Open 131 - Nightless Vanilla (Over) before 767

[millar13]

That is a good enough point for me Farside, although I do think that you and skitzer would come off well as scum-partners. just my view.

[Wall-E]

White Castle in Post 75: You make 2 wiki uses in 8 posts sound like nothing.

I may use it once, but usually never in a game.

Bolded part is what I don't like.

How does this slip indicate he is scum? How would scum benefit from lying about this? I think you're up the wrong tree here, logically speaking. However, if you feel the pressure may be causing a slip of grammar here, you may be onto something (?) I have a hard time reading such tells.

I need to a re-read of this thread and get some game notes going, which I will do over the weekend.

Regards,
Jazz

Expecting those notes to appear soon.

Wall-E in Post 100: Why? I definitely agree with hewitt here: saying all you've got is better for town rather than holding stuff back.

It's an ambushing thing: Suddenly popping up with a huge amount of carefully collected evidence... I've seen it win games for the town.

If, on the other hand, I said, "Oh, I've got my eye on you, Wall-E" then Wall-E is going to stop providing me with evidence against him. Feedback is a tool the scum use in this manner.

No feedback for the scum is my motto. That's also why I don't discuss who's town-looking without a good reason.

Uh, I don't like to discuss my meta unless it's relevant, so try to keep it relevant, ok? I don't have a good judgement of such things which is what gets me into trouble sometimes with moderators, so help me help you help me, if you please, kiss.

[Netlava]

How does this slip indicate he is scum? How would scum benefit from lying about this? I think you're up the wrong tree here, logically speaking. However, if you feel the pressure may be causing a slip of grammar here, you may be onto something (?) I have a hard time reading such tells.

It's not so much a slip. Saying that he doesn't use the wiki to emphasize how often white castle was using it seems like a reach to me.

[Wall-E]

i can respect that opinion

[hewitt]

In essence this game is very much...big town vs. little town rather than scum vs. townies which makes this game that much more harder

I meant to ask before but I don't understand this?

[millar13]

What I mean Hewitt...is effectively with only the mafia "i assume" talking pre-game
But most likely under

Nightless

not talking to the end of the game. In many ways it becomes a town vs. town scenario in that the lack of night kills, almost allows for the scum to stay hidden even more.

[hewitt]

Oh okay thanks for clarifying.

[Rishi]

Vote Count – Page 6

Lowell – 4 (Adam Smith, millar13, Wall-E, Empking)
millar13 – 3 (farside22, White Castle, lixyl)
White Castle – 1 (Lowell)
skitzer – 1 (Netlava)

Not voting: skitzer, Lowell, Jazzmyn

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Prodding lixyl and White Castle

. Retracted.

[White Castle]

Mod - I object to my prod.

I last posted 4/1, so it hasn't been a week yet as per the rules. I was aware it had been a while, so I was going to devote my lunch hour to this game. Quarterly reporting got me.

V/LA 4/22 to 4/27 to attend an out of town wedding.

[White Castle]

* Lurking is not allowed as a strategy in this game, as it is highly likely to slow the game down to a halt. Any player who becomes inactive will be prodded after one week, and will be replaced if there are no posts after two weeks of inactivity.

This shouldn't count as a prod as per the rule.

[Rishi]

Mod - I object to my prod.

I last posted 4/1, so it hasn't been a week yet as per the rules. I was aware it had been a while, so I was going to devote my lunch hour to this game. Quarterly reporting got me.

V/LA 4/22 to 4/27 to attend an out of town wedding.

I was using an old set of rules. I generally prod more often now. But, in any case, prod retracted.

[Empking]

Lowell looks like he's sitting back.

[millar13]

He certainly he....he is playing nervous games now

[farside22]

Lowell did that last game too. I find it a null tell at best.
While I'm thinking and WC reminded me.

V/LA from April 17 - April 20th

[hewitt]

I love how I'm not in the vote count, thanks mod. Was Lowell scum in that game you played with him farside?

[millar13]

the reason you not in the vote count is becoz: Lowell is in it twice

[Lowell]

Still here. Jury duty kept me away.

