Mini 740 - Communiqu├® Mafia 2: Game Over and the Winner is..

[Rhinox]

got it. crystal clear. thanks.

[Budja]

@mod, Juls is voting me not vice versa.

[dahill1]

Vote Count

2 - Flameaxe: (Strangercoug, Budja)
1 - Casey: (don_jonhson)
1 - Budja: (Juls)

6 - Not Voting: (Skitzer, PhilyEc, DizzyIzzyB13, Flameaxe, Casey, Rhinox)

10 alive means 6 to lynch

Prodding PhilyEc

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Could we have a massprod? This game is falling apart.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

A mass prod sounds liek a good idea. Perhaps it could be accompanied by a deadline?

[dahill1]

Prodding Casey, don_johnson, Skitzer. The rest have posted in the last 2 days.
PhilyEc hasn't picked up his prod yet, but I'll give him one more day before searching for a replacement.

[Juls]

That really sucks if we get yet another replacement. A game like this is not replacement friendly AT ALL.

[PhilyEc]

A game like this isnt user friendly either. I say we do a lynch on the more useless people just because theyre more likely to take advantage of this lack of posting.

[Juls]

Can you please verify if you got the message I sent you via communique?

[Juls]

I'm sorry..I mean by codex, not communique.

[don_johnson]

prod recieved. sorry. i had family in town. i don't intend to abandon. i would like to lynch casey or budja.

[Juls]

I'm leaning toward a Budja lynch but that will quickly change to PhilyEc if he doesn't VERIFY THAT HE HAS RECEIVED MY CODEX...

[PhilyEc]

I'm leaning toward a Budja lynch but that will quickly change to PhilyEc if he doesn't VERIFY THAT HE HAS RECEIVED MY CODEX...

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Yes I've 'received' your codex, I dont understand the point is in telling you I saw it is though..

Anyways, if we're going to lynch someone I'm hung between DJ and Budja.

[don_johnson]

I'm leaning toward a Budja lynch but that will quickly change to PhilyEc if he doesn't VERIFY THAT HE HAS RECEIVED MY CODEX...

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Yes I've 'received' your codex, I dont understand the point is in telling you I saw it is though..

Anyways, if we're going to lynch someone I'm hung between DJ and Budja.

just out of curiosity, why? do you think i'm scum based on "gut" feeling, or can you point to something in thread thinking you can objectively determine my alignment.

[Casey]

I'm still here. Still thinking. There's leads, but not enough information to make a definite decision yet.

Since no lynch is said to be a bad idea, I'll vote for anyone but Juls.

[Budja]

So where did all the Budja hate come from then?

[don_johnson]

So where did all the Budja hate come from then?

i don't hate ya. i want casey lynched. you are my second choice.

[Juls]

Budja, I have enjoyed playing with you and I think you are a swell guy but unfortunately I think you are the scummiest player in the game. When I posted my reasoning, I felt even more comfortable with your lynch after you responded. It seemed to be a weak effort at defending where I have seen you go strong on the attack in this game. I think scum tend to attack stronger and defend weaker. I felt good about you for a little while but the strong buddying (I know you disagree) made me look at you harder. Mainly because I was doing the exact same thing during that time in another game that I was scum in. We lost if it makes you feel any better.

[Budja]

Juls, I know why you are attacking me and I have already responded to your accusations. To make myself clear, I didn't mean "hate" as in dislike there.

I think scum tend to attack stronger and defend weaker.

Thats your view, This is entirely a null-tell. When I have been scum, I have usually attacked weakly.

..weak effort at defending..

I pointed out logical reasons where you were wrong and why your attacks on me were invalid or purely "gut-based". You're attack hasn't been particularly strong and I haven't needed to defend myself much at all.

I am more concerned as to why Phily and don also share this view when they have never called actually called me scummy before. I can perhaps see why don would think so after our exchange, but I would like an explanation from Phily.

A game like this isnt user friendly either. I say we do a lynch on the more useless people just because theyre more likely to take advantage of this lack of posting.

Anyways, if we're going to lynch someone I'm hung between DJ and Budja.

So do both don and I classify as "useless people"?

I don't think Flameaxe or Juls are the lynch today. Flameaxe, I'm getting a Leans Town read on, and Juls I think is probably townie.

So who do you want lynched then?

[StrangerCoug]

To make myself clear, I didn't mean "hate" as in dislike there.

What other kind of hate is there?

[Rhinox]

Since no lynch is said to be a bad idea, I'll vote for anyone but Juls.

ORLY?

I think I'm coming around to the idea of lynching Casey...

[Casey]

i want casey lynched.

Ugh.

I am really getting tired of you saying that. All you do is say everything I say is bull-doody whenever I get an idea. It's not making this fun and I would like you to stop the harassment.

You and Flameaxe are my top suspects.

There are a few other people I suspect, but they must remain private for now.

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In other news, I still don't understand what Juls sees in Budja. He's been friendly. And Juls says he's "buddying" with her, which, as far as I can tell, is something I'm doing too, because I have complete confidence that Juls is town.

But a lynch is better than no lynch. As such, put me down for trusting Juls's instincts.

Vote Budja

[Casey]

Since no lynch is said to be a bad idea, I'll vote for anyone but Juls.

ORLY?

I think I'm coming around to the idea of lynching Casey...

Yeah, it was posted a while back, I'm pretty sure it was Ectomancer and Hohum who were yelling back and forth about it, let me find it.

[Casey]

I found the post:

I'm sorry but the math just DOESN'T add up for a no-lynch on D1. A mis lynch would be better.

Think about it, very VERY carefully. A no lynch isn't going to net us any MORE information than a lynch will, and we'll be in better shape. If we do actually hit scum (and we won't find out until end game anyways) the odds of us lynching correctly tomorrow become worse but it won't matter because we've extended out the game.

There were 3 scum alive last game so I think it's reasonable to assume that they haven't added a 4th as it would likely shorten the game in a no-reveal scenario (think, scum guiding the process, which is also why I hate what ecto is doing to the town)

Incidentally I wouldn't be opposed to a don_johnson lynch now over a roffman lynch for even proposing such a stupid idea.

FoS: don_johnson

Do I really need to remind everyone that there exists NO situation regardless of the mechanics of the game where no-lynch is a good idea on D1.

The (rough) Math:

If we no lynch:

* Assuming 10 town, 2 scum:

1:5 chance of hitting scum on D1
Lose a townie, the odds of hitting scum on D2 all things being equal 1:4.5

* Assuming 9 town, 3 scum:

1:3 chance of hitting scum on D1
Lose a townie, the odds of hitting scum on D2 become 1:2.5

* Assuming 8 town, 4 scum:

1:2 chance of hitting scum on D1
Lose a townie, the odds of hitting scum on D2 become 1:1.5

If we do lynch today, and we mislynch:

* Assuming 10 town, 2 scum:

1:5 chance of hitting scum on D1
Lose 2 townie, the odds of hitting scum on D2 become 1:4 (better than no-lynch)

* Assuming 9 town, 3 scum:

1:3 chance of hitting scum on D1
Lose 2 townie, the odds of hitting scum on D2 become 1:1.5 (better than no-lynch)

* Assuming 8 town, 4 scum:

1:2 chance of hitting scum on D1
Lose 2 townie, the odds of hitting scum on D2 become damn near 1:1 (although we'll be in lylo too)

[Juls]

Casey, the difference between you and Budja is that you were strongly against me and not trusting me at all before my claim and after my claim until I was confirmed.

Casey is really not a good choice today guys. She has claimed to me and I believe her claim. It is one that makes sense.