Mafia 759: Street Fighter 4 Mafia-That's Game!

[PJ.]

Empking(4)

: (jakep, Tzeentch, PsychoSniper, Sironigous)

UltimaAvalon(3)

: ( Porkens, SpyreX, Shinnen_no_Me)

Psychosniper(1)

: (Blackberry)

Porkens(1)

: (UltimaAvalon)

Shinnen_no_Me(1)

: (EmpKing)

Spyrex(1)

: (rokovoj)

Not Voting(1)

: (Nuwen)

[Blackberry]

I'll just start off by saying my way of finding scum is by looking at word choice and people's logic behind their accusations and beliefs.

Vote: Empking

His sudden shift of stance on UA looks fishy to me, a really vague explanation given (remember someone saying he always does this), makes me more convinced that his alleged post restriction is just to give him an excuse to be vague throughout the game.

The word fishy strikes me as scummy. It's a word I would use if scum in the past.

What's vague about it? Why does that being vague matter?

If you find out that something is meta and not a scum tell, I think town are more likely to reveal that fact to the town and unvote than scum. Why do you disagree?

You didn't "find out" anything. You shifted a vote and your entire stance based on what you claimed to be purely hearsay, and not something that anyone can verify. It sounds totally like a weak excuse to turn in an OMGUS vote on Shinnen. Not to mention it totally ties in with what your alleged post restriction allows you to do: to cast votes with nothing more than vague past references with an excuse to not go into detail and properly justify your vote.

Saying not to mention is also something I would say as scum. I don't find the first few sentences have much logic. It seems like a defensive arguement moreso than an honest arguement.

If I were vig i'd shoot psyco sniper tonight.

If you were a town role at all, you wouldn't be trying to direct this less-than-subtle attempt at directing power role.

I thought Empking's excuse was bad, but you didn't even bother to come up with one. If you think I'm scummy, why don't you share your reasoning with the town, or better, vote me yourself? Or are you simply going for the easiest lynch by just sticking with the guy with the most votes, which is what a scum would do?

Unvote, Vote: Porkens

Consistent, pointless questions as an attack appear scummy to me. Once again, his reasons do not give me the gut instinct of reality.

What's vague about it? Why does that being vague matter?

If you find out that something is meta and not a scum tell, I think town are more likely to reveal that fact to the town and unvote than scum. Why do you disagree?

You didn't "find out" anything.

Proof please.

I love how you left out the rest my sentence. You said yourself that you switched your vote on 2nd-hand hearsay. What proof do I need?

You're

the one who needs to prove why you switched your stance.

When scum, I would point out small things to attack with (first sentence). Emphasizing the opponent's responsibility seems defensive as well.

Following posts, he just seems too overly defensive.

....because I DO think he's directing power role?

And notice that my vote came after I asked him why he wants me killed? That was my primary reason for voting him, which is why it came last, right before the vote. Although directing power roles didn't help.

He's more or less saying "I think the vigilante should kill xxx tonight". In my very first game here, one of the newbies stated something in the lines of "I think the cop should investigate xxx." and was promptly chided by others for attempting to direct cop, so I consider what Porkens did to be an attempt to directing the vig. Demanding isn't the only way you can direct roles.

Lol, underlined sentence makes me think scum. You're questioning you're own statement unconsciously.

...

Errr, just to clarify

Vote Psych = PsychoSniper

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[rokovoj]

And, I quite don't understand your question, rokovoj. Care to put it in other words?

I thought I had put it pretty simply to begin with, but here goes: Do you think Empking is strange enough to pretend to have a post restriction if he was pro-town?

Emp, where did you hear that UA likes to shorten the RVS?

Porkens, you are directing the vig, though in a somewhat indirect manner. It's true you didn't say "If you are the vig, shoot PsychoSniper," but what you said was an attempt to influence the decision of the vig (if there is one) by affirming that that was a good idea. It's like if you told your friend something along the lines of, "If I were you, I would sign up for statistics." You're not ordering him to sign up for statistics, but you're making it known that you think this is a good idea, and depending on how receptive your friend is to your ideas, he might follow your advice.

