Mini 771 - Mafia in Ludd: Game Over

[Patrick]

Interesting.

Unvote

for now. If you're telling the truth, I'd suggest PMing any questions to vollkan, I doubt he'll answer them in thread.

If you recruit someone, will they know about it today or only when night hits?

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camn (0/7):
charter (4/7): OhGodMyLife, Korts, Ether, Green Crayons
DizzyIzzyB13 (2/7): charter, Xdaamno
Ether (0/7):
Green Crayons (0/7):
Incognito (0/7):
Korts (2/7): DizzyIzzyB13, Incognito
OhGodMyLife (0/7):
Patrick (0/7):
skitzer (0/7):
Xdaamno (0/7):
Yosarian2 (0/7):

Not voting (4/12):

skitzer, Yosarian2, camn, Patrick

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Countdown To Deadline
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[Incognito]

I think it's unlikely that charter is a cult recruiter -- vollkan's opening flavor seems to suggest that this set-up might be purely Mafia vs. Town:

Welcome to the town of Ludd, population 12. Ludd was formed in the 1960s by a small group of countercultural environmentalists and has since blossomed into a peaceful, if somewhat smelly, hippy commune. Recent reports suggest, however,

that the mafia

have set their sights upon Ludd, as an inconspicious base for future operations.

Unfortunately for the residents of Ludd, Earth Week has just begun. Showing their superior level of commitment to the empty symbolism of Earth Hour, the Luddites have decided that for the remainder of the following week (or longer if they so desire) they will stay together in a single room using absolutely no electricity. Many dark nights are ahead...

the mafia

are getting excited.

I know the last time I was in a

voll-mod Mini Normal

, his flavor also seemed to suggest that the game would be purely Mafia vs. Town, and the game pretty much ended up playing out that way as well.

It'd be awesome if vollkan could answer charter's question since it might provide a bit more clarity about charter's claimed role, though I'm doubting he will.

@Xdaamno:

I, too, would like further clarification about your "read" of me since I, like Patrick, don't think what you've mentioned makes much sense. It seems to make more sense if you say "there's probably no

mafia

players under suspicion right now". Further, why are you only pulling out two quotes that I made recently to use for your read of me? Wouldn't general vibes throughout the thread or overall behavior be more useful to determine an alignment?

[Xdaamno]

Yep, I mistyped. I meant mafia.

What's your point? I was in a hurry, and that jumped out at me. Similarily, the same logic applies even more strongly to why I missed out the entire post record of other players.

[Green Crayons]

I don't buy you can become a mason with someone without an alignment shifts. Then you aren't masons. You're neighbors.

Does your win condition change at all depending on who you target? Does their win condition change at all depending on what alignment they originally were?

[camn]

Neighbors. Unconfirmed masons. Whats the difference?

[Green Crayons]

Masons are on the same team. It is what makes them masons. I've never heard of it as otherwise unless if "unconfirmed masons" is some hip role that I'm out of the loop about.

Neighbors just talk to one another. No alignment shift. No confirmation. The fact that charter is a "mason" whose role is actually a neighbor sounds like baloney.

[camn]

neighbor = unconfirmed mason.

[OhGodMyLife]

charter resorts to ad hom and straw man because he's out of options.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE IN A MINI WITH A CULT?

Bolded for farsighted folks.

WHEN DID YOUR LYNCH SUDDENLY BECOME BECAUSE EVERYONE VOTING YOU THINKS YOU ARE CULT? THIS == STRAWMAN

Please see this post and get a better argument than THERE IS NO CULT SO YOU CAN'T LYNCH ME.

That all said, if you day mason recruit me right now I will go back to lynching Yosarian2. That would be both awesome and convincing.

[charter]

If you recruit someone, will they know about it today or only when night hits?

Today, before night.

I don't buy you can become a mason with someone without an alignment shifts. Then you aren't masons. You're neighbors.

Does your win condition change at all depending on who you target? Does their win condition change at all depending on what alignment they originally were?

Take this up with vollkan. No one's win condition changes.

