War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[Nuwen]

Yes, I'm assuming that the rates of damage are roughly constant over time.

For your second point, a stalemate is obviously bad (you can't heal damage that killed someone)... but secret damage is

almost

certainly from the scum, so healing it is good.

Fixed.

You're correct - at the current rate of rage damage/generation, if the town ceases to damage and retreats to a heal-only strategy, the town's cumulative heal output will be greater than any secret damage. However, that requires all town players to stop hurting. If the town heals, does not hurt, and scum continue to acquire rage points, one of two situations will occur:

1. All players in this game will sit at static points of health for an infinite amount of time, since it's fruitless for scum to even

try

to outdamage town healing. All scumhunting would have to cease, so no ratio change is possible. We sit in a deadlock for an infinite amount of time, or until Flay goes God on our asses. This situation assumes a cap on rage use or storage, which DGB mentioned earlier.

2. Scum generate enough rage to kill everyone instantly. This assumes no cap.

Neither situation will result in a town win. I think we should proceed as normal, but

be really fucking careful whom you hurt

. The town is running out of mislynches, and any hurt placed on a town member contributes to scum's overall damage capacity.

[Xylthixlm]

No, there's no way to deadlock. Eventually the scum get enough rage points that they can just kill someone from full health, and boom! You can't heal the dead. Repeat until all townies are gone.

However, the fact that healing

all

damage is bad doesn't mean we can't heal

any

damage. Healing damage that we know was done by rage is good for the town.

[Xylthixlm]

Your problem is here:

You're correct - at the current rate of rage damage/generation, if the town ceases to damage and retreats to a heal-only strategy, the town's cumulative heal output will be greater than any secret damage. However, that requires all town players to stop hurting. If the town heals, does not hurt, and scum continue to acquire rage points, one of two situations will occur:

I am not suggesting a heal-only strategy. I'm not even suggesting a heal-mostly strategy. I am suggesting a strategy of

healing any and all damage that we are certain was done by scum

, and only that damage.

[Xylthixlm]

For your convenience, the unhealed damage dealt by scum is:

1 point of unhealed secret damage dealt to Nuwen.
1 point of unhealed secret damage dealt to DrippingGoofball.
1 point of unhealed secret damage dealt to The Fonz.
2 points of unhealed secret damage dealt to populartajo.

[Xylthixlm]

... and to be completely pedantic, I wasn't suggesting a strategy before, I was just pointing out that healing damage dealt by scum is good.

I seem to recall that populartajo's original ALL CAPS plan included healing.

[Nuwen]

Good.

I thought you were outlining a numerically superlative strategy with the intent to use it.

I agree - the targets of rage damage should be healed. In particular, I support the move to heal both DGB and Tajo. Tajo's play has been outstandingly town. I'm not assuming he's confirmed town in any deductive setting, but I'm comfortable enough with his actions to keep him alive. DGB's role gives the town an opportunity to semi-confirm or catch other players as well; I think she should continue watching for the duration of this game, in order to stifle rage damage or eventually lead to a situation that conflicts with fact. It's more likely that she and Xyl are town, but any future confirmation/catches can reveal additional alignment links.

[roflcopter]

hurt: seraphim

with a blade

[The Fonz]

I am going to use my hurt on Tenchi. My death is imminent and I will use my hurt on who I think is scum.

I am Loyal Cherubim. If this is my last post before I die, good luck, town.

Seraphim, heal rage damage. If we decide to kill Tenchi, we can masshurt, so your hurt won't get him dead any faster.

[q21]

Typical, post explosion after I go to sleep.

I want to help kill Seraphim, but I seem to be under orders to heal someone tajo thinks is town. I'll decide which I do before I leave for any significant period of time again (approximately 2 hours from now).

[q21]

Why is the thread (comparatively) dead when I'm actually here?

[Seraphim]

Heal: The Fonz

Too soon. Flay

If I'm scum, why am I working against myself?

[q21]

wifom much?

[q21]

Hurt: Seraphim

hurting prob scum >> healing possible town

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm not so fond of a Seraphim lynch as long as Tenchi is still breathing.