Porkens, why do you prefer to vig instead of lynch?

I think I remember someone stating that it would be best for Empking (or was it UA?) to be vig killed during the jester speculation period.

This was Nuwen in post 86.

Not to mention it totally ties in with what your alleged post restriction allows you to do: to cast votes with nothing more than vague past references with an excuse to not go into detail and properly justify your vote.

His post restriction isn't an issue at the moment. It only has an effect on Day 2 and beyond. Your fixation on Emp's post restriction worries me.

What worries me the most, though, is how Sironigous seems to be paying very little attention, doesn't bother to check past pages of the thread to confirm things he thinks he remembers, and spends a lot of time just summarizing what has happened. Filter the thread for just his posts and you'll see that there's really nothing there. Not totally sure if I want to lynch him, though. While I consider this extremely scummy behavior, it seems to be the usual for him.

Or are you simply going for the easiest lynch by just sticking with the guy with the most votes, which is what a scum would do?

Consistent, pointless questions as an attack appear scummy to me.

I agree that this question in particular reeks something awful, akin to "When did you stop beating your wife?" Since the question assumes that Porkens is scum, there's only one possible way for him to answer to it, rendering your question a waste of space.

unvote

. Will probably vote for one of PsychoSniper, Porkens, or Sironigous after a bit more thought.

[Porkens]

[quote=rokovog]
Porkens, you are directing the vig, though in a somewhat indirect manner. It's true you didn't say "If you are the vig, shoot PsychoSniper," but what you said was an attempt to influence the decision of the vig (if there is one) by affirming that that was a good idea. It's like if you told your friend something along the lines of, "If I were you, I would sign up for statistics." You're not ordering him to sign up for statistics, but you're making it known that you think this is a good idea, and depending on how receptive your friend is to your ideas, he might follow your advice.

Porkens, why do you prefer to vig instead of lynch?
[/quote]

Well, I think y'all are confusing "I want to do something" with "I think you should do something."

But here;

I think the vig, if there is one (thats for you, UA), should shoot PS tonight.

Now there's nothin' to argue about.

Vig instead of lynch because UA needs the lynch.

[rokovoj]

I realize that what you said was technically a "I want to.." and not a "I think you should.." What I'm saying is that the difference in wording is insignificant because a vig would read your post as a suggestion as to whom he should target.

[Sironigous]

Hey! I'll say what I think about what you two just said... I don't see Psycho as scum at all...

First part is Blueberry!

The word fishy strikes me as scummy. It's a word I would use if scum in the past.

Hey, word choice is a great way to lynch someone... I don't see fishy as a scummy word at all though...

Saying not to mention is also something I would say as scum. I don't find the first few sentences have much logic. It seems like a defensive arguement moreso than an honest arguement.

I really did see it as an honest argument...

Consistent, pointless questions as an attack appear scummy to me. Once again, his reasons do not give me the gut instinct of reality.

Rhetorical questions aren't scummy, are they? They aren't in my scum list of grammatical stylistics, at least...

When scum, I would point out small things to attack with (first sentence). Emphasizing the opponent's responsibility seems defensive as well.

The first part I think is Psycho is pointing out a contradiction in Empking's playstyle... The second part I'd say is frustration with Empking.

Lol, underlined sentence makes me think scum. You're questioning you're own statement unconsciously.

Mm, this post I guess is the worst one... But, it's really not too bad.
I read the first underlined part as an emphasis added with aggravation at the others who don't understand what he means.

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.... For Rok...

I agree that this question in particular reeks something awful, akin to "When did you stop beating your wife?" Since the question assumes that Porkens is scum, there's only one possible way for him to answer to it, rendering your question a waste of space.

I read it as PS just wants to emphasize that he thinks that Porkens is suspicious to him...

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Vig instead of lynch because UA needs the lynch.

Porkens, why does UA need the lynch compared to a vig? I don't see it.

