Mini 732: Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Mafia (Game Over!)

Gorrad · Post Post #450 (ISO) » Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:33 pm

If Porochaz isn't scum, then because of my night action I'm going to be the immediate #2 suspect. If we lynch Porochaz, he's town, and I block a nightkill on me, the scum NK either Plum or Hasdgfas, I'm the #1 lynch candidate going into a day with four people, I'm lynched, scum NK you, they win. If I let it through, we go into day with three people, and because I'm dead y'all won't mislynch me.

ISO · Post Post #451 (ISO) » Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:36 pm

Vote Count:

4 to lynch.

Porochaz: 3 (Gorrad, Plum, Yosarian2)
Empking: 2 (Porochaz)
Gorrad: 1 (Empking)

Empking · Post Post #452 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:14 am

Yos: Gorrad isn't MR.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #453 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:15 am

Gorrad wrote:If Porochaz isn't scum, then because of my night action I'm going to be the immediate #2 suspect. If we lynch Porochaz, he's town, and I block a nightkill on me, the scum NK either Plum or Hasdgfas, I'm the #1 lynch candidate going into a day with four people, I'm lynched, scum NK you, they win. If I let it through, we go into day with three people, and because I'm dead y'all won't mislynch me.

Gorrad: Interesting. Ok, let me make this a little more clear. If you actually did take the jailkeeper role like you're claiming, Gorrad, and you are pro-town, and lynching porochaz dosn't end the game, you should feel free to jailkeep me.

If you don't block me, and you're town, town gets one vig shot, I die tonight (since I'm confirmed innocent), and then town gets a lynch. If you jailkeep me, scum can't kill me tonight; like you said, we go into tommorow with 4 people, we get a lynch, and then after that I get one more vig kill. Either way, we get one lynch and one vig kill, and this way, we can confirm if you actually took the jailkeeper role or if you were lying and waiting to take Porochaz's double vote instead.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #454 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:16 am

Empking wrote:Yos: Gorrad isn't MR.

MR?

Yosarian2 · Post Post #455 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:16 am

Empking wrote:Yos: Gorrad isn't MR.

MR?

Empking · Post Post #456 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:28 am

Master Ruck.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #457 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:30 am

Ah, ok, I misunderstood what you were saying.

Nonetheless, if I could have easily won by wagoning Gorrad, why would I instead start a wagon on my scum buddy? Do you still doubt I could have easily gotten Gorrad lynched yesterday if that had been my goal?

Empking · Post Post #458 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:31 am

Easily? Yes. Certainly? No.

Gorrad · Post Post #459 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:02 pm

Yosarian2 wrote:
Gorrad wrote:If Porochaz isn't scum, then because of my night action I'm going to be the immediate #2 suspect. If we lynch Porochaz, he's town, and I block a nightkill on me, the scum NK either Plum or Hasdgfas, I'm the #1 lynch candidate going into a day with four people, I'm lynched, scum NK you, they win. If I let it through, we go into day with three people, and because I'm dead y'all won't mislynch me.
Gorrad: Interesting. Ok, let me make this a little more clear. If you actually did take the jailkeeper role like you're claiming, Gorrad, and you are pro-town, and lynching porochaz dosn't end the game, you should feel free to jailkeep me.

If you don't block me, and you're town, town gets one vig shot, I die tonight (since I'm confirmed innocent), and then town gets a lynch. If you jailkeep me, scum can't kill me tonight; like you said, we go into tommorow with 4 people, we get a lynch, and then after that I get one more vig kill. Either way, we get one lynch and one vig kill, and this way, we can confirm if you actually took the jailkeeper role or if you were lying and waiting to take Porochaz's double vote instead.

Ok, I follow.

Plum · Post Post #460 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:07 pm

Prodded. Sorry, my friennds.