[Mr. Flay]

Flashing blades, hoarse words, and the hysterical laughter of fear punctuate the gathering storm. One angel in particular staggers, then goes to a knee and gasps for breath as hate and rage combine to lend strength to unseen blows.

THIRD DAMAGE TALLY OF THE TWENTIETH ÆON

q21 is at 1 HP above his normal maximum.

DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe, Nuwen, roflcopter, and The Fonz are all at normal HP.

Albert B. Rampage, and populartajo have 1 damage each.
Firestarter has 3 damage.
Xylthixlm has 6 damage.
Seraphim has 7 damage.
Tenchi has 9 damage.

[Mr. Flay]

A dreadful silence falls over the battlefield as Tenchi tries to recover from the onslaught. A rising wind whistles in from far away, and Tenchi's eyes glaze over as terrible knowledge clouds his mind. He looks up just as the wind becomes a maelstrom, shrieking and howling through the crowd to strike him full force. His body instantly splinters into crystalline shards, melting like dew as a burst of heat radiates over everyone. A fading voice rides the winds as his last gleaming atom fades to nothingness:

"

יהוה

..."

METATRON...MY SCRIBE AND HAND. HEAVEN'S KNOWLEDGE WILL BE POORER FOR YOUR ABSENCE. REQUIESCAT IN PACE.

Tenchi, the Metatron, has been cast out of Heaven.

FIRST DAMAGE TALLY OF THE TWENTY-FIRST ÆON

q21 is at 1 HP above his normal maximum.

DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe, Nuwen, roflcopter, and The Fonz are all at normal HP.

Albert B. Rampage, and populartajo have 1 damage each.
Firestarter has 3 damage.
Xylthixlm has 6 damage.
Seraphim has 7 damage.

[populartajo]

A Metatron, WTF?

[populartajo]

Xyl, how many rage did scum use this time?
And why did they kill Tenchi now?

[populartajo]

From wiki.

Metatron (Hebrew מטטרון or מיטטרון) is the name of an angel in Judaism and some branches of Christianity and Islam. There are no references to him in the Jewish Tanakh (Old Testament), Christian Scriptures (New Testament), or the Quran. Although he is mentioned in a few brief passages in the Talmud, Metatron appears primarily in medieval Jewish mystical texts and other post-scriptural esoteric and occult sources. In Rabbinic tradition he is the highest of the angels and serves

as the celestial scribe

, though there is no consensus as to his genesis, nor is there a Christian consensus on his position in the hierarchy of angels.[1]

What does a scribe do?

[populartajo]

Flay posted this in the other game.

I may give the Ophanim a 1-week observation next time, instead of 48 hours - they hardly ever actually caught anything, and because of how their role worked it was impossible to 'clear' anyone.

I may also add a 'Bodyguard' type that would protect from secret attacks, again for a certain length of time. Of course, they would be detectable by Ophanim...

May tweak the scum kill method a bit, still thinking about that one. Otherwise, aside from being a LITTLE more careful on recording Hurts/Heals (I have a big spreadsheet for you guys), I think it worked pretty well.

Thanks to all the pre-ins and the like. I'll let you know when the next installment comes up!

[populartajo]

Me thinks Tenchi was a bodyguard protecting someone else. His kill makes no sense right now.

[populartajo]

This also from wiki

Some sources claim that Metatron prevented Abraham from sacrificing Isaac.[2]

[populartajo]

WHO IS NOT USING HURT/HEAL NOW?
WE MIGHT NEED TO CONTROL THIS TOO.
PLEASE STATE THE TIME OF YOUR NEXT RECHARGE IN YOUR FOLLOWING POST.
RECHARGE : TODAY AT 08:00PM (GMT-5)

[Xylthixlm]

Me thinks Tenchi was a bodyguard protecting someone else. His kill makes no sense right now.

This would make sense. The scum did a bunch of damage to kill someone, then when they saw it hit Tenchi instead they finished him off.

Tenchi coming up town means I need a reread of the last dozen or two pages.

Working up a damage count.

[populartajo]

Someone finish Seraphim plz.