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Ok that's it. I don't think PS is scum at all, nor UA...
For D1 I'd be happy with an Empking lynch.

I regard everyone else not mentioned as neutral.

If anyone has anything to say, ask away!

[rokovoj]

Rhetorical questions aren't scummy, are they?

There's a difference between a rhetorical question and a useless question. PsychoSniper asked a useless question.

I haven't seen much from you on Emp except for your second to last post, in which you come up with absolutely nothing original. You just agree with Tzeentch and PsychoSniper, and then babble about how absurd you think Emp's post restriction is.

Do you have anything more substantial to add to that, or is that it?

[PsychoSniper]

Porkens, you are directing the vig, though in a somewhat indirect manner. It's true you didn't say "If you are the vig, shoot PsychoSniper," but what you said was an attempt to influence the decision of the vig (if there is one) by affirming that that was a good idea. It's like if you told your friend something along the lines of, "If I were you, I would sign up for statistics." You're not ordering him to sign up for statistics, but you're making it known that you think this is a good idea, and depending on how receptive your friend is to your ideas, he might follow your advice.

Porkens, why do you prefer to vig instead of lynch?

Well, I think y'all are confusing "I want to do something" with "I think you should do something."

But here;

I think the vig, if there is one (thats for you, UA), should shoot PS tonight.

Now there's nothin' to argue about.

Vig instead of lynch because UA needs the lynch.

3 more posts from you, and you STILL haven't given a single reason why you wanted vig to should. Remember, this was even before I accused you of vig-directing, so you had no case on me. You never made a case on me when you said that, which is, like I said, equivilent to voting someone without explanation. Considering you listed "ignoring questions" as one of your reasons to vote UA earlier, I have no doubt that you deserve my vote.

Die, scum.

[Porkens]

As a vig, I use my gut. I'd love to, by extension, influence, or subliminal suggestion, impart that gut to a/the vig in this game.

[PsychoSniper]

I'll just start off by saying my way of finding scum is by looking at word choice and people's logic behind their accusations and beliefs.

Vote: Empking

His sudden shift of stance on UA looks fishy to me, a really vague explanation given (remember someone saying he always does this), makes me more convinced that his alleged post restriction is just to give him an excuse to be vague throughout the game.

The word fishy strikes me as scummy. It's a word I would use if scum in the past.

This has to be the most ridiculous reason to suspect someone that I've ever seen. What's so scummy about the word fishy?

What's vague about it? Why does that being vague matter?

If you find out that something is meta and not a scum tell, I think town are more likely to reveal that fact to the town and unvote than scum. Why do you disagree?

You didn't "find out" anything. You shifted a vote and your entire stance based on what you claimed to be purely hearsay, and not something that anyone can verify. It sounds totally like a weak excuse to turn in an OMGUS vote on Shinnen. Not to mention it totally ties in with what your alleged post restriction allows you to do: to cast votes with nothing more than vague past references with an excuse to not go into detail and properly justify your vote.

Saying not to mention is also something I would say as scum. I don't find the first few sentences have much logic. It seems like a defensive arguement moreso than an honest arguement.

The way you nit-pick on choice of words and your "what I would say as scum" logic is getting more outrageous by the minute. I can do that to any of your posts, pick out a random word, and say "I'd use that word if I were scum, LOLz!", but I'm not going to do that, because, you know, I prefer to work with logic, something you're not using.

If I were vig i'd shoot psyco sniper tonight.

If you were a town role at all, you wouldn't be trying to direct this less-than-subtle attempt at directing power role.

I thought Empking's excuse was bad, but you didn't even bother to come up with one. If you think I'm scummy, why don't you share your reasoning with the town, or better, vote me yourself? Or are you simply going for the easiest lynch by just sticking with the guy with the most votes, which is what a scum would do?

Unvote, Vote: Porkens

Consistent, pointless questions as an attack appear scummy to me. Once again, his reasons do not give me the gut instinct of reality.

