Open 131 - Nightless Vanilla (Over) before 767

[hewitt]

No I was just pissed about the bitchy response I got back was all.

[Netlava]

Sorry for not posting. I am really busy. I'll try to post later tonight.

[Jazzmyn]

No I was just pissed about the bitchy response I got back was all.

Who and/or what post are you responding to with this?

Regards,
Jazz

[Empking]

This would have been a lot funnier if Lowell was already at L-1 when you did it.

I don't like this statement. If Lowell is town, that wouldn't be funny at all.

It would've been.

[Wall-E]

Explain why you voted WC for a "slip", then left white castle to vote me when I said it wasn't a slip. Not only that, you said that by declaring WC town I was "clearing a path for scum" or something.

Did I convince you WC was town? If not, why aren't you voting him? If I did and you're worried scum will kill him (in a nightless, somehow), why are you voting me?

False dilemma.

[Wall-E]

I thought it was directed at me.

Um, what? Then why did you say that you didn't know what it was about and that you didn't even know what post you were referencing?

Do you honestly think I'm the type of person who would be baited into responding to the word "scumbuddies" like that?

It is quite apparent that you did, in fact, respond to it (no baiting required), and it is also apparent that you later claimed not to know what you were responding to, nor why. So, please explain that.

I have a bit better of a poker-face than that!

Really? In whose opinion? Aren't you the same guy who claims to be the longest-running newbie ever, and who claims to be useless at the game when it suits you to say so? Was that in this game or some other recent game?

Regards,
Jazz

I lost the post, you found it and pointed out that it wasn't directed at me. Thanks!

[Wall-E]

I suppose, Jazzmyn, that my point is this: I would never respond to a post that called the addressee scum unless my name was attached to the post. Ever.

[hewitt]

I was responding to you Jazzmyn.

[Jazzmyn]

I suppose, Jazzmyn, that my point is this: I would never respond to a post that called the addressee scum unless my name was attached to the post. Ever.

And yet, you responded to a post calling Lowell scum in which he was asked if his scumbuddies had his back, by posting, "Who, in your opinion, has had my back in this game?" How do you explain that?

Regards,
Jazz

[Wall-E]

An honest mistake. I now see your point, but who would really feel baited into responding to something like that as scum? I guess I just feel like that's insulting.

The theory you are presenting is this:

Bob: Johnny is the scum.

Scum-Mike: Am

not

the scum!

Bob: I was addressing Johnny.

Right?

The situation was this:

Bob: Johnny is scum.

Mike: Are you talking to me? Why do you say that?

Bob: I was talking to Johnny.

Mike: Oh. My bad. I misread something.

[millar13]

You two married?

[Wall-E]

Fishing for roleclaims?

[Wall-E]

EBWOP: Now I don't know what you meant. I thought you were inferring lovers. What do you mean by 285?

[millar13]

You sound like a married couple always arguing

[Wall-E]

How helpful of you.

[Rishi]

Vote Count – Page 12

Lowell – 4 (Adam Smith, millar13, Empking, Wall-E)
millar13 – 2 (farside22, lixyl)
skitzer – 2 (Netlava, Jazzmyn)
Wall-E – 2 (Lowell, skitzer)
hewitt – 1 (White Castle)

Not voting: hewitt

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Slow weekend in this thread. Will check for prods tonight or tomorrow.

[Lowell]

Right on cue wall-e and millar disagree about something.

[farside22]

I'm sorry rishi I'm trying to catch up in this game but I had a few things come up. If I can't get to this by Wednesday I may have to replace out just so the town isn't hurt by my performance.

[Wall-E]

Lowell, who is the first and second most scummiest player in this game and why, in ten words or less per player?

[Lowell]

wall-e for looking for reasons stated,
millar for buddying up to wall-e and emp

[Wall-E]

wall-e for looking for reasons stated,
millar for buddying up to wall-e and emp

Can you give a quoted example of each of these? I would appreciate it.

[Wall-E]

Okay I'm sold on white castle being town. And no prod needed.

Unvote: Vote: Lowell

FINALLY! A GOOD LEAD!

PS don't clear people for the scum to kill thanks

My first real vote on Lowell. It was predicated upon a misunderstanding on my part, and I officially retract it if I have not done so already.

Jazzmyn also used the wiki in this game, and it was an appeal to authority (Tarlhandur's debunked tells), which is a logical fallacy. He did append the reference by saying that he disagreed with the specific tell, but the fact that he used it at all is still AtA.

Do you deny this, Jazzmyn? In case I'm being unclear, what I mean is that Tarhalindur's opinions on the tell do not equate to fact, nor are they even relevant to this game, as all tells are case-by-case. Given that, they cannot be used to support OR denounce any argument in this game. They are merely there to look pretty, argumentatively speaking.

Lowell's 247 is biased. He lists votes by me without stating my reasons while simultaneously extending the courtesy to other players, calls my arguments staged (how can anyone prove/disprove that?) and is trying generally to paint me scummy without justification.

He initially states his interest in voting me, but is cautious to do so in fear of looking too eager.

Quote or you're lying.

Do you deny that you were clearing people for the scum?

You're right that my heart hasn't been in any of my votes yet. So? Is bandwagoning a scumtell all of a sudden?

