Pie E7- (Open 129): Game Over before 762

alexhans · Post Post #375 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:17 pm

I'm amazed at this sudden attack at hewitt without any reason...
That's why Zwets and Wall-e are definetly in my scum list. I can't decide if they're bad players or just hiding in that scummy ways to go unharmed. The bad thing is that if we don't lynch any of you you will still be here tomorrow to mess with our play.

Anyway, I think hew has much more a case than any of you. His low activity in the beginning. He's different playstyle not matching his meta. When I questioned him he attacked me on ISO 15. His weak case on dej.

Emp wrote:The lurker hunt coming from Dej seems like scum trying to get a lurker lynch.

Then he voted for Wall-e as a lurker. His lawyer attitude trying to trap dej. The weird color thing he asked me. The buddyish accusation... He never actually scum hunted but tried to look that way.

So...

Vote Empking

Also... I would like to hear from hasd wich hasn't posted in a while I think...

alexhans · Post Post #376 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:19 pm

oh.... my bad... He has... but he has posted so little content that he seems almost like wall-e or Zwets... I had him a bit higher regarding the content of his posts...

anyway...
@dej, hasd: What do you think about this? Is my case good? weak? why?

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #377 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:49 pm

alex, are you telling me that hewitt's post wasn't an appeal to emotion?

Wall-E · Post Post #378 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:00 pm

alexhans wrote:I'm amazed at this sudden attack at hewitt without any reason...
That's why Zwets and Wall-e are definetly in my scum list. I can't decide if they're bad players or just hiding in that scummy ways to go unharmed. The bad thing is that if we don't lynch any of you you will still be here tomorrow to mess with our play.

Anyway, I think hew has much more a case than any of you. His low activity in the beginning. He's different playstyle not matching his meta. When I questioned him he attacked me on ISO 15. His weak case on dej.
Emp wrote:The lurker hunt coming from Dej seems like scum trying to get a lurker lynch.
Then he voted for Wall-e as a lurker. His lawyer attitude trying to trap dej. The weird color thing he asked me. The buddyish accusation... He never actually scum hunted but tried to look that way.

So...
Vote Empking

Also... I would like to hear from hasd wich hasn't posted in a while I think...

And now I want you to outline a case against me. Please.

Wall-E · Post Post #379 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:07 pm

Unvote: Vote: Dejka

for post 74, which I've long felt was Dej reaching for someone to attack with no real reason or need (or even grounds). I'm keeping my vote on Dej for today, I think.

Empking · Post Post #380 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:24 pm

alexhans wrote:I'm amazed at this sudden attack at hewitt without any reason...
That's why Zwets and Wall-e are definetly in my scum list. I can't decide if they're bad players or just hiding in that scummy ways to go unharmed. The bad thing is that if we don't lynch any of you you will still be here tomorrow to mess with our play.

Anyway, I think hew has much more a case than any of you. His low activity in the beginning. He's different playstyle not matching his meta. When I questioned him he attacked me on ISO 15. His weak case on dej.
Emp wrote:The lurker hunt coming from Dej seems like scum trying to get a lurker lynch.
Then he voted for Wall-e as a lurker. His lawyer attitude trying to trap dej. The weird color thing he asked me. The buddyish accusation... He never actually scum hunted but tried to look that way.

So...
Vote Empking

Also... I would like to hear from hasd wich hasn't posted in a while I think...

Don't be silly. I do not agree with his accusations due to the fact that theyu're directed at me so he must not be scumhunting.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:37 am

!!!! What kind of craplogic is that? Someone making a case on you definitely means that he/she is scumhunting.

Major FoS: Empking

hewitt · Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:16 am

Uh zwets it's obvious that wasn't Empking's point. Empking did that because he's claiming to be a townie and since alexhans voted for him he's saying alexhans is not scumhunting.

Empking · Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:38 am

I said that wrong. It should be:

Don't be silly. "I do not agree with his accusations due to the fact that theyu're directed at me so he must not be scumhunting."

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #384 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:06 am

hewitt wrote:Uh zwets it's obvious that wasn't Empking's point. Empking did that because he's claiming to be a townie and since alexhans voted for him he's saying alexhans is not scumhunting.

Does that change anything?

hewitt · Post Post #385 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:15 am

No, I just wasn't sure if you understood that.

alexhans · Post Post #386 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:44 am

Zwets wrote:alex, are you telling me that hewitt's post wasn't an appeal to emotion?

Hewitt wrote:Well then I apologize for being clueless zwets but that's the way it is right now.

How is this appeal to emotion? I don't follow...

MAFIA WIKI wrote: An appeal to emotion is a particularly devious sort of fallacious argument, particularly in a game of unknowns such as Mafia. "If you lynch me, you'll lose!" is an easy example, but there are many others, played by both/all Factions in most games at some point. The nature of the game lends itself to appeals to fear or hope or trust.

He wasn't receiving any pressure at the time. Just some isolated questions from you.

Wall-e wrote:It is an appeal to emotion, actually. Not saying you're unsure, but apologizing for it.

Unvote: Vote: hewitt

I disagree.

Wall-e wrote: And now I want you to outline a case against me. Please.

Outline a case on Hew first, I'm not voting you but you ARE voting him.

Wall-E wrote:
Unvote: Vote: Dejka
for post 74, which I've long felt was Dej reaching for someone to attack with no real reason or need (or even grounds). I'm keeping my vote on Dej for today, I think.

This is the interaction between Emp and dej.