HELLO! This guy just said, I should be killed, which means he thinks I'm scummy, and he GAVE NO REASON FOR IT! What the hell is pointless about my question? If I were to call you scum, you're saying you wouldn't question me for that?

What's vague about it? Why does that being vague matter?

If you find out that something is meta and not a scum tell, I think town are more likely to reveal that fact to the town and unvote than scum. Why do you disagree?

You didn't "find out" anything.

Proof please.

I love how you left out the rest my sentence. You said yourself that you switched your vote on 2nd-hand hearsay. What proof do I need?

You're

the one who needs to prove why you switched your stance.

When scum, I would point out small things to attack with

(first sentence). Emphasizing the opponent's responsibility seems defensive as well.

Which is

exactly

what you've been doing, nit-picking on small words like "fishy", and "not to mention" and calling them scummy. That's all I need to say.

....because I DO think he's directing power role?

And notice that my vote came after I asked him why he wants me killed? That was my primary reason for voting him, which is why it came last, right before the vote. Although directing power roles didn't help.

He's more or less saying "I think the vigilante should kill xxx tonight". In my very first game here, one of the newbies stated something in the lines of "I think the cop should investigate xxx." and was promptly chided by others for attempting to direct cop, so I consider what Porkens did to be an attempt to directing the vig. Demanding isn't the only way you can direct roles.

Lol, underlined sentence makes me think scum. You're questioning you're own statement unconsciously.

What? I don't know how you read that as a question. I was EMPHASIZING that I think he was role-directing.

[PsychoSniper]

As a vig, I use my gut. I'd love to, by extension, influence, or subliminal suggestion, impart that gut to a/the vig in this game.

So you think a vig should make a kill PURELY on gut-instinct? Boy, it doesn't get more scummy than this.

[Porkens]

So you think a vig should make a kill PURELY on gut-instinct? Boy, it doesn't get more scummy than this.

Oh, please.

I DO agree with your responses to Blackberry.

[Blackberry]

I think the word fishy is a way to call attention to make something look scummy when you don't know how to phrase it and just want to draw attention to someone.

You're using big words to appear intelligent to discount my beliefs, such as "ridiculous" and "outrageous."

I would disagree with you on the point of not using logic. I may not be using logic simular to yours, but I am using a system of logic. I go by a combination of word selection and behavior and my gut instinct. I am not good at argueing semantics of logic, partially why I rarely play Mafia online anymore, lol.

PS: I would def. use my gut when it comes to vigging or coping or something. I think my unconscious is far more superiour than my conscious abilities... lol.

[PsychoSniper]

Blackberry: Obviously, I don't agree with your style, but what makes it even worse is the fact that

immediately

after, you went and posted this, which I already highlighted above:

When scum, I would point out small things to attack with (first sentence).

Your "logic" consists of just that, picking out small, inconsequential words as basis of your attack because

you

like to use them as scum. By themselves, these words mean nothing. It's ridiculous to think that one wouldn't use big words if he were town.

About the gut-instinct bit, I can agree about copping, but vigging has far bigger consequences. Numbers is the one advantage that town has over scum, and to reduce that number unnecessarily when you have nothing more than gut-feeling to work with is irresponsible and anti-town, IMO.

I've read some of the older games here, and mostly from what I've seen, most vigs do not kill on the first night. Vigs shouldn't kill until they have much more info to work with, and to try and influence a vig's decision with nothing more than "gut-feeling" is just outright scummy.

MOD: My vote is still not in the right place. I'm voting for Porkens. You have mind name in two places, voting Empking and Not Voting, neither of which I'm doing at the moment.

[PsychoSniper]

Blackberry: Obviously, I don't agree with your style, but what makes it even worse is the fact that

immediately

after, you went and posted this, which I already highlighted above:

When scum, I would point out small things to attack with (first sentence).

Your "logic" consists of just that, picking out small, inconsequential words as basis of your attack because

you

like to use them as scum. By themselves, these words mean nothing. It's ridiculous to think that one wouldn't use big words if he were town.

