneace

Remember, I'm a doublevoter, so I think he has...3 votes on him now? Something like that?

[zwetschenwasser]

Why lynch lurkers? He's getting replaced soon.

[dingoatemybaby]

LOL@myself for calling Zoneace "Zoneface". It was unintentional. I guess I can't read.

Have we had a prod on Zone recently?

[Yosarian2]

Why lynch lurkers? He's getting replaced soon.

Because lynching lurkers is basically always a good idea, or at least a good place to put your vote while waiting for something better.

If he gets replaced, that's one thing. But if he comes back, he should do so with a significant amount of pressure on him to start making real content ASAP or die.

[Yosarian2]

LOL@myself for calling Zoneace "Zoneface". It was unintentional. I guess I can't read.

Everyone does that. It's even the basis of his title, heh.

And yes, he was prodded.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm pretty sure he's getting replaced.

[Jahudo]

I'd rather let Zoneace get Zone-replaced since he hasn't been posting in other games either. He last posted 7 days ago. He was prodded 1 day ago. If he doesn't show up soon we may see his replacement by mid-week.

I'm growing more suspicious of Mufasa's awareness of the game. His characterization of BM looks very general and could be applied to other players. Also his self-vote, while not really bad by itself, was made on page 4 when the discussion was shifting away from votes to more serious matters.

And he didn't make any contributions or observations on his own. He supported the BM, Yos and Fonz mayor wagons and the X lynch after others did and he didn't distinguish himself from the crowd. To me it looks like trying to imitate the group's thoughts, rather than expound on them or challenge them. That's a safe move for town that don't want to get in trouble but it's an even safer move for scum that want to stay under the radar.

Vote: Mufasa

[Mufasa]

Firestarter I said I dont know to why I originally thought BM looked so pro Town day one not what I said afterwards

[Percy]

@dingo:

I'm sure that calling out lurkers is a good idea. However, you suggested you would keep your vote on him until he provided "excellent" scum hunting. That seems to me a way to keep a vote out there which won't really do anything. It is an easy way to avoid committing to an actual lynch.

...and related discussion which I won't quote.

I'm putting a lot of pressure on ZONEACE* to make sure his replacement hits the ground running with lots of good analysis. I am not willing to let him (or his replacement) slip by without notice for another day.

Let me put it this way: I won't vote for someone else today until I start seeing protown behaviour from ZONEACE/replacement. I don't think we should lynch anyone until this occurs, because we'd have to repeat this all over again tomorrow. I can still comment on other cases (and have been doing so), but if a player gets lynched before ZONEACE gets replaced then that's a terrible result for the town.

*I believe someone made the comment that "ZONEACE needs to show his ZONEFACE", which stuck in my brain due to hilaire and perhaps is the source of the name confusion.


@Mufasa:

His posting with the rise and fall of plot isn't my favorite play, and I have found to be scumtell in various games.

Can you provide a link to any games in which you've used this scumtell successfully?

I just don't see this as a legitimate scumtell, at all. I'd like for you to provide some evidence for its usefulness.


@zwet:

No. It was rolefishing, but not scummy rolefishing. Percy, I couldn't care less if millar stays around for the rest of the game. The important thing is that the WIFOM surrounding him is gone.

Firstly, asking for someone at L-1 to claim is not rolefishing. Secondly, you made a big deal out of it (HOW COME NO-ONE NOTICED?! or something to that effect) when everyone else could see it for what it was.

Now you've said that it was to start discussion on Yos. It failed. Do you still want to talk about Yos? What is your opinion of him now?

Also, the WIFOM surrounding millar has

not

gone. People are still talking about whether we can assume he's a stumped townie or something more malevolent. I think it's a terrible idea to lynch a Jester (or some other related role), but you seem to think that if someone might be a Jester you might as well lynch them just to be sure. Is this correct?

@Mike:
It's bare, as in carry
You didn't vote for a mayor, which I find odd. Are you happy with Yosarian2? Why or why not?

[Yosarian2]

[quote="Percy"
Also, the WIFOM surrounding millar has

not

gone. People are still talking about whether we can assume he's a stumped townie or something more malevolent. [/quote]

Eh...didn't the mod basically tell us he was pro-town in his post?