[OhGodMyLife]

DC, mason vs. neighbor is a semantics issue. Some mods use mason to mean strictly confirmed town night talkers, some do not. A hypothetical mason recruiter is an obvious case of the not confirmed variety.

[Green Crayons]

Fine, semantics go out the window then.

unvote, vote: X

. For previous reasons against X. OGML's 602 is not as amazing as he's making it out to be because charter's target will know before the end of the night and will have "mason" in their name when they die. It's a role that's entirely confirmable as charter has described it to be.

I strongly support charter targeting whoever does get lynched.

[Xdaamno]

Masons can be scum.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: That was in response to GC's post charter quoted, not to the roleclaim itself.

[Patrick]

Back to this then.

Vote: Korts

. We can test charter's claim today before even lynching anyone, though it needs to be done quickly because we've only got a couple of days left.

[charter]

Ok, I have received lots of clarification.
If I don't use my ability before a lynch, I lose it.
Mason DOES show up when someone dies, so I can force scum to NK me tonight if that's what you guys want to do.

[camn]

Why would they kill you?

And is there any advantage you you mason-pairing with someone who is not about to die?
You get nighttalk, I assume.. but how does that help us?

[charter]

Why would they kill you?

And is there any advantage you you mason-pairing with someone who is not about to die?
You get nighttalk, I assume.. but how does that help us?

Because I'd be confirmed?

I hadn't really planned on talking to whoever I target, I don't think there's any advantage.

[camn]

But you'd be confirmed vanilla. (practically)

[Yosarian2]

Masons are on the same team. It is what makes them masons. I've never heard of it as otherwise unless if "unconfirmed masons" is some hip role that I'm out of the loop about.

Neighbors just talk to one another. No alignment shift. No confirmation. The fact that charter is a "mason" whose role is actually a neighbor sounds like baloney.

The whole idea that "masons are confirmed, so we'll come up with "neighbors"" to mean "unconfirmed masons" is a newfangled idea that most mods don't follow. Hint: Look up "scum mason" in the mafia wiki. Alternatly, look up the many MD topics dicussing this. "Mason" does not mean "100% confirmed town" in the minds of many mods, probably in the mind of most mods.

[Green Crayons]

Alright, so I'm out of the loop. Fair enough. charter should just pick whoever is going to be lynched, then.

[OhGodMyLife]

I don't think charter targeting whoever we end up lynching is wise. Targeting me would be cool. Less cool but still safe choices are Green Crayons and Incognito.

In fact, charter not announcing who exactly he's targeting would be stellar, so his new mason buddy doesn't just get a bullseye drawn on their forehead. He should make the choice privately out of the people who the majority seem to have concluded are town (Green Crayons, Incognito), or myself, since I'm obviously town.

Unvote, Vote: Yosarian2

[Yosarian2]

In fact, charter not announcing who exactly he's targeting would be stellar, so his new mason buddy doesn't just get a bullseye drawn on their forehead.

Huh? Why would the scum be especally worried about killing someone just because they get a "can night talk with charter" ability that otherwise changes nothing? We already know that Charter's mason recruit isn't nightkillable.

[Ether]

I don't have much to say here. I'll

unvote; vote: Korts

. I don't think Charter should target the lynchee, but whoever it is, it should claim before we go to night.

Deadline's in slightly more than 36 hours.

camn (0/7):
charter (1/7): Korts
DizzyIzzyB13 (2/7): charter, Xdaamno
Ether (0/7):
Green Crayons (0/7):
Incognito (0/7):
Korts (4/7): DizzyIzzyB13, Incognito, Patrick, Ether
OhGodMyLife (0/7):
Patrick (0/7):
skitzer (0/7):
Xdaamno (1/7): Green Crayons
Yosarian2 (1/7): OhGodMyLife

Not voting (2/12):
skitzer, Camn

[charter]

We already know that Charter's mason recruit isn't nightkillable.

What?

[Xdaamno]

I'd like to hear Yos' opinion on OGML's proposal, ftr.

Yos, you missed this a page back.