About the gut-instinct bit, I can agree about copping, but vigging has far bigger consequences. Numbers is the one advantage that town has over scum, and to reduce that number unnecessarily when you have nothing more than gut-feeling to work with is irresponsible and anti-town, IMO.

I've read some of the older games here, and mostly from what I've seen, most vigs do not kill on the first night. Vigs shouldn't kill until they have much more info to work with, and to try and influence a vig's decision with nothing more than "gut-feeling" is just outright scummy.

MOD: My vote is still not in the right place. I'm voting for Porkens. You have my name in two places, voting Empking and Not Voting, neither of which I'm doing at the moment.

[SpyreX]

@T:

You are 100% correct in saying what I did, in and of itself, wasn't pro-town. It wasn't for a reason. A very delicious reason.

Trap Sprung!

Unvote: Vote PyschoSniper

Now, I got some very bad mojo from PS early on with his attack on Empking (which I will get to tomorrow in my other part of this - independent of my little gambit I have reasons to believe he is scum).

So, after he jumped all OMGUS-y over Porkens I wanted to see something: what would PS do if I mimicked this ohh-so-scummy behavior that he was getting all over Porkens for (especially when its not).

I even tipped the scales

farther

towards purposefully being scummy about it (like T saw with my last post). I said I had a case that I wasn't going to give. I said specifically (and before Porkens) that I

wanted

a vig to shoot him (not just would shoot him if I was a vig). I needled his vote on Porkens. I repeated I would shoot him, just to be sure it sunk in.

In short, I did everything I could to illicit a response based on the "scummy" things Porkens was doing. What did I get? Nothing.

Why is that so important to me? Well, if he was actually

looking

for scum he should have been all over my ass for it. Hell, most everyone should have been. But, no. Because he's not actually looking for scum - he's pushing a weak case to appear to be hunting, while not actually doing it. Its slam dunk.

So, end results:

T is hella town.
PS is scum.
UA is still scum, independently.
If I am right about T, Porkens and Empking are both very town.

I'll post my original issues with PS tomorrow, but seriously I caught him in the cookie jar and he needs to dangle for it. UA can go tomorrow when I'm right. Swish.

[UltimaAvalon]

As a vig, I use my gut. I'd love to, by extension, influence, or subliminal suggestion, impart that gut to a/the vig in this game.

So you think a vig should make a kill PURELY on gut-instinct? Boy, it doesn't get more scummy than this.

Some players are gutsy players, while others throw logic bombs with every post. Its all a matter of one's playstyle

TRAP CARD

2 things.
A) "Traps", no matter who uses them, or why, are pure and utter bullshit. Always.

B) If what you say is true, all this means is he's developed tunnel vision, a disease that both Town and Scum succumb to.

[SpyreX]

A.) A "trap" is simply a gambit that actually has an end result in mind. If that is bullshit, then what is your whole business earlier?

B.) This is some bad tunnel vision when I actively do exactly what he is condemning someone else for.

Sweet moves jumping to his defense though.

[Shinnen_no_Me]

I find BlackBerry's 226 to be quite a biased post. I mean, all his arguments against Psycho are based on what he would say if he was scum. You can't really be serious with that.

Also,

@Rokovoj: Regarding your question, sorry if I didn't understand it before. I wasn't sure of it. Now, let me answer it: I do think Emp is strange enough, however, I don't think he would get that far to fake a post restriction if he is pro-town. However, Emp never ceases to make me facepalm...

And I really can't see the case on PS. I read his posts, but I couldn't find what's so scummy about him. Well, he did kinda of OMGUS porkens for what he said, but he had his reasons. I find more suspicious Porkens' directing a power role more suspicious than PS's omgus vote.

[rokovoj]

I've read some of the older games here, and mostly from what I've seen, most vigs do not kill on the first night. Vigs shouldn't kill until they have much more info to work with, and to try and influence a vig's decision with nothing more than "gut-feeling" is just outright scummy.