Lowell still hasn't addressed this. The part that has been crossed out was retracted by me.

Equating people jumping on your badwagon with idiocy is ad hominem. Man, your post is just full of nonsense.

Lowell still hasn't addressed this. Fallacies muddy the thread with irrelevant words that distract from razor-sharp scumhunting.

You are saying that millar has been playing follow-the-Wall-E.

I suppose I can't refute that (or even think of a reason why I'd want to) but I'm curious what conclusion you've drawn from this data.

Lowell still hasn't answered this.

Good point! I bet Millar agrees with you!

I've shown you the courtesy of addressing each of your points against me and you've responded to criticism of your own plays with deflective rhetoric. I'm beginning to dislike this course of actions from you.

This is still true. Rather than talk about the meat of my case, he is quibbling over the dessert fork.

Post 44 is a great post.

I'll vote Lowell when we're ready to end the day.

This is post 55.

Great a nightless with a billion scum...

vote white castel

OMGUS aside, this reminds me of something I read here:

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... dard_Tells

At the bottom of the page is the "Well, That Sucks" Tell.

You signed up for this game knowing the ratio of town to scum, and that it was nightless.

unvote, vote Lowell

And this is post 44.

I see nobody exhibiting fear in either post. The fact that you gave a good reason for the lack of knowledge mollified me, if that's what you mean,

but I don't go around advertising when someone looks town to me. Saavy?

Again, this crossed out segment has been retracted. Regardless, where is this 'fear'?

Yeaaaah, you're reaching on me. Sorry. If anyone else takes you seriously at all I'll go through and properly explain my actions in regards to you, but I think it's pretty clear you're pulling this out of your rump.

I decided to go ahead and compile my case against my #1 suspect. I'd like Lowell to address it first, but others are welcome to comment after he's done. One more thing:

Explain why you voted WC for a "slip", then left white castle to vote me when I said it wasn't a slip. Not only that, you said that by declaring WC town I was "clearing a path for scum" or something.

Did I convince you WC was town? If not, why aren't you voting him? If I did and you're worried scum will kill him (in a nightless, somehow), why are you voting me?

False dilemma.

Another fallacy.

[skitzer]

Jazzmyn, farside wasn't completely serious about it though. I can't believe you are arguing this much into it.

[Jazzmyn]

An honest mistake. I now see your point, but who would really feel baited into responding to something like that as scum? I guess I just feel like that's insulting.

But nobody ever said that you were baited into anything. Rather, you raised the "baiting" issue yourself. It's weird, though, that you said that you would never EVER respond to a post referencing scum if it did not name you specifically (even though you did precisely that).

The theory you are presenting is this:
Bob: Johnny is the scum.
Scum-Mike: Am

not

the scum!
Bob: I was addressing Johnny.
Right?

Wrong. I didn't present a theory. I noticed and commented on the fact that you responded to a "scumbuddies" comment by White Castle, which was directed to Lowell, in a manner that shows that you thought it was referencing you. Your explanation for it has been less than satisfactory.

The situation was this:
Bob: Johnny is scum.
Mike: Are you talking to me? Why do you say that?
Bob: I was talking to Johnny.
Mike: Oh. My bad. I misread something.

No, the situation was more like this:
WC: Lowell is scum and so are his scumbuddies.
Wall: No, I'm not.
Hewitt: Who are you talking to, Wall?
Wall: I dunno. Can't find the post or the person that I was referencing.
Jazz: The post is right there, and it didn't mention you at all. Did you get confused and respond to the scumbuddies comment by accident?
Wall: I thought it was directed to me.
Jazz: But you just said you didn't know what it was you were responding to.
Wall: I have too good a poker face to respond to something like that.
Jazz: But you just did respond to it, and then said you didn't know what you were responding to, and then said you thought it was directed to you.
Wall: I would never - ever - respond to a post that referred to the addressee as scum unless it had my name attached to it.
Jazz: And yet, you just did.
Wall: Oh, oops, yeah, I guess I see your point. Honest mistake. But I would never, ever be baited into responding to the post I actually responded to, no really, that's insulting.

Bizarro.

Regards,
Jazz

[Jazzmyn]

You two married?

Please, I'd slit my wrists first.

I'm sorry rishi I'm trying to catch up in this game but I had a few things come up. If I can't get to this by Wednesday I may have to replace out just so the town isn't hurt by my performance.

You'll do a greater disservice to the town by replacing out and leaving it up to someone else to catch up who won't be able to explain your posts or your actions, as few and as poor as they are. So, please do your best to catch up rather than replace out.

At the very least, please address the point about whether you were serious or not about policy lynching Empking, as skitzer keeps insisting that he knows your true motives and insists that you were not serious, despite your posts that indicate that you were, in fact, serious.

Do you deny this, Jazzmyn?

Asked and answered, Wall. How about reading the posts? I already addressed this in 271.

Jazzmyn, farside wasn't completely serious about it though. I can't believe you are arguing this much into it.

Lol. You're the one who claims to know what farside isn't serious about, despite her absence and despite her posts that indicate the contrary. I can't believe you're still drawing oxygen in this game.

Regards,
Jazz