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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:53 pm

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Any breadcrumbs, charter?


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camn (0/7):
charter (5/7): OhGodMyLife, Patrick, Incognito, Korts, Yosarian2
DizzyIzzyB13 (1/7): charter
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With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:59 pm

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No.
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:00 pm

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Aren't you usually a breadcrumbing kind of guy?
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:03 pm

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Uhhh, sometimes? I don't remember the last time I breadcrumbed a role though, normally just names. It's a really easy role to confirm though...
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:10 pm

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unvote
for now.
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:25 pm

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Hm.

How is it easy to confirm?
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:48 pm

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unvote


Huh.
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:52 pm

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Because I target someone, pray they aren't NK'ed, and they can say that they are indeed a mason with me? Neither of us will be mod confirmed, so I'm not really sure if they should be hesitant to out themselves because it isn't going to mean anything and I can target people not aligned with me (though I won't know if I do or not).
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:58 pm

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OK.

I like it. You earn a day of life.

UNVOTE
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:04 pm

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Yeah, it's a completly confirmable role, and it's one i've never seen a scum have before.
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:27 pm

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vote: Korts
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:21 pm

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I only skimmed the past day or whatever it's been since I posted last.


charter, am I to understand that you're just a neighbor who gets to pick who they want to be able to talk to, but there is no alignment shift of your target?
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:32 pm

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Frankly, this claim reminds me of a fakeclaim for Mafia Recruiter.
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:37 pm

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unvote


I had actually typed up why I still supported a Kortslynch over a Charterlynch; then I saw the claim.
Post 568, Charter wrote:I feel like I have genuinely not been scummy. I've been doing really good lately. This is my first time dying before endgame in a long time. :sad:
Post 569, Charter wrote:Oh, and no one asked, but I'm sure you all are curious as to what awesome role I am. I am a
mason
. Alignment of partner not mod confirmed. Duhn Duhn duhhhh....
Now
I'm feeling uneasy.
As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:02 am

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Ether wrote:
unvote


I had actually typed up why I still supported a Kortslynch over a Charterlynch; then I saw the claim.
Post 568, Charter wrote:I feel like I have genuinely not been scummy. I've been doing really good lately. This is my first time dying before endgame in a long time. :sad:
Post 569, Charter wrote:Oh, and no one asked, but I'm sure you all are curious as to what awesome role I am. I am a
mason
. Alignment of partner not mod confirmed. Duhn Duhn duhhhh....
Now
I'm feeling uneasy.
Yeah, that's an interesting contrast. Why would he assume he would get lynched if he had another card to play?
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:09 am

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Ether's
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cool when she's town.
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:21 am

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Three days deadline stinks. I hope charter answers in the next day or so.



Is an extension possible? I only want a few days more to ensure full voluntary disclosure, nothing excessive. This day has been long enough.
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:25 am

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A miller AND a recruiting mason among the 12 of us?
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:54 am

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camn:

camn wrote:
Incognito wrote:
camn:
Why would scum be more likely to soft-claim than town?
Because it is in scum's interest to be perceived as a PR, and thus a poor lynch, but not be a CLAIMED PR, and thus have to deal with why-aren't-you-dead WIFOM.

On the other hand, it is in a townies interest to HIDE their PR status, because then they live longer.

Not that I am saying C was softclaiming. Just that softclaiming and rolefishing often go together.
I wasn't rolefishing GC, and I don't believe GC was softclaiming. I don't believe that GC has role-based on Yos, and I think his case is almost entirely meta-based.
This post gives me strong town vibes. It is generally not in the scum's best interests to highlight tactics that they might want to use later (or, at least, I'd expect an aversion to doing so). The assertive statements at the end are also very town-like.

I do not blame her for jumping on my wagon, because I did look scummy and her vote was not indicative that she wanted to lynch me. The word "compelling" strikes me as honest.
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Ether wrote:Hmm. Camn, what was the deal with your vote and unvote, anyway?
Which one? :)

I wanted you to get more in the game.
Plus I have been kind of gambit-happy lately, and I wanted to see what Yosarian would do.
Keep it up on the first, meh on the second.
Jokey mood strikes me as town.


Dizzy:

DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
Xdaamno wrote:(obvious town read on korts)
Well, that's about all the evidence we need for a Korts lynch. :p
Scum vibes here. This is her only post relating to my wagon that was forming. Strikes me as backseat and cocky.
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Korts wrote:Ether: the reason for my Izzyvote is quite simple: she stated an intention to specifically lynch me based simply on the fact that with a week left of Day 1 I decided not to toil away with an increasing amount of reading material and try to interact. I can't believe that she doesn't have any better suspects. It seems more like an alibi-vote than anything.

And thanks for the advice, I will try to make time for some reading.
Please. You deliberately avoided the game and lurked. That's scummy behaviour. You've refused to catch up and contribute. Also scummy behaviour. You've attempted to find other people's opinions to latch on to to avoid the accountability of having your own. That's scummy. When you get enough votes that you h
ave a bandwagon, suddenly you're all over this game like crabs on Paris Hilton.
That's scummy.

Nothing of your behaviour in this game has been townish. You're a good candidate for a lynch, and the best one at the moment. I'm happy with my Korts vote.

What do the rest of you think? Is my Kortscase flawed in any way? I'm willing to yield to a convincing argument, but I'm unable to find one myself.
The joke here seems out-of-place and un-townlike. This is because a town player who is actually making a serious attack would be expected to have a serious attitude.

Ether:

Ether wrote:Sometimes, I don't like myself very much. I woke up much less enthusiastic about my Yosvote than I was when I placed it, finding myself under suspicion that I...didn't really disagree with, and put off addressing it. (On Thursday, I
was
doing a programming cram, but that's Thursday.) This is a recovery mode post; I won't really feel comfortable until I'm interacting again.
Weak town vibes from the self-deprecation.

Yosarian:


I think I always have trouble reading Yosarian, and it's even harder given that I'm the subject of many of his posts.
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Xdaamno wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:
camn wrote: In my experience. . scum don't drop atom bombs on people day 1.
Oh, speaking of which, I'm a miller.
It sounds like TownYos was either waiting for an opportunity, or forgot to say this earlier. Which is it, Yos, if the question is fair?
I was planning to claim miller at some point during day 1, like I said. I didn't really want to do it right at the start of day 1, because I had wanted to let some other conversations start up first, but I didn't want to wait too long either, wanted to make sure the town had enough time to dicuss my claim and act in a rational way about it. (shrug) Seems like the timing worked out pretty well; town had time to talk and think about my claim, got lots of interesting reactions, and it didn't stifle other lines of discussion.

So, Xdaamno, here's the key question for you to answer. If you had to pick someone to lynch, right now, who would it be? The way you haven't really attacked or voted anyone all day is really the main reason I'm suspecting you at this point.
This last paragraph in and of itself just struck me as town. I suppose you were trying to get me to notice it and not forget it? Going down that thought process is something scum do not need to do, and so I think you are town.

Incognito:

Incognito wrote:Aren't you usually a breadcrumbing kind of guy?
Incognito wrote:Ether's
sooooo
cool when she's town.
Your relaxed attitude lately makes me think that if you are scum, there's probably no town players under suspiscion right now.



Kind of incomplete, so I'll try and do a little more when I can before the day ends.
I support the deadline extension, mod.
For now, my vote will sit here:

Unvote, Vote: Dizzy
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:54 am

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Green Crayons wrote:I only skimmed the past day or whatever it's been since I posted last.


charter, am I to understand that you're just a neighbor who gets to pick who they want to be able to talk to, but there is no alignment shift of your target?
Yeah. Except I'm town, I don't know the alignment of who I pick.
Korts wrote:Frankly, this claim reminds me of a fakeclaim for Mafia Recruiter.
FOS. If I was a recruiter than there would only be one person I could target and it would do anything.

camn, a recruiting mason is pretty much worthless since they both don't know the other's alignment.

Ether, why would I think my claim would prevent my lynch? Only one person who unvoted me gave a reason other than, "looks like we've run up charter, seen he has a non-threatening role, time to move on to the next target", which was Yos.
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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:05 am

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charter wrote:FOS. If I was a recruiter than there would only be one person I could target and it would do anything.
I don't see how this sentence makes sense. As a mason recruiter, you target one person and make them neighbours with you. As a mafia recruiter, you target one person and make them mafia with you. Either way your role ability would be confirmed by the player you recruit--and it wouldn't make you confirmed pro-town like you have implied.
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:46 am

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I would have thought Xdaamno would be aware that snarkiness is a general Izzy-meta and is thus a null-tell.
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:54 am

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Charter--you would expect your role to prevent your lynch because, non-threatening or not, it's confirmable. Because of that attitude right before your claim, I'm nervous that Korts is right and you're trying to come up with something convenient at the last minute. (Replace "mafia recruiter" with "cult leader," though; I didn't realize mafia recruiter was even a role. Doing research, I know Vollkan's willingly joined at least twogames that openly included cults, though to be fair that's not the same as him expressing support of hidden ones. Meh.)

Come to think of it, 570 feels like an extension to that, like there was an "oh shit what if I have to claim my partner" moment in between. "Unconfirmed mason" vs. "unconfirmed masonizer" is a stark difference.
vote: charter
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I don't actually see what Camn is getting at in her 592--the claims don't clash.

Vollkan's rule 13 specifies that the deadline's not getting extended.
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Buddying up. I'm onto you, Incognito.
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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:17 am

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I have no idea why cult leader hasn't occured to me. For what it's worth SSW II had a recruiting mafia in a starting group of 2, with 13 players.
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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:42 am

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Whatever, I don't care, if you're truly that dumb and think I'm making this up, then lynch me. If you've ever played with me, I never pick something this absurd to claim as scum, I always try and out a doc or cop. OH MY GOD, APPEAL TO EMOTION AND WIFOM TOO!!! Let's speedlynch him! (I'm betting that's OGML's next post).

Ether has just jumped up astronomically in scumminess because she hasn't mentioned me all game, then all of a sudden, my claim means I'm scum :roll:.

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