Eh. Poke around MD a bit and you'll find vastly differing opinions on vigging on the first night. If I were the vig, I wouldn't mind vigging based on gut feelings the first night with nothing better to go on, but I wouldn't try to pressure somebody else to do it or to go for a specific target unless I had extremely strong feelings about it.

SpyreX, I think your uhh trap would have been more effective if PsychoSniper ignored a case on you while going after Porkens. The thing is, nobody was calling you out on your actions (I think partially because Porkens did it first and partially because yours were buried under mountains of text).

The thing that bothers me the most about PsychoSniper (and I guess Shinnen) is that they're trying to pile suspicion on Emp based on the post restriction claim.

Still don't like PsychoSniper or Sironigous, though leaning more towards Porkens. Now back to this paper.

[PsychoSniper]

It wasn't totally tunnel vision, I did read what Spyrex posted. I did not attack Spyrex because at the time I believe he thinks he has a case on me. Contrary to what Spyrex said, he did

not

do exactly what Porkens did. Unlike Spyrex, he had already made it plain, prior to that, that he suspected me for what he considered to be an OMGUS vote on Porkens. Unlike Porkens, he did not post a simple one-liner proclaming me scum. He actually did try to make a case, one that I obviously don't agree with, but unlike Porkens, he tried. Because of that, I believed he said what he said out of genuine suspicion of me, more the fool I was, as we can all see now.

He accused my vote as being purely omgus. I'd assumed that it was still his main reason for wanting me vigged. It was something that I'd already responded to earlier, and explained in detail why it wasn't and omgus response. Besides, I figured when Porkens die and turns up scum it should become plain that it wasn't omgus.

I have to commend Spyrex though, he

did

pull off a "trap", except it wasn't a scum-hunting trap. It was a double-edged trap designed to make me look bad no matter what I say. He has so far repeatedly tried to paint my actions towards Porkens as OMGUS. If I had attacked Spyrex for his action, he would no doubt have said "Look, he's voting everyone that attacks him, that's OMGUS action, I was right!" Either way, he'd have found

some

way to paint me as scummy.

Of course, by your own words, you have pointed out how useless this little gambit of yours turned out to be:

@T:

Why is that so important to me? Well, if he was actually

looking

for scum he should have been all over my ass for it.

Hell, most everyone should have been.

And what happens? Out of a whole population of town, a grand total of

one

person responded in what you allegedly call a town reaction. I guess this is a rare case of the town being a minority number of 2 between you and T, huh?

Good attempt at trying to divert attention away from your scumbuddy Porkens, though, especially after he had already admitted that he really had no case on me to begin with, which legitimately makes his claim that I should be vigged a bunch of bollocks. Sorry, I'm not going to waste time switching my vote from someone I'm 100% sure is scum. To borrow your own words, he needs the lynch now. You can wait tomorrow.

Although I look forward to seeing what other inventive points you're going to bring up "tomorrow" - which, I note, is conveniently close to the deadline, making it possible for me not to have the opportunity to defend myself since I do not sit at the computer 24/7 waiting for you to post. Like I said, extremely convenient.

MOD: No offence, but the current vote-count (and the previous one) hasn't been accurate. I would appreciate it you can the time to redo all the vote-counts. If I'm going to be lynch today, I want it to be from votes that I actually have. Thanks

[PsychoSniper]

I've read some of the older games here, and mostly from what I've seen, most vigs do not kill on the first night. Vigs shouldn't kill until they have much more info to work with, and to try and influence a vig's decision with nothing more than "gut-feeling" is just outright scummy.

Eh. Poke around MD a bit and you'll find vastly differing opinions on vigging on the first night. If I were the vig, I wouldn't mind vigging based on gut feelings the first night with nothing better to go on, but I wouldn't try to pressure somebody else to do it or to go for a specific target unless I had extremely strong feelings about it.

Fair enough, but like you said, it would be vig's own preference, and it wouldn't be right for one to try and influence another power role's decision on your own gut feelings, which was what Porkens did.

