War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

roflcopter · Post Post #3650 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:10 am

look how desperately they're trying to get people to hurt me. they know how screwed they'll be if the endgame is the two seraphs and q21.

roflcopter · Post Post #3651 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:11 am

firestarter wrote:You calling for my head because I got it wrong is the biggest "pot and kettle" situation Ive ever seen.

i'm not calling for your head because you got it wrong, i'm calling for your head because you bullied q into using his zeal points prematurely. those stored up zeal points were the scum's DOOM in endgame and you knew it. i was against him burning off his zeal, like i said over and over again.

roflcopter · Post Post #3652 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:13 am

q21 wrote:I would suggest killing people in this order, anyone who agrees should suggest an order of their own:
The Fonz
Firestarter
Yosarian2
Populartajo
DGB

this order is the win. i endorse this product and/or service.

populartajo · Post Post #3653 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:19 am

can anyone explain me how this plan wins the game for town?
are you all forgeting how many rage scum used the last time?
the fonz is town and i disgree with anyonme hurting him
the only players i wnat hurt right now aren rolf and yos. IM PRETTY SURE ABOUT IT.
q21 dont let rolf suck your balls, he is doing it only to save his ass and gather enough rage to kill both you and nuwen

populartajo · Post Post #3654 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:20 am

roflcopter wrote:
q21 wrote:I would suggest killing people in this order, anyone who agrees should suggest an order of their own:
The Fonz
Firestarter
Yosarian2
Populartajo
DGB
this order is the win. i endorse this product and/or service.

you think fonz is scum wtf?

q21 · Post Post #3655 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:21 am

I doubt one scum can get that much rage, pop. I am open to killing Yosarian first, though.

q21 · Post Post #3656 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:22 am

If the scum have/can get enough Rage to win even if we use my plan then there is no hope of winning anyway.

populartajo · Post Post #3657 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:22 am

q21 wrote:I doubt one scum can get that much rage, pop. I am open to killing Yosarian first, though.

explain clearly why your plan works. im having doubts about it since we have no idea how rage works or what is scum capable of doing
also, MASSCLAIM NAO, I have a plan too.

populartajo · Post Post #3658 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:23 am

q21 wrote:I doubt one scum can get that much rage, pop. I am open to killing Yosarian first, though.

kay, tell rolf to hurt yos then, if he agreess i agree

populartajo · Post Post #3659 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:27 am

YOS, START CLAIMING.

q21 · Post Post #3660 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:28 am

populartajo wrote:
q21 wrote:I doubt one scum can get that much rage, pop. I am open to killing Yosarian first, though.
explain clearly why your plan works. im having doubts about it since we have no idea how rage works or what is scum capable of doing
also, MASSCLAIM NAO, I have a plan too.

It gets us to a final three situation as quickly as possible. That final three is the two seraphim and myself. If seraphim both are town we win. If both are scum we lose regardless of my plan, I think.

If one is scum and one is town then they hurt each other to death. The scum seraph could theoretically hurt me at this point, but then I'd be sure who to hurt before the town seraph had even died.

If the scum seraph wins that (likely of they use Rage) then I should be able to finish of a single injured scum seraph. What's the point of being the fucking Archangel of War if I can't even do that much.

roflcopter · Post Post #3661 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:30 am

itt tajo desperately tries to manipulate q21's plan and save fonz

we should be killing fonz first, there is no question about that.

q21 · Post Post #3662 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:30 am

Revised kill order for my plan.
Yosarian2
Firestarter
The Fonz
populartajo
DGB

roflcopter · Post Post #3663 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:31 am

no, q, don't listen to tajo just because he's OMG CAPS LOCK ANGRY

Yosarian2 · Post Post #3664 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:33 am

populartajo wrote:we have to kill yos and rolf.

Wait..what the hell? Why me?

If there's a case against me, I'll be glad to answer it once I have a chance to read the damn game.

populartajo wrote: also, MASSCLAIM NAO, I have a plan too.

Is your plan "get all the town people to claim so me and my scumbuddies can know exactally when we can use our rage points to speedkill them"?

populartajo wrote:YOS, START CLAIMING.

Ah, I see that it is.

If it's a split role/motive game like Flay said it was, that would mean that any role could be scum or town, so I don't see how massclaiming helps town. On the other hand, if scum have a certain amount of rage damage they can do at will based on time, then knowing how many hitpoints everyone has would help scum a LOT, wouldn't it?

Yosarian2 · Post Post #3665 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:33 am

q21 wrote:I doubt one scum can get that much rage, pop. I am open to killing Yosarian first, though.

Why? Because I questioned your role?

q21 · Post Post #3666 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:33 am

roflcopter wrote:itt tajo desperately tries to manipulate q21's plan and save fonz

we should be killing fonz first, there is no question about that.

It doesn't really matter what the order is, so long as we kill quickly.

