Mini 771 - Mafia in Ludd: Game Over

[camn]

Thanks Patrick.
And you wonder why you were the scummy one.

I think it is obvious that I

Vote: Charter.

He is too scummy when he is town to possibly ever be caught as scum.
Also, I am listening to John Askew, which I was listening to last time I thought charter was scum.

Don't hate me cuz I love techno.

Oh, and I will never join you. My loyalty remains with Incog.

[camn]

Actually, Upon reflection, I kind of support it.

Incog, what say you?
Did you confirm when you got home? whats the deal?

[camn]

So what you're suggesting is that because charter is scummy as town, he should be lynched regardless of his actual alignment?

Not exactly.
I am saying that I am caught in an endless cycle of Voting for charter because of incredible, overwhelming scumminess.. and then being mortally surprised if he turns up town! So I figured I would just embrace it this game. Why wait?

Camn, how exactly is Charter "too scummy" when he is town?

You have played a game with charter before, right?

[camn]

Did he play pretty scummy, and get lynched for it?

[camn]

Well! Aren't you combative!

Go fetch your own meta.

[camn]

Well, golly.. since we ARE taking things so seriously now!

unvote,
Vote green crayons

a) For blowing a random vote out of proportion.
b) omgus
c) for annoying me.
d) for making me waste my life looking for these games:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9391
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8684

[camn]

korts- i have a habit of being wrong about charter. I was both joking AND trying to get one of my biases on the table. I do this.
I generally avoid meta-gaming outside of the RVS... Which is something I AlSO like to be relatively short, Mr. Crayons.... But I do think your reaction is a bit over the top.

And defensiveness is not a scumtell!

[camn]

You are my favorite again.
Xylthixm is out.

[camn]

Incog was right... I was annoyed. (That why I like him.. he understands me!)

Not because you were asking questions, but because you wouldn't let me make my point. (I did have one!)..I was annoyed at your communication style, not your questions. But I forgive you for now.

And appropriate or not, my emotions are a part of my play.

[camn]

You will never know.

[camn]

Plus, I challenge anyone to show me a game where charter doesn't act super-scummy.

[camn]

I can't believe this game has already exploded.

unvote

Me neither, man.

But I am not saying I was serious

about you being scum

in 26. I was saying that I was seriously anticipating that I would

think

you were scum later on. So I might as well vote now .

Seriously (since all levity is gone).. I haven't seen anything scummy from charter yet this game.

[camn]

Looks like to me she's being pouty ...

You write that like it's a bad thing.....

[camn]

Hi.

Charter

- Not as scummy right now as I am sure he will end up being.
I am impressed by the non-scumminess he displayed in those 4 games.. so I officially soften my contention that charter=alwaysscummy. I also am interested in his case on Dizzy.
I also am noticing that Dizzy comes out with almost the exact same case as Ether did, only on Skitzer, not Incog... but Dizzy catches a lot of heat for it, while Ether catches NO heat. What is the difference exactly?

Let us examine:

I know someone in scumchat was complaining about skitzer not confirming holding up the start of a game last night. Perhaps he is the shenanigan starter?

unvote, vote skitzer

......
Incognito could have confirmed last night, and it would still have been nearly 48 hours after PMs were originally sent out. If he hadn't had anyone to check in with, I think he would have.

These are clearly identical.
I will follow this thread:

16- Incog refutes Ether Dizzy n/a
20- Patric refutes Dizzy, Ignores Ether.
23- Korts defies Ether's whole premise.. ignores Dizzy.
24- GC refutes Ether, ignores Dizzy
32- DIZZY UNVOTES, yet
36, 37, 41- continues to build a case.
42- Ether votes DIZZY. The plot thickens.
49, 59, 69- Dizzy implies her vote was RVS.
81, 84- or just to make a point/ or for pressure.

86- Incog rightfully states Dizzy isn't hunting.
90- Dizzy disagrees.
-->Charter piles on.