The thing that bothers me the most about PsychoSniper (and I guess Shinnen) is that they're trying to pile suspicion on Emp based on the post restriction claim.

Eh, if you read the earliest posts, there were 2 people who voted Emp just for the post restriction, and I'm not one of them. In fact, I even suggested at first that maybe he should kept alive to see if he slips up. I've already explained that my vote was not purely for the post restriction. It was more of a bonus, something I see as being similar to circumstantial evidence that happens to tie in with the rest of my suspicion. Reread my posts. I was attacking him for his controversial actions in shifting his stance about UA but attacking Shinnen with self-contradicting reasons.

[Empking]

Wow. SpyreX is making a very convincing case. Sir's oppertunity looking is also very scummy.

Since PS wasn't being TV'ed it must be because he's scum.

Unvote

Vote: PS

[PJ.]

The vote counts are accurate and Am currently working on another one, If you would like to point out the specific inaccuracies please do so.

Current Vote Count

Empking(3)

: (jakep, Tzeentch, Sironigous)

Psychosniper(3)

: (Blackberry, SpyreX, EmpKing)

UltimaAvalon(2)

: ( Porkens, Shinnen_no_Me)

Porkens(2)

: (UltimaAvalon, Psychosniper)

Not Voting(2)

: ( Nuwen, rokovoj)

[SpyreX]

Like I said I would:

PsychoSniper: A journey of scum

Hmmmm.....the way UA had been posting (suggesting unnecessary and potentially plans without explaining himself, throwing offensive insults, etc), Jester does seem like a good possibility. Or perhaps his role may require him to find/get rid of a specific role?

And yes, if he suggested the idea, it should be his responsibility to convince everyone why it's good, not for the others explain why it's not.

Regarding Empking, I had a brief game with him too, and I agree with Shinnen about his eccentricity, I wouldn't put it past him to make up that post restriction rule. It would be a good excuse for scum to vote someone without giving much explanation, too ("I vote this guy because I saw something he did long ago that makes me suspicious, but I can't talk about it because of post restriction...").

Not really enough to vote him, of course. In fact at this stage he should be kept alive. If he were lying about it there's a good chance of him slipping up and post something he "can't". Then we'll know whether the Mod punishes him for it.....

1.) Jester speculation. I think thats all I need to say about that.
2.) Sans that his entire first paragraph is parroted (Porkens et. al in reference to eliminating specific players, Nuwen's wonderful jester contribution.)
3.) Paragraph two again.. parroted from: Porkens once again!
4.) Paragraph three..again.
5.) "I could totally see him making this up, but lets not vote for him because he'll get modkilled or something"

Shortening the random voting stage just purely for a sake of shortening it is pointless. Especially when it pretty much leads to the same thing: a bandwagon on someone. All you did is to draw the bandwagon to yourself. Is that what you want?

Unless you actually are the mafia, it's an anti-town behaviour. The only thing you accomplish is to draw attention away from actual scum-hunting to you.

Looks good right? It looked even better when I said exactly that the post right before it. Sup parrot a/s/l.

I'm quite at a loss at this stage. I've stated how I consider UA's action to be anti-town, especially if he actually is town, but on the flip side, I don't see why he would want call attention to himself like that if he were scum, especially in the initial stage where no one has reason to suspect anybody else. The theory of him feigning jester doesn't make sense to me,

since even if no one had attempted that vig-directing he still makes himself a potential vig target with what he's done.

I also think that rokovoj seems to be trying to too hard to cast suspicion on Tzeentch out of nothing. Quoting others' posts to support his own argument is a common practice, and taking into context the post that he was responding to, it made perfect sense.

Other than these two, nothing really caught my attention, and I don't really feel confident enough about either to cast a vote.....

Keep in mind: At this point PS still hasn't placed a vote. Ever.

So, UA is anti-town but giant pool of WIFOM therefore no vote.
In addition, he makes reference of Nuwen's vig directing but no vote.