Killing scum sooner rather than later only makes the stats of how long it took us to find a second scum look better. Since Zeal and therefore probably Rage is given out on Sunday I doubt we can be quick enough to stop a scum from getting that Rage.

populartajo · Post Post #3667 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:34 am

roflcopter wrote:no, q, don't listen to tajo just because he's OMG CAPS LOCK ANGRY

its strange cuz some pages ago you thought fonz was town and giuseppe was scum.
q21, we have our scumpair here.

populartajo · Post Post #3668 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:36 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
populartajo wrote:we have to kill yos and rolf.
Wait..what the hell? Why me?

If there's a case against me, I'll be glad to answer it once I have a chance to read the damn game.

populartajo wrote: also, MASSCLAIM NAO, I have a plan too.
Is your plan "get all the town people to claim so me and my scumbuddies can know exactally when we can use our rage points to speedkill them"?

populartajo wrote:YOS, START CLAIMING.
Ah, I see that it is.

If it's a split role/motive game like Flay said it was, that would mean that any role could be scum or town, so I don't see how massclaiming helps town. On the other hand, if scum have a certain amount of rage damage they can do at will based on time, then knowing how many hitpoints everyone has would help scum a LOT, wouldn't it?

yos,trust my plan im the most confirmed town of this group.
it needs your claim.

Firestarter · Post Post #3669 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:36 am

Rofl, if I was going against Q's plan, I would have used my unused hurt on you the last post I made.

Im satisfied about Q now, and if we can stick together instead of going off on a one man quest, town may win this.

I have no qualms in me being in that order on the list.
If my death will reveal someone else as scum, so be it.
But if I could, I'd at least change my order...
I'd place Giuseppe/Yos in front of me.
If not, then no matter.

Pop, why on earth do you want everyone to claim?
If that happens now, Scum will know who to target exactly.
This is not a good idea.

Ok, so Im gonna use my Hurt on Fonz now as per the list of Q.

HURT:THE FONZ

populartajo · Post Post #3670 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:36 am

q21 wrote:Revised kill order for my plan.
Yosarian2
Firestarter
The Fonz
populartajo
DGB

i agree with this list.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #3671 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:37 am

q21 wrote:FUCK! What a fucking waste. My apologies, but seriously fuck.

I wish I'd thought of this before I wasted my ZP or my hurt, but I think I have an idea that could guarantee a win for town. Obviously, I think its genius, but I may be wrong.

It requires the following assumptions to be true:
- At least one of rofl and nuwen is town.
- Neither rofl or nuwen is a massive HP fallen version of myself.

Personally I like the chances of the above, therefore I put forward this idea:

STAGE 1: We leave both of seraphim and myself alive. We go about killing everyone else (still in order of scumminess, of course). That leads to a final three situation with myself and two seraphim, or possibly a town victory before that point even.

STAGE 2: If both rofl an nuwen are town we win here. If only one is town then that one hurts the other. There is no way to control what a scum seraph would do here, but if they do anything other than attack the town seraph I'll know who to join in with, otherwise I will stay out of the fighting at this point.

STAGE 3: If that damage race is won by the loyal seraph than the LOYAL ANGELS WIN. If not then I should have accrued enough ZP from the deaths of Fallen in stage 1 and from the passage of time to win the final damage race with an injured scum seraph.

Final Result: LOYAL ANGELS WIN!

Genius or Idiocy?

I would suggest killing people in this order, anyone who agrees should suggest an order of their own:
The Fonz
Firestarter
Yosarian2
Populartajo
DGB

I'm actually happy to let DGB live through the entire thing because she could easily have framed me as scum a few posts ago and probably won the game for scum. She didn't. She is obvtown for me.

Only problems I see with this plan is:

1. q21 might be scum, in which case town loses.

2. If he is town, one of the two sepherem is scum, and whichever other townie we kill last is scum, then we get to a 2 town 2 scum endgame and scum probably win that one, if they have rage points and q21 spent

q21 · Post Post #3672 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:37 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
q21 wrote:I doubt one scum can get that much rage, pop. I am open to killing Yosarian first, though.
Why? Because I questioned your role?

No, because in the end I don't think it really matters which people we kill first in my plan. Its just looks nicer if we get scum sooner. I'm willing to compromise on the order (except DGB, even be happy not to kill her at all) if that's what it takes to get everyone on board.

We can do this.

roflcopter · Post Post #3673 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:37 am

the only people i would consider switching on the list are poptajo and firestarter. fonz should be first.

populartajo · Post Post #3674 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:37 am

Firestarter wrote:Rofl, if I was going against Q's plan, I would have used my unused hurt on you the last post I made.

Im satisfied about Q now, and if we can stick together instead of going off on a one man quest, town may win this.

I have no qualms in me being in that order on the list.
If my death will reveal someone else as scum, so be it.
But if I could, I'd at least change my order...
I'd place Giuseppe/Yos in front of me.
If not, then no matter.

Pop, why on earth do you want everyone to claim?
If that happens now, Scum will know who to target exactly.
This is not a good idea.

Ok, so Im gonna use my Hurt on Fonz now as per the list of Q.

HURT:THE FONZ

FUCK ARE YOU AND IDIOT? WHY DONY TOU READ THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING?