Mini 747 Over.

[charter]

@charter- so you went from a reasoned vote to a vote on me "to spice things up"?

Yep, that's a good way to put it.

[PJ.]

I hate when charter does this, but this is just the way he acts.(waits for him to switch is vote on me when the wagon starts to stall at L-2.

[charter]

I hate when charter does this, but this is just the way he acts.(waits for him to switch is vote on me when the wagon starts to stall at L-2.

So you'd rather us all stand around with our thumbs up our asses like had been going on the whole second day? I don't have any stellar plan for getting things moving, so I thought maybe that would work.

[PJ.]

No, please continue. I'm just saying, I hate it when you do it becuse it's incredibly scummy but I understand you are trying to get things moving which I agree with. I personally don't agree with that strategy and thus am Not going to imitate it.

[geraintm]

i am not sure what to write, as everything i have to say at the moment is aimed at shadow and i don't want to just be accused of throwing stuff back at the person who just voted for me.

but i hope you see the folly of voting for me when i said your attempt to open up discussion made you look bad

when everyone else said it too!

[PJ.]

Why are you so subconscious of what the rest of us think? That is pretty damn scummy.

It's not OMGUS if you aren't typing it trying to make it some like you don't have an alterior motive, which you obviously do.

Unvote: Vote:Geraintm

[charter]

Prod's please mod

I honestly don't know what to do here. There's not enough posting to actually do anything productive. Anyone have any ideas? I'll try and do a reread tomorrow, see if that turns up anything.

See Post 438

[PJ.]

well..My role as day cop has a day vig clause that I can also use 5 times a day...

[charter]

Give me a min to figure out how to break that.

[charter]

Got it.

Original Roll String: 5d10

5 10-Sided Dice: (5, 10, 2, 8, 6) = 31

Vig any duplicates twice.
Also, is that a man or woman in your avatar?

[PJ.]

a homosexual male.

[Shadow Knight]

Post coming tomorrow.

Well?

[geraintm]

panzer, what would you have me do then when it was so obvious that the person i was going to be talking about had just voted for me? seriously?

[Kmd4390]

Vote Count Number 13:
geraintm - (2) -Shadow Knight, Panzerjager
Shadow Knight -(2) -nicoliosgotpolio, Charter
nicoliosgotpolio- (1) - ZazieR
Panzerjager - (1) - geraintm
SensFan- (1)- Shanba
Charter - (1) - SensFan

Not Voting:Cephir, Hoopla,

With 10 alive, 6 will lynch.

Prodding Hoopla and SensFan.
Shanba replaces Erratus Apathos.

[SensFan]

Still here, sorry.

[PJ.]

Hi Shabs.

Gerain, I expected you to man up and defend yourself instead of back down and hide behind OMGUS. You feign helpness because you don't want to actually have to make a case yourself.

[Shadow Knight]

This sounds weird because I'm basically telling you to make a case on me, but my thinking is that a- its not OMGUS if you actually present a case against me; and b- you seem awfully preoccupied with appearing townie and only scum worries about that.

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[Shanba]

Hey guys.

In future, can you try being less scummy? Seriously. I have scumreads on nearly all of you.

Firstly, on the nightkill: Zeenon was going to be replaced. Replacements can fuck scum over big time, especially if the game is going in their favour. But most scum don't view players who are going to be replaced as potential threats, preferring instead to kill vocal/active townies. The way I figure, scum probably killed Zeenon because they felt that his potential replacement was more of a threat to them than anyone currently in the game.

That's something of a worry from where I'm standing.

It also makes Cephrir's reaction coming into day very strange indeed to me. His posts around that period feel forced. If he were scum and he knew the reason for the kill, but he knew it was slightly off the wall reasoning, then he would also know that it would look bizarre to the town. So fi he was trying to look like a townie, you would get a slightly forced looking "oh wow, what an odd kill" vibe from his posts. And I get that.

Furthermore, his contributions yesterday were, shall we say, less than inspiring. One thing that particularly struck me was how introspective they felt. Some examples:

"Playstyle thing, I guess. I generally don't vote lightly. " - This was the one that first gave me that impression. Veyr much looking at himself, his own playstyle, rather than who is scum.

"I think I'm going to end up voting for Khelvaster or Zazie today. I'm pretty confident that at least one of them is scum and I don't like the other three-ish options. " - this post predicting his own actions (I don't see why he needs to make a prediction (I think) rather than a statement (I will). Mostly, a player would say "The other three-ish options are bad options" or something.

Every time he has an opinion it is

his

opinion. This is what

I

think about x. Not "this is x". This is who

I

believe is scum. Not "x is scum". I figured this might be a meta thing, so I've just now gone and looked it up. And he does speak about himself and his thoughts more than most people. So this I'm not certain is a scumtell after all - I still think it's a convenient way of not really having to get involved in the game.