In addition

, he actually "directs the vig" by saying UA is now a potential vig target.

So, he's over and over said UA is anti-town...which leads us to:

Vote: Empking

His sudden shift of stance on UA looks fishy to me, a really vague explanation given (remember someone saying he always does this), makes me more convinced that his alleged post restriction is just to give him an excuse to be vague throughout the game.

This is the first vote - for his shift off UA. Again he is saying Emp is faking the restriction (although this time directly).

-172 is Porkensgate-

-174 is UA (who PS has said is "anti-town") voting for Porkens).

You didn't "find out" anything. You shifted a vote and your entire stance based on what you claimed to be purely hearsay, and not something that anyone can verify. It sounds totally like a weak excuse to turn in an OMGUS vote on Shinnen. Not to mention it totally ties in with what your alleged post restriction allows you to do: to cast votes with nothing more than vague past references with an excuse to not go into detail and properly justify your vote.

So, 172 and 174 have occurred and we're still on Empking. I'm not going to say much about this except for the fact his accusations of Empking for something outside of the realm of the game...are in fact also outside the realm of the game.

If you were a town role at all, you wouldn't be trying to direct this less-than-subtle attempt at directing power role.

I thought Empking's excuse was bad, but you didn't even bother to come up with one. If you think I'm scummy, why don't you share your reasoning with the town, or better, vote me yourself? Or are you simply going for the easiest lynch by just sticking with the guy with the most votes, which is what a scum would do?

Unvote, Vote: Porkens

Ahh, 195. The giant klaxon of scum tolling through the night.

Facts:

1.) Nuwen had already "directed the vig" yet no call out for directing.
2.) PS, himself, had already "directed the vig" yet of course no call out for directing.
3.) Clamoring for a vote if he Porkens actually thinks hes scummy (see the above with UA / Empking and now this).

Result:

Giant OMGUS vote.

See, I wanted to be sure. This is when I decided to be "that guy" and do a little dance to ping his radar and couldn't. (see my 205, 209, MY 215 I MEAN COME ON NOW).

So, yes, thats why I think PS is scum. Additionally, two more logic-tidbits come to mind:
[quote="Post 2 of PS""]
More to the point, what do town gain from names? The Mod's flavour text makes it quite clear that the bad guys (mafia) are from Shadowloo, so any scum would know not to claim their real names. I don't see the point of mass nameclaim this early.
[/quote]

I don't know if the Mod is following the official storyline, but chronologically SF4 happens after SF2, by which time Sagat should be out of Shadowloo and is a good guy. I haven't actually had the chance to play SF4 though, so I don't really know the details of SF4's story, this is just what I read from the internet.

"Scum DO NOT CLAIM SHADOWLOO NAMES. P.S. I am totally Sagat"

AND:

I thought Empking's excuse was bad, but you didn't even bother to come up with one. If you think I'm scummy, why don't you share your reasoning with the town, or better, vote me yourself? Or are you simply going for the easiest lynch by just sticking with the guy with the most votes, which is what a scum would do?

Unvote, Vote: Porkens

Good attempt at trying to divert attention away from your scumbuddy Porkens, though, especially after he had already admitted that he really had no case on me to begin with, which legitimately makes his claim that I should be vigged a bunch of bollocks. Sorry, I'm not going to waste time switching my vote from someone I'm 100% sure is scum. To borrow your own words, he needs the lynch now. You can wait tomorrow.

So now he's made ties for the entire scumteam: Porkens, Empking, SpyreX. Oddly enough... who's no longer there? Low enough to put suspicion on, but yet never actually the bride? UA of course!

Because, get this, UA and PS are in cahoots. Jumping off any suspicion on UA to try and nail Empking for a "poor vote" is a good move, but not good enough - especially when followed by leaping on Porkens for something others had done before AND others after worse. The only difference, really, is that you were the target.

So, tl;dr:

PS is a parroting, subjective-hunting, scumbo. Lynch him now, shoot/lynch UA tomrrow be well on the road to victory kthx.