Hm.
My interpretation: Dizzy's vote on skitzer was a pressure vote?
Dizzy - why wouldn't you just say that to begin with? Your point about Ether's Incog vote was unclear, and I tend to think charter's vote on you is justified. If you aren't hunting.. don't say you are! I am not hunting right now. I am still trying to match up Avatars and Names.

Anyway.. I just spent hella long looking at this wierd interaction.. and I really don't have anything to show for it.

Sorry! Here it is anyway.

[camn]

Unvote : Green Crayons

You rule.

[camn]

i dont really have much more of a read on Dizzy than my comments above. I looked pretty hard at you two, but I didn't really come up with anything to show for it!

I also dont intend on commenting any more on charter-meta unless >I< think it is relevant. I linked the games. The whole thing got way too much attention for a typical camn grudge-vote! Clearly, I am out of my league in this game! But I think I can keep up. Maybe.

[camn]

Its not that weird. You could say I admitted that I have a terrible read on charter, and I can't be trusted.

However, I agree re: GC and X. I would love for it to blow over.. but they are both so verbose I hardly know where to insert a comment.

[camn]

Lets do it then.

But first.. could you elaborate on your charter-suspicion? You only barely touched on your reasoning.

I mildly

agree

that Dizzy was internally inconsistent, and I think that charter jumping on it was very charter-esque.
I would hardly say I ignored it.. in fact I looked at the events pretty hard. I did not conclude that Dizzy = scum.. but I can see charter's point.

In fact, it stikes me as kind of odd that even though you have a serious vote on charter,

you

are clearly ignoring him. . . instead spending all these bytes chatting with me!

Hmm.

[camn]

I'm reading your description of charter's Izzy vote as "charter-esque" to mean matching some kind of

town

meta for charter, especially in light of the fact that you say you can see charter's point. Is this the case? And if so, why the seeming willingness to submit to my call to lynch charter?

And this, my friend, is the rub. I only have town-meta on charter. And the meta is scummy=town, which obviously is useless meta in every way. And re: my willingness? I am a bloodthirtsy whore, willing to lynch almost anyone with very little provocation. You should see what I do when I am a vig! >wink<

However, after you elaborate, I see that your case is logical, but I don't think it is very strong.
The fact that charter "brushed you off" is not a scumtell, I don't think.. in fact, if anything it is a town tell, right? He was upfront and unconcerned with your characterization of him.
He admits to jumping on the wagon, and early day 1 wagoning is null, IMO.

So, overall.. although I love lynches, I don't think this case has any traction. But give charter some time, I am sure he will do something totally lynch-worthy soon.

[camn]

Vote Patrick

[camn]

camn in Post 64: This is just asking for trouble. I'm leaning towards bad play on this one.

I like asking for trouble.

camn in Post 68: Same questions/thoughts as above.

I don't know what that means.

camn in Post 109: You seem to refuse to believe that charter can be anything but scum. I feel like you are bringing too much of your past with him to this game and not enough of the current.

How exactly does post 109 say to you that I think charter is scum?

camn in Post 112: This may sound weird, but I want to ask for a reason for your unvote. "You rule" just doesn't cut it for me.

GC was, and is, acting INCREDIBLY town. In my experience. . scum don't drop atom bombs on people day 1.

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camn (1/7): Korts,
charter (0/7):
DizzyIzzyB13 (3/7): Ether, Incognito, charter
Ether (0/7):
Green Crayons (0/7):
Incognito (0/7):
Korts (0/7):
OhGodMyLife (0/7):
Patrick (3/7): Xdaamno, camn, OhGodMyLife
skitzer (0/7):
Xdaamno (3/7): Yosarian2, Green Crayons, Patrick
Yosarian2 (0/7):

Not voting (2/12):

skitzer, DizzyIzzyB13,

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Countdown To Deadline
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[camn]

LOL!

Unvote, Vote: Yosarian

I have to see how you get out of this.

Why would we want a claimed miller of your caliber alive in endgame?
The risk of you being scum is too big to leave you alive.

And besides, My Day 1 town-meta on you includes multiple bandwagons on townies.... which I have yet to see.

[camn]

Question... why not just crumb it and deal with it if someone comes at you with an investigation?
It seems like claiming would tell everyone more about the setup than we would like at this point....?

I ask as a student of the game, sir.

[camn]

Yosarian2 as scum - *gets paranoid about how often he draws investigations on a regular basis, combined with what even he could probably tell was sub par play, and a higher than average player caliber surrounding him, decides claiming miller and banking on the WIFOM-o-licious

why would Yosarian2 scum claim miller

reaction to get him out of a lynch.*

This x 100.
Plus, Yosarian thinking "I have played 100s of games, yawn.... I wonder if I can pull this off? If I can, then I win, and = legend."

[camn]

camn in Post 109: You seem to refuse to believe that charter can be anything but scum. I feel like you are bringing too much of your past with him to this game and not enough of the current.

How exactly does post 109 say to you that I think charter is scum?

camn in Post 175:......Third part: You said something about you once again being suspicious of charter. ....

Where, please?
Here is a link to post 109...
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 52#1595652
Can you find me calling charter scummy here? Or were you making that up?

[camn]

Don't worry. To me, everyone is scum until the mod tells me otherwise.

But his play is enough for now.

[camn]

Don't worry. To me, everyone is scum until the mod tells me otherwise.

But his play is enough for now.

This seems either unthoughtful or artificial to me; obviously, you're exaggerating. Unless you're trying to get someone lynched, exaggeration has no place in mafia.

I have even been known to think that one player was actually scum sometimes, and town other times.

That said, although I am sure I will regret this in the future.... I am starting to believe Yosarian.

Unvote

I think I was right, that scum don't drop atom bombs on Day 1.....

Now Ether.. I wonder where you went?

unvote; vote: Yosarian2. Filtering his posts, there's just not a lot there.

but, filtering YOUR posts, there REALLY isn't a lot there.

Your initial attack on Incog, I think bought you a lot of townie-points, since people so despise the RVS.. but there is actually nothing town about it.

If I am scum, and I run up a townie .. that can leave me vulnerable. Which is why, I think, aggressively pushing a case can be a town-tell... but If you come out using outside-game info, I think it takes the risk away. You don't look bad if it fails.. which makes it a brilliant scum move. You aren't reacting to the game.. so no one can notice that you aren't reacting in a town fashion. BUT you automatically get town-points for hunting.

[camn]

to GC:
I couldn't see why one would bother claiming miller, instead of just crumbing it, and waiting. I also felt like if Yos-scum gets away with this, he could ride it all the way to the end.

BUT, his responses were logical, as could be expected from him, and I can see his rationale.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, I think that his claim has gathered enough skepticism from high enough caliber of players that I no longer believe that his can ride it all the way in. I think THIS group will lynch or not lynch completely independent of any Cop-Results.

[camn]

Top three rocks.

Mine =
Ether
skitzer
Xdaamno

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camn (0/7):
charter (0/7):
DizzyIzzyB13 (1/7): Incognito,
Ether (1/7): Yosarian2
Green Crayons (0/7):
Incognito (0/7):
Korts (0/7):
OhGodMyLife (0/7):
Patrick (1/7): Xdaamno
skitzer (0/7):
Xdaamno (2/7): Green Crayons, Patrick
Yosarian2 (3/7): OhGodMyLife, charter, Ether

Not voting (4/12):

skitzer, DizzyIzzyB13, Korts, camn

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Countdown To Deadline
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[camn]

Top three rocks.

Mine =
Ether
skitzer
Xdaamno

Provide your reasoning.

It's arbitrary. I mean, if you ask someone to name the top three ways they'd like to die, it doesn't mean they're ready to die right now.