But (and this part is not new) he does not seem to be trying to form any opinions in this game. We get the conclusions, but none of the opinion making process, with the exception of two posts of meaty analysis. He has barely interrogated anyone, never got his claws stuck in - there are plenty of rhetorical questions, but at my count only 2 real questions in his play so far.

And indeed, he didn't deny the accusation that he was flying under the radar.

Being "under the radar" isn't scummy. I'm admitting that I suck at finding scum before one scum is dead (not much better afterwards, but at least I feel like I have something to go on and talk about).

(As a sidenote, I massively disagree with his assertion that flying under the radar is not scummy.)

Actually, Cephrir: Why is flying under the radar scummy?

Vote: cephrir

[Shadow Knight]

You know, I'm tempted to vote him myself simply due to his apparent inability to get in here and post something, although he has posted 15 times since his last post here in other threads (9 posts in another game in Little Italy alone). He's also had time for a re-read in a New York game.

FOS cephrir

May turn into a vote if he doesn't get in here and defend himself in the next 24 hours.

[Cephrir]

Every time he has an opinion it is his opinion. This is what I think about x. Not "this is x". This is who I believe is scum. Not "x is scum". I figured this might be a meta thing, so I've just now gone and looked it up. And he does speak about himself and his thoughts more than most people. So this I'm not certain is a scumtell after all - I still think it's a convenient way of not really having to get involved in the game.

Even if you hadn't done a little research and seen that I usually post like that, why would this be relevant? It's just wording choice. If you'd rather pretend all the 'I thinks' and whatnot aren't there, feel free. I'm not, like, intentionally using my wording to not get involved. If I didn't want to be involved, why would I play mafia?

But (and this part is not new) he does not seem to be trying to form any opinions in this game. We get the conclusions, but none of the opinion making process, with the exception of two posts of meaty analysis. He has barely interrogated anyone, never got his claws stuck in - there are plenty of rhetorical questions, but at my count only 2 real questions in his play so far.

True, I haven't had much of an opinion. Hopefully I will be able to remedy this soon, but a lot of shortish posts with a few large analyses is pretty much my style. It's just that there are usually a lot more of both kinds.

(As a sidenote, I massively disagree with his assertion that flying under the radar is not scummy.)

Actually, Cephrir: Why is flying under the radar scummy?

I'm going to assume you meant to ask me why it's not. Not making waves is a null tell. It indicates laziness, lack of time, or playstyle more often than it indicates a specific strategy as scum.

You know, I'm tempted to vote him myself simply due to his apparent inability to get in here and post something, although he has posted 15 times since his last post here in other threads (9 posts in another game in Little Italy alone).

He's also had time for a re-read in a New York game.

The bolded isn't true, not sure where you got that. It doesn't help that this game is a chore, but really all my games are suffering. Vote me for it if you want, but it has nothing to do with my alignment.

[PJ.]

Unvote:Vote:Cephrir

Shabs pur what I thought into articulate and awesome form. Thank you shanba.

[Shadow Knight]

Actually, it was *in* one of the posts you made "after reread..."

[geraintm]

Gerain, I expected you to man up and defend yourself instead of back down and hide behind OMGUS. You feign helpness because you don't want to actually have to make a case yourself.

i didn't back donw, i pointed out the posistion he had taken and he hadn't commented on me doing this.

but right now, you and shadow jumping a wagon so easily.
please panzer, show me where you had thought anything similar to what shanba has just said, rather than going "me too, oh my god a wagon i can vote for..."

[Shadow Knight]

@gerain- are you actually *reading* my posts? If you're going to misrepresent me, I may as well park my vote on you till you hang yourself. I FOS'd ceph for not posting for DAYS after promising content. Read that again, since I know you're probably skimming this post too. I FOS'd him, not VOTED him. I was not on his bandwagon(?- 2 votes =/= bandwagon, btw) I was planning to push him for content before Shan voted him and in all honesty, I find it amusing that within hours of Shan's vote and minutes of my FOS, ceph suddenly shows up and posts something (still not sure I can call it true content, as the whole thing is a defense of Shan's post, which means that from the time of his promise post till then, he did absolutely nothing for this game). That makes me feel like he was planning to continue lurking, which puts him neck in neck with you for scum vibes.

@ceph- read those last two sentences for gerain. If I decide to vote you, its not because you were lurking, its because you promised content, had time to post in your other games, and when you came back, failed to deliver a post that was anything beyond a defense of an attack that had happend a few hours before your post. Granted, it wasn't much of an attack, but then again, it wasn't much of a defense either. I can understand lurking if you're having RL problems, or lack of time, etc (I had intermittant internet connection for a week and my games suffered, but I came back in all of them and started posting again, asap). What I'd like to see from you is some content that is not defense. A PBPA, A vote analysis, something.