[millar13]

Ironic

[White Castle]

Oops! Forgot Page 4 existed.

White Castle in Post 75: You make 2 wiki uses in 8 posts sound like nothing. I may use it once, but usually never in a game. Please don't play the newbie card. You skipped over the OMGUS, so I'm assuming your not denying it. I wouldn't either. About Post 51: Exactly. Lowell had very little with which to defend himself. I can see your point about the other 4, surprisingly. At least you actually had something to go off of. And about V/LA: Oops, I slightly lied.

But then... White Castle in Post 77: I pose the same question to you that you posed to me. What about the other 3 that quickly hopped on the wagon?

I'm glad someone else (go Netlava!) picked up what I was thinking.

After, re-reading the thread,

Vote: Skitzer

The way he characterizes things makes me suspicious i.e.

farside in Post 24: Sadly, that almost sounds like a good idea.

In reference to the policy lynch proposal. Something about "sadly" and "policy lynch" doesn't mix.

Ugh, White Castle, your constant linkage to the Wiki makes me feel weird about you.

The word constant is a bit of an exaggeration imo. Note that Adam Smith also says something along these lines though.

Netlava in Post 68: Eww. Everyone off the ol' Lowellwagon!

Not liking this for obvious reasons.

White Castle in Post 75: You make 2 wiki uses in 8 posts sound like nothing.

I may use it once, but usually never in a game.

Bolded part is what I don't like.

But then... White Castle in Post 77: I pose the same question to you that you posed to me. What about the other 3 that quickly hopped on the wagon?

It wasn't a wagon yet when I joined.

Wall-E in Post 100: Why? I definitely agree with hewitt here: saying all you've got is better for town rather than holding stuff back.

Jazzmyn in Post 105: Sure, but that sounds more like an easy out to me. It's all WIFOM now though.

Netlava in Post 111: I'm sorry for my cadences, but they seem to be correct in their statings. First quote was joking, second quote was exaggeration, but it is a lot more than I've ever seen anyone do it before. The third quote looks OMGUSy. Fourth quote doesn't make sense, and fifth one may have been inconsistent, but you were/still are on the bandwagon at one point.

skitzer, if you are town you aren't being pro-town. How are we supposed to know when you are "joking", "exaggerating", "incoherent" (OK, that was easy to pick up), or "inconsistent".

How about "scumhunting" for a change

?

As for me quoting the wiki twice (in consecutive posts 3 minutes apart no less) being "a lot more than you've ever seen anyone do it before". I know for a fact that farside brought it up once in this game before I ever did. Was that a big deal? You haven't mentioned it. Your yardstick of "twice is unusual but once is fine" baffles me.

Further, I asked you first about your opinions of the others on the Lowell bandwagon. It is fair to ask for my opinions, but only after you answer my question (which you hadn't in 124 which is your last game post). You'll get your answer after I get mine. Either deliberately or accidentally, you're trying to set a bad precedent. If everyone when asked a question fires it back at the questioner without answering, this game is futile.

As of my writing, we're up to post 142 and you still haven't voted either. What are you waiting for?

[White Castle]

@everyone - this is the second bad precedent I've noted in this game, the other coming from millar for voting Lowell without giving a reason. Why are the rest of you content to let that happen?

[White Castle]

hewitt is the other non-voter.

I don't like the people who are hopping on and off the bandwagon. They hop on for a pretty silly reason and then hop right back off once it seems people are questioning the wagon.

If you don't find it scummy, then why are you telling us that you don't like it? You said you don't random vote. Fine. What are you waiting for? We're close to 150 posts now. I've got news for you: 10 of us have already voted. At most, 4 out of those 10 are scum meaning that at least 6 town have already voted. You are the outlier, not those of us who have voted. Skitzer hasn't voted, but was on V/LA. You have been around, and your lack of voting is astounding.

Well in my opinion wasn't even an attack Wall-E. I wanted to point out that I didn't think he needed to be so skiddish about looking bad. I don't think I phrased it as an attack at all I was merely voicing my opinion.

We're not mindreaders. If it wasn't an attack, then what point did it serve?

Touche. I guess I just disagree with you then.