This is my reasoning.
I LOVE top threes BECAUSE they are arbitrary.
I am not as bone-chillingly logical as you guys... I like to arbitrarily pick out scum, and start asking them questions, and see what happens.
And, if I may say, I don't do too bad with it.

THIS GAME, however, I am surrounded by awesome, and so far mostly I am taking notes on how to improve my game. Plus I am watching, waiting for the right time to go crazy.

[camn]

camn:

If I am scum, and I run up a townie[...]

Scum slip or a hypothetical?

I took this out of context, but I did want a response about this. It reminded me very closely of something you did in a previous game where you were scum.

Well, Hypothetical if those are my only options.

Though I think a more IN CONTEXT version would be .. "If ETHER were scum, and ETHER runs up a townie......."

And I told you. I have no meta!

[camn]

It is simple......

I love lynching lurkers.
You have 6 posts.
You make my list.

[camn]

You shouldn't just base on posts. My posts are very informative and analyszing in my opinion.

I'm not lynching you based on posts. You just make my top 3.

[camn]

and I don't get what's holding Ether up either.

Probably because Ether hates being scum and thus tends to be much more quiet/lurker-ish when she's scum.

Vote : Ether

a) I would like to see you get in the game more.. as if I am one to talk
b) I saw you trying to buddy up to me first post
c) I figured out your opening gambit. See my previous
d) if Yos is town, he is on to you, if Yos is scum, he is bussing you.

[camn]

d) if Yos is town, he is on to you, if Yos is scum, he is bussing you.

'd' would be a fair point, but you missed out the possibility of Yos being scum attacking a townie. If you're only counting the scenarios in which Ether is scum, that isn't a reason whatsoever.

Why would Yos-scum chose this moment to attack a townie?

[camn]

You DID have something to say!

Don't like camn's sudden abandonment of the Yos wagon, nor her immediate switch to pushing the case against Ether. After that move, camn could just has easily have been distancing from Yos are charter. But on of these two (charter, camn) is almost certainly the third member of the scumteam.

I haven't abandoned it.. I just want more info out of Day one than I think we are getting. You guys are pretty verbose, and there really has been a lot of meta-discussion and not much groundwork-for-catching-scum later on. I want some.

I also felt like if Yos-scum gets away with this, he could ride it all the way to the end.

Correction - if he gets away with it, he WILL ride it all the way to the end. Which is why he is getting lynched today.

I don't think he will.
Lets assume Yos were CONFIRMED SCUM first thing on day 1. What would be the right play? Lynch him immediately? Or just ignore him, letting things ride for a while and see how he interacts with everyone? I think option 2. Right now we don't get much info about his buddies from a scum-yos lynch.
I also don't think ANY meta-discussion is going to incriminate Yos.. and I don't think a miller-claim is enough to justify his lynch right now.

Top three rocks.

Mine =
Ether
skitzer
Xdaamno

You made a very quick turnaround from being willing to lynch Yos to practically parroting his scumlist.

Finally someone noticed!

camn, you and charter need stop being equally good candidates for being the third member of the scum team.
a)admitting you are guilty of the same does not excuse you for being guilty of the same

I'm not building a case against myself!..... not yet, anyway

d)setting up an Ether lynch

regardless

of Yos' alignment, thats awesomely scummy. But I especially like the part where you're making contingencies for the possible death of Yos-scum, just like charter.

I see logic to it. I am unsure about Yos, but in either case I see his attack on Ether as DESERVING of some additional push.
Either Yos is town, and is in a Yos-town fashion trying to find scum.. which deserves attention.... or he is scum, and is bussing, which TOTALLY deserves attention.
Plus, I would like to put some pressure on Ether either way. So there.

[camn]

I know this is going to be an insane question...........but I ask as a student of the game, sir.

If you are so sure Yos2 is scum... why go after him now, on such a thin slice of a case?