Ugh. Empking, you wanted me to define WIFOM. In this contet, as in most Mafia contexts, I mean that train of thought which follows a pattern similar to this: 'Player X did action A, which indicates that he's not scum, because scum would be unlikely to do that. But wait - maybe Player X did A specifically in order that we would believe the first conclusion and he would look like unlikely scum'. In the case of Yos2, however . . . it's, like I said, like a player not hammering in LYLO when he has the opportuniy (and indicates that by posting without hammering). If the player were scum (assuming 2:1 three-player LYLO) he could hammer and instantly win, and there is literally no benefit in refraining from hammering immediately. Yos2's case is ever-so-slightly more tenuous, as the win wouldn't have been

instant

- but if he were scumbuddies with Ruck and he didn't make a case on Ruck etc. the win would have been almost certainly guaranteed, to the point where it's absolutely comparable with the above 2:1 LYLO situation I described above.

Gorrad absolutely could have gotten Gorrad lynched yesterday. Heck, I wasn't thinking much about Ruck and quite likely would've voted on the Gorrad wagon had he not made the case and gotten me looking at Ruck in the first place.

Unvote

. I've scanned the plan Yos2 and Gorrad have discussed, which is about as beneficient as current plan to lynch Gorrad, if I'm right, with the added bonus of being able to confirm that Gorrad's not lying about the role he chose. I don't see any new downsides but I do see an added bonus, which I'm perfectly willing to snag.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #461 (ISO) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:54 pm

Plum: So, why did you unvote porochaz then? I'm a little confused by that...

Plum · Post Post #462 (ISO) » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:05 am

Yosarian2 wrote:Plum: So, why did you unvote porochaz then? I'm a little confused by that...

Yeah, and that's because I was confused myself where my vote was

- similarly, I said 'current plan to lynch Gorrad' in my last post, when the current proposal was and is to lynch Porochaz. Feel stupid about that.

Vote: Porochaz

Porochaz · Post Post #463 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:16 am

Ok I can understand why your lynching me. It probably is the best strategy at the moment considering Im not going to undeniably prove I am not scum today. Remember hasdgfas and Plum though. They have been awfully quiet today, particularly has. Now I am obv not going to hammer as town. I will let someone else do that, but felt it appropriate to remind you of them two plus my current thoughts. Empking is the last scum in my books.

Empking · Post Post #464 (ISO) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:18 am

We're not going to lynch Gorrad (despite the fact that we definately should) it seems that Poro is the best other lynch.

Plum: Why do you think Poro is scummier than Gorrad?

Empking · Post Post #465 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:21 am

Vote Has. I hoped people would come to their senses.

Vote: Poro

ISO · Post Post #466 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:37 am

Vote Count:

4 to lynch.

Porochaz: 3 (Gorrad, Plum, Yosarian2)
Empking: 2 (Porochaz)
Gorrad: 1 (Empking)

Empking · Post Post #467 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:40 am

Unvote

Vote: Poro

ISO · Post Post #468 (ISO) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:01 am

Final Vote Count:

4 to lynch.

Porochaz: 4 (Empking, Gorrad, Plum, Yosarian2)
Empking: 2 (Porochaz)

Porochaz, Bad Horse Ensemble (TOWNIE Doublevoter) has been lynched. It is Night 4. Choices due Thursday, April 2, 17:00 GMT.

ISO · Post Post #469 (ISO) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:19 pm

It is Day 4. 5 alive, 3 to lynch.

Empking · Post Post #470 (ISO) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:52 am

Gorrad: Claim.

Gorrad · Post Post #471 (ISO) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:02 am

I blocked Yos, like he said to.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #472 (ISO) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:25 am

Hmm.

Well, my trap didn't work. Either Gorrad is scum, or scum were smart enough to know to not kill last night, or scum tried to kill me.

ANyway, I did try to kill Gorrad, so he was telling the truth about his role. Of course, he could very well be scum anyway; in fact, if he was scum, it would explain the lack of a kill, since he couldn't roleblock me and kill at the same time.

Empking · Post Post #473 (ISO) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:28 am

Going V/LA

Yosarian2 · Post Post #474 (ISO) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:16 pm

Hmm. Right now, we get 2 lynches left.

Gorrad is still probably the #1 suspect, but we can increase that to 2 lynches and a vig kill if we lynch someone who's not Gorrad today, do another "I target Gorrad, Gorrad roleblocks me" night, forcing scum to either kill someone else, which should let us find the scum, or else no-kill, in which case we can lynch Gorrad tommorow and I can still kill tommorow night.