And that's fine, I guess I just encourage throwing yourself out there for the town's benefit over your own personal safety. I would much rather appreciate town not holding back instead of holding it in.

So we should "thow ourselves out there", huh? Wouldn't voting be a prime way to do that? Between this post and 90, I see a lot of hypocrisy.

[White Castle]

So which, if any, of these 6 game posts is Empking deserving of a policy lynch? Is Empking displaying a different playstyle this game? I'm looking for comments from anyone who has played with Empking before, but especially farside (she brought it up first in post 24), and hewitt (commented on it in post 25).

Vote: FS

- Liars who push policy lynches are almost always scum.

Ah, so metagaming is essentially the opposite of playing to win?

The second one is.

I dislike the speed of that. I'm going to be paying attention to the last three plsayers this game.

Unvote: Vote Lowell

yay

Can you give a reason with your vote?

Unvote

Vote; Lowell

The Nigtless and Try Harder comments.

Lowell looks like he's sitting back.

[White Castle]

Touche. I guess I just disagree with you then.

And that's fine, I guess I just encourage throwing yourself out there for the town's benefit over your own personal safety. I would much rather appreciate town not holding back instead of holding it in.

I believe that it's more pro-town NOT to voice my opinion on some issues.

I agree with you Wall-E

[White Castle]

I want to know if Farside and White castle...think be jumping on the wagon is enough of a reason to want to lynch me?
Or if really, one if not both of them really has a hidden agenda "eg; being scum"

I believe I have already covered this. It wasn't that you jumped, it was that you gave no reason for jumping on.

[hewitt]

hewitt is the other non-voter.

I don't like the people who are hopping on and off the bandwagon. They hop on for a pretty silly reason and then hop right back off once it seems people are questioning the wagon.

If you don't find it scummy, then why are you telling us that you don't like it? You said you don't random vote. Fine. What are you waiting for? We're close to 150 posts now. I've got news for you: 10 of us have already voted. At most, 4 out of those 10 are scum meaning that at least 6 town have already voted. You are the outlier, not those of us who have voted. Skitzer hasn't voted, but was on V/LA. You have been around, and your lack of voting is astounding.

Well in my opinion wasn't even an attack Wall-E. I wanted to point out that I didn't think he needed to be so skiddish about looking bad. I don't think I phrased it as an attack at all I was merely voicing my opinion.

We're not mindreaders. If it wasn't an attack, then what point did it serve?

Touche. I guess I just disagree with you then.

And that's fine, I guess I just encourage throwing yourself out there for the town's benefit over your own personal safety. I would much rather appreciate town not holding back instead of holding it in.

So we should "thow ourselves out there", huh? Wouldn't voting be a prime way to do that? Between this post and 90, I see a lot of hypocrisy.

All answer them in order.

1. White Castle...we don't have a deadline yet. 150 posts? That must be a joke right? I don't think I've ever played in a game when there was a D1 lynch earlier than page 20 which we are not even close to yet. Just because most of the town has voted does not mean they are right does it? I don't vote until I find someone vote-worthy, I don't see what is so hard to fathom about that. And there's a big difference between not liking something and calling it scummy. At this point I don't think I like you very much but that doesn't make you scummy.

2. If it wasn't an attack, then what purpose did it serve? Again, are you joking? Are you expecting every post someone makes to be an attack on someone? I wasn't aware opinions were not allowed in this game White Castle. My opinion being voiced is thrown out there so everybody knows where I stand on an issue, doesn't have to be an attack to be helpful to town.

3. How is voting more of throwing yourself out there than posting your opinions? There have been many unexplained votes out there and so you are saying that those unexplained votes are more important than voiced opinions that do not contain a vote? Voting can be throwing yourself out there but only if you back it up and no it's not hypocrisy. You're totally trying to twist my non-voting around into making it a scumtell.

White Castle you are making absolutely no sense to me right now. It's almost like you are trying to persuade me to play illogically. I don't understand any of what you're getting at. Oh and I also love the attempt to try and separate me from the rest of the town by calling me the outlier and not "one of us". What is that supposed to mean?

Answer all my questions please.