If you wait, he will only present you with more evidence/information.... right?
Are you hoping he will accidentally show his hand during this meta-debate?

[camn]

Hmm. I think I follow. I do disagree on a minor point. I think that we are going to wake up tomorrow morning and have a LOT of useless here in Day 1.

That said, I am just as bloodthirsty as always. If Yos2 must die, you can count on me for the hammer. But I do wish we were talking about more other things, too.
And I agree with your request to Izzy.

I also am waiting for Ether's "proper post". I would like to read it!

[camn]

Because insisting on a fact something with no reason at all, and no evidence at all, is generally looked at as illogical....and they have enough respect for you that they equate illogical with scummy?

I personally have no insight at all into the setup of this game. I am thinking LESS THAN 6 scum.... but that's about the extent of it.

Although, on the other hand.. maybe you have role-based knowledge of the setup, and them wanting your reasons is actually them rolefishing?

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camn (0/7):
charter (0/7):
DizzyIzzyB13 (1/7): Incognito,
Ether (2/7): Yosarian2, camn
Green Crayons (0/7):
Incognito (0/7):
Korts (0/7):
OhGodMyLife (0/7):
Patrick (1/7): Xdaamno
skitzer (0/7):
Xdaamno (2/7): Green Crayons, Patrick
Yosarian2 (3/7): OhGodMyLife, charter, Ether

Not voting (3/12):

skitzer, DizzyIzzyB13, Korts,

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Countdown To Deadline
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[camn]

Before I get into anything else, does anyone here other than Yosarian or Patrick want to venture a guess as to why the two of them continuing to hammer at wanting a reason for me not believing a miller IN THIS SETUP is terribly scummy?

Because insisting on a fact something with no reason at all, and no evidence at all, is generally looked at as illogical....and they have enough respect for you that they equate illogical with scummy?

I personally have no insight at all into the setup of this game. I am thinking LESS THAN 6 scum.... but that's about the extent of it.

Although, on the other hand.. maybe you have role-based knowledge of the setup, and them wanting your reasons is actually them rolefishing?

So now you've laid out two different options, which do you agree with?

They aren't really mutually exclusive.
I think OGML has a gut scum-read on Yos, but is trying to dress it up in logic.
He might be right, who knows?
I don't think role-based info as to the

NON

existence of another role actually

exists

... but anything can happen, right?

But really..That was just me "venturing a guess".. though now I look at it again, and I think I might not have read the original question that well......

[camn]

Why am I not surprised that when I specifically ask for the opinions of people not named Yosarian2 and Patrick they're among the first three to respond?

I responded.

Do you have role-based info as to the NONexistence of a miller?

[camn]

I'm trying to get you to say something.

Yeah, I'm lazy. Until something actually gets me interested, I'm just going to point out fallacies

Does that help us?

[camn]

I generally find attempts to control the actions of other players to be scummy. This has been noted. I will vote when I'm damn well ready, thanks.

I find that committing to a vote tells the rest of the players something about you.
I also find AVOIDING letting other people know things about you to be scummy.

[camn]

Actually, I won't read everything if I don't need to.

You do need to.

[camn]

I generally find attempts to control the actions of other players to be scummy. This has been noted. I will vote when I'm damn well ready, thanks.

I find that committing to a vote tells the rest of the players something about you.
I also find AVOIDING letting other people know things about you to be scummy.

Avoiding voting is not the same as not voting.

Can I vote for Ether AND Dizzy all at the same time?

[camn]

OGML: I'm curious why you deny the existence of a miller on Day 1 when nobody's dead and almost anything is possible..

And I wonder if he has role-based info as to the NONexistence of a miller?

[camn]

You've attempted to find other people's opinions to latch on to to avoid the accountability of having your own.

That's your interpretation.

This was my interpretation, too.

And @ Ether.. Charter is not on my radar right now...... In fact, neither are you.

UNVOTE

[camn]

And I wonder if he has role-based info as to the NONexistence of a miller?

Could be, but it's best to make sure he's not just assuming this from out of nowhere. Also, it borders rolefishing.

Only if he is soft-claiming. Which I have been known to push lynches over.

[camn]

Hmm. Camn, what was the deal with your vote and unvote, anyway?

Which one?

I wanted you to get more in the game.
Plus I have been kind of gambit-happy lately, and I wanted to see what Yosarian would do.
Keep it up on the first, meh on the second.

[camn]

camn:

Why would scum be more likely to soft-claim than town?

Because it is in scum's interest to be perceived as a PR, and thus a poor lynch, but not be a CLAIMED PR, and thus have to deal with why-aren't-you-dead WIFOM.

On the other hand, it is in a townies interest to HIDE their PR status, because then they live longer.

Not that I am saying C was softclaiming. Just that softclaiming and rolefishing often go together.
I wasn't rolefishing GC, and I don't believe GC was softclaiming. I don't believe that GC has role-based on Yos, and I think his case is almost entirely meta-based.

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camn (0/7):
charter (0/7):
DizzyIzzyB13 (1/7): Korts
Ether (0/7):
Green Crayons (0/7):
Incognito (0/7):
Korts (3/7): Incognito, Patrick, DizzyIzzyB13
OhGodMyLife (0/7):
Patrick (1/7): Xdaamno
skitzer (0/7):
Xdaamno (1/7): Green Crayons,
Yosarian2 (3/7): OhGodMyLife, charter, Ether

Not voting (3/12):

skitzer, Yosarian2, camn

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Countdown To Deadline
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[camn]

Power Role.

[camn]

Hm.

Vote Xdaamno

[camn]

Vote: Xdaamno

Before somebody hammers, I want to do a long analysis. I'll start making notes.

Don't self vote. That's just ridiculous.

Incog.. since when is self-voting a TOWN-tell?

[camn]

camn, what are your thoughts regarding charter's play?

Is this some inside joke that I don't know about?

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camn (0/7):
charter (0/7):
DizzyIzzyB13 (0/7):
Ether (0/7):
Green Crayons (0/7):
Incognito (0/7):
Korts (3/7): Incognito, Patrick, DizzyIzzyB13
OhGodMyLife (0/7):
Patrick (1/7): Xdaamno
skitzer (0/7):
Xdaamno (4/7): Green Crayons, Korts, camn, Yosarian2
Yosarian2 (3/7): OhGodMyLife, charter, Ether

Not voting (3/12):

skitzer,

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Countdown To Deadline
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[camn]

GC's case was compelling.

[camn]

camn: You started this game off with an incredibly bold statement: That charter appears to be scummy no matter what his alignment truly is in any game.

Not precisely. I said he is scummy AS TOWN. I can't recall ever playing with him as scum.... but the JOKE of it was that I wouldn't be able to tell.

Recently, two things have occurred: A) you have diminished your suspicions of charter

I was never particularly suspicious. It was truly a RVS vote.

and B) two town-leaning players (OGML and Patrick) have voiced ever-increasing suspicions of charter. Considering this, I would like your thoughts on a few things. 1) Why are your suspicions of charter diminishing?

See above

2) What do you make of OGML/Patrick's suspicions of charter?

Well founded. AS said, charter plays scummy, in my experience. It would not be surprising for people to think he is scum.

3) Do you think the fact that charter always looks scummy (according to your earlier testimony) may have any affect on your/OGML/Patrick's perception of charter? If so, how?

Absolutely! I think it would be NO SURPRISE if charter got lynched, and flipped town.
THAT SAID, I would still be willing to lynch him if he was very scummy.

IN THIS GAME.... as I said last time someone hounded me about charter, he has not been making a big impression on me. I have a relatively neutral read on him.
Maybe his post volume is down.. but I attribute this to me DESPERATELY trying to keep up with the Epic Battles between Titans of Mafia. (EBbToM)

Now, I don't mind the EBbToM. I am enjoying it. I am leaning things. Someone said I shouldn't be so self-depreciating, but it is truly my feeling that I am in over my head today. But I am generally weak Day 1, and school has proved a little busier than I would like.
HOWEVER, I have a lot of confidence, however, that I will have more to contribute in the coming days, when there are fewer players, and more info, and maybe less EBbToM.

ASK ME ABOUT CHARTER THEN!

No more asking me about charter today!


Don't think I am not seeing a pattern here...:

camn, how do you feel about charter now?

Camn, do you find Charter scummy? (Heh.)

camn, what are your thoughts regarding charter's play?

[camn]

So, I took a quick read on charter....

He's lurking.
Lying low.
IIoA.
Hiding Out.
Taking cover.

His actual posts are less scummy than I am used to.
Which translates to less bold.
Less confident.

Less Town.

Thus, Charter is on my list. Ether is off.

My list:

Charter
skitzer
Xdaamno

God. Looking at it on screen.. it seems like an unlikely set of scum.
Hm.

[camn]

I self-voted out of frustration as scum when I was new.

That is when I earned my sig.
Rishi thought exactly what you just said. . .

[camn]

(I want Camn to link to the game she cited, but I won't support an Xdaamnolynch outside of deadline circumstances.)

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 62#1133762

[camn]

Vote: Charter.

For Bandwagon Voting.

Plus,
I like this wagon.
I like that it draws charter into the game more.
Plus my previously stated reasons.

[camn]

Ooh.

I missed Yos2's vote.

That makes L-1!

Whats up now, charter?

[camn]

Hm.

How is it easy to confirm?

[camn]

OK.

I like it. You earn a day of life.

UNVOTE

[camn]

A miller AND a recruiting mason among the 12 of us?

[camn]

Destructor told me once..... if you don't act scummy, you just get nightkilled.

BUt that said, I agree with charter. He has earned a day of life, in my book.

[camn]

Well, yos is impossible to confirm, and potentially a pretty big threat to the town.
Also, although I have never played with Yos as scum, I assume he knows how to pretend to be a townie.

Hm.

[camn]

I mean really... what kind of nutso setup are we looking at if both those claims are true?

Is it likely?
Is it possible?
Does it make sense?
Are these even "pro-town" roles, in that they help us?
Maybe we should lynch them all?

(these are honest questions.. some of you have seen a lot of setups..wtf?)

[camn]

I mean really... what kind of nutso setup are we looking at if both those claims are true?

Is it likely?
Is it possible?
Does it make sense?
Are these even "pro-town" roles, in that they help us?
Maybe we should lynch them all?

I don't see how the two claims clash. Why would it be a nutso setup if both are true? This is a curious sort of dilemna you're making here.

I'm not trying to make any dilemma! I just haven't seen it, and I know you guys have played a lot of games.. . so I ask in honesty.

As for your forth question...huh?

Well.. I was thinking that it would be funny if this game was chock-full of roles that meant nothing. Like a miller with no cop. A non-confirming recruiting mason. A psychologist with no SK. Stuff that is fun to claim, but doesn't help us in any way.
Funny ha-ha.

But I digress. I doubt now is the day for setup speculation anyhow!

[camn]

You gotta use it on OGML.

[camn]

Neighbors. Unconfirmed masons. Whats the difference?

[camn]

neighbor = unconfirmed mason.

[camn]

Why would they kill you?

And is there any advantage you you mason-pairing with someone who is not about to die?
You get nighttalk, I assume.. but how does that help us?

[camn]

But you'd be confirmed vanilla. (practically)

[camn]

Vote :Xdaamno

I don't like deadlines.
but if someone has to die.....

[camn]

I do.

[camn]

FTR, I support an Izzy lynch over a Korts lynch, although an X lynch would be better.

[camn]

Nice of you to drop in.

skitzer is scum, BTW.