Empking wrote:
hewitt wrote:Okay whatever just lay off the insults this game. Empking is your vote of dejkha 100% serious like you think he's really scum?
Yes.

Empking wrote:
dejkha wrote:Do you think so without a doubt in your mind? Like, are you positive?
No.

dejkha POST 74 wrote:Alright, just making sure.

I think it goes along the lines of what I've said... Stupid lawyer acting but it's not enough reason to vote...

Empking wrote: Don't be silly. I do not agree with his accusations due to the fact that theyu're directed at me so he must not be scumhunting.

I don't understand what you're saying. Please rephrase.

hewitt wrote:Uh zwets it's obvious that wasn't Empking's point. Empking did that because he's claiming to be a townie and since alexhans voted for him he's saying alexhans is not scumhunting.

That's what he means? That if I'm accusing someone and he is a townie then I'm not scumhunting??? And how am I supposed to know he is a townie(if he is indeed)?

Empking wrote:I said that wrong. It should be:
Don't be silly. "I do not agree with his accusations due to the fact that theyu're directed at me so he must not be scumhunting."

Still the same question as before... you say you're a townie so I'm not scumhunting? or what? Is that real logic?

alexhans · Post Post #387 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:57 am

To: Wall-e
From: Alexhans
first you lurked and gave nothing but this without explaining:

Wall-E wrote:The "case" against dejka is utter garbage.

then came 280 that wasn't really enough as I stated in my responses in 302.

Wall-e wrote: The ad hominem was intended as humor, but if you don't/didn't see it that way I apologize for any offense.

Wall-e wrote: Look here: I have no sense of sarcasm, jokes or someone being facetious. If you don't clearly label your comments as such I will assume the worst. It's a survival tactic I use considering my condition.

Wow he uses humour but condemns it. (This is not part of your case really, just something that you should note before pushing others.)

Wall-e wrote:only if you let me live

This was viewed as Appeal to emotion too. But I don't really care much about it. I just want to note that you use AtE to vote Hew.
What do you think about

Wall-e wrote: Gah, 279 still bothers me SO MUCH that I can't get past it. It looks like I'm going to have to stay on zwets.

Unvote: Vote: zwetschenwasser just in case.

Still bothers you?

zwetschenwasser 279 Full post wrote:
Unvote; Vote: Wall-e

then this:

Wall-E wrote:
Fos: alexhans
telling the scum who to NK.

wich I explained in the next post but you recognized you were wrong so we can leave it be for now.
then the way in wich you pushed hew... and then dej... You can do 2 things... admit that you are lost like everyone else or stop telling us to give you a super solid case. You've been saying that the game lacked content so...

Best Wishes

hewitt · Post Post #388 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:04 am

Oh yeah wtf I totally forgot that Wall-E you used appeal to emotion and now you're accusing me of doing it and voting for me because of it.

alexhans · Post Post #389 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:06 am

actually he unvoted you and now is voting dej...

hewitt · Post Post #390 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:13 am

*voted

Wall-E · Post Post #391 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:18 am

From my perspective, it was appeal to logos, not pathos.

I don't have to admit that I'm just as lost as everyone else. It's obvious from the fact that I'm town (empking logic lol)

Seriously, Empking, why do you even play this game?

On the issue of humor posts: As far as I'm aware, nobody else on this site suffers from Asperger's (that I've yet met), and so labeling my own humor has never been much of a problem (I only just recently started feeling comfortable with making jokes on mafiascum to begin with, and it should be obvious how bad i am at it), but all that said,

I conceed that I've done illogical-and-therefore-scummy things in this game.

I haven't actually gotten into the meat of it yet. Most of day 1 is my RVS, to use an innacurate analogy.

dejkha · Post Post #392 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:30 pm

I haven't had an internet connection since Friday, so that's why I haven't posted (after that point anyway), and I just got it back. I'll try to make a post ASAP.

alexhans · Post Post #393 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:52 pm

Wow, I'm analizing records and mini normals (to mod one someday) and I find this...
Fast game
Wall-e that makes me think that lynching you in 761 was not such a bad idea

no, really. How did that happen? How did you manage to get lynched that fast as scum? And your partner committed the biggest mistake in defending you...

Wall-E · Post Post #394 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:56 pm

lol yeah i suck as scum

Wall-E · Post Post #395 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:03 pm

After reading that game again, I didn't deserve to die! That was unfair!! stupid blakebowling grumble

Empking · Post Post #396 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:37 pm

Alexhans: That was your logic so I'm glad you don't think it makes sense.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #397 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:46 am

Wall-E wrote:From my perspective, it was appeal to logos, not pathos.

You saying so doesn't immediately make it so, Wall-e.

I don't have to admit that I'm just as lost as everyone else. It's obvious from the fact that I'm town (empking logic lol)

This is strange. Instead of actually posting something useful you try to shrug off your scumminess with a joke about Empking. Why?

Seriously, Empking, why do you even play this game?

How is this helpful? Ad hominem has no place here.

I conceed that I've done illogical-and-therefore-scummy things in this game.
I haven't actually gotten into the meat of it yet. Most of day 1 is my RVS, to use an innacurate analogy.

Then why don't you give us an accurate analogy?

hasdgfas · Post Post #398 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:24 am

Wall-E wrote:I don't have to admit that I'm just as lost as everyone else. It's obvious from the fact that I'm town (empking logic lol)

This makes me even happier about my vote on you.

zwetschenwasser · Post Post #399 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:52 am

PARROT ALERT!!