War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[DrippingGoofball]

Hm, well, judging by my presence on Tajo's big, all-caps list of Non-Town players, I suppose at the very least I should follow his instructions, that I might work towards validating myself in his eyes.

Haha, my sarcasm detector isn't broken, thanks for testing it!

I have one question for you.
Please tell me all your Ophan targets until the last one.

Viqles and Xyl. In-between, I made use of hurts and heals.

[populartajo]

Kay, kay, Im relaxing right now.
You prefer Nuwen. Why?

I do think Nuwen should die second, if copter is town. Nuwen has made thoughtful cases, she is willing to die to prove herself, and she suffered scum damage. Copter has been hiding behind his aggressive meta to kill townies without making the effort of trying to convince others of the merit of his cases. He didn't even want to stop double-hurting Xyl! It's as if he's using his power as much as he can, knowing he'll die quickly, but creating as much damage as he can in the meantime. He has suffered no scum damage. He's like a Kamikaze Seraph.

When the time comes, we should make a COLLECTIVE decision, say, with a 24 hour deadline.

You make good points. The only thing that bothers me about Nuwen is her Walt hammer and her drunk posts. Maybe its time the rabbit dies.

[populartajo]

That is one of the factors I am reconsidering. But I'm willing to risk lynching Xyl over DGB if it was between the two them.

Fail. It's not "between DGB and Xyl", it's "DGB clears Xyl".

The issue of that is the fact that I'm not dismissing that there could be scum Ophan, given that Townies have roles too.

I won't dispute you for believing DGB.[/quote]
No. Scum dont have Ophans.

[Xylthixlm]

That is one of the factors I am reconsidering. But I'm willing to risk lynching Xyl over DGB if it was between the two them.

Fail. It's not "between DGB and Xyl", it's "DGB clears Xyl".

The issue of that is the fact that I'm not dismissing that there could be scum Ophan, given that Townies have roles too.

I won't dispute you for believing DGB.

Are you deliberately misunderstanding this?

It's not that DGB can't be scum, it's that

I can't be scum unless DGB is also scum

.

[Tenchi]

No. Scum dont have Ophans.

How can you be sure?

[Tenchi]

It's not that DGB can't be scum, it's that

I can't be scum unless DGB is also scum

.

But then if both of you are town we lose a power player, DGB.

[Seraphim]

What purpose does scum Ophans have besides finding town Ophans? Which is useless because any Ophan, to be useful, has to claim at some point.

[Xylthixlm]

It's not that DGB can't be scum, it's that

I can't be scum unless DGB is also scum

.

But then if both of you are town we lose a power player, DGB.

What the heck are you talking about?

[Tenchi]

What purpose does scum Ophans have besides finding town Ophans? Which is useless because any Ophan, to be useful, has to claim at some point.

When should a Town Ophan claim?

[Seraphim]

I think he's talking about kill both of you in order to confirm both of you.

Why do you think DGB might be lying about that investigation?

[Seraphim]

What purpose does scum Ophans have besides finding town Ophans? Which is useless because any Ophan, to be useful, has to claim at some point.

When should a Town Ophan claim?

In a perfect world, when they've found a player using rage.

[roflcopter]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

[Xylthixlm]

OK Tenchi. Let's take this reeealllll slow and simple.

DGB claims Ophan, that she was watching me during all those rage kills, and that I did not use rage.

That leaves THREE possible situations:
DGB is town and I am town.
DGB is scum and I am town.
DGB is scum and I am scum.

It eliminates ONE situation:
DGB is town and I am scum.

Now, given those possibilities, why would you possibly want to kill me before DGB?

[Seraphim]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

After we kill me and I turn up town, we'll kill you. Or, rather, we kill you and you turn up scum first.

[Xylthixlm]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

No. Tenchi first. Then you.

[roflcopter]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

After we kill me and I turn up town, we'll kill you. Or, rather, we kill you and you turn up scum first.

by all means, if you die and come up town, i should die. thats not going to happen though. and tajo suddenly undermining his own voting system to force his will of a tenchi kill on the town instead of killing you is extremely obvious.

scum sense the end is in sight. i imagine after tenchi town dies, then scum force through a decision on me or nuwen, kill me first and game over scum wins.

[populartajo]

No. Scum dont have Ophans.

How can you be sure?

There is only 3 claimed Ophans. Nobody else seems to have hinted that he is an Ophan. Last game, town had 2 Ophans and scum 0 Ophans. Scum and town had both 1 Seraphim. It was a mini. Therefore, its pretty safe to assume that there are no scum ophans and that there are 2 Seraphims for side.
Anything else?
In the worst scenario, your flip is going to give us valuable information. Even if you are town.
What are you going to do when you are recharged?

[roflcopter]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

No. Tenchi first. Then you.

thanks for confirming the scum plan for me

[roflcopter]

dgb, what 72 hours were you out of commission due to scanning viqles?

[Xylthixlm]

The plan goes like this:

Heal everyone who is on tajo's TOWN list up to full hp.

Start killing people on tajo's NOT TOWN list, starting with the scum.

[Seraphim]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

After we kill me and I turn up town, we'll kill you. Or, rather, we kill you and you turn up scum first.

by all means, if you die and come up town, i should die.

Good, we agree on something.

I am willing to die if my death causes rofl to die.

[Tenchi]

It's not that DGB can't be scum, it's that

I can't be scum unless DGB is also scum

.

But then if both of you are town we lose a power player, DGB.

What the heck are you talking about?

We have three scenarios:

1. DGB is scum --> Xyl is fooled Townie
2. DGB is scum --> Xyl is happy cleared scum
3. DGB is town --> Xyl is cleared Townie (or cleverly dodge scum by a long shot)

But look at this:

1. DGB flipping Scum, we not sure if you are scum. If DGB is Town, we lose an Ophan.
2. Xyl flipping Scum, we are SURE DGB is scum. If Xyl is Town, we lose a vanilla(?).

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Well correct me if I'm wrong but I think lynching Xyl is better than lynching DGB.

DISCLAIMER: I am not limiting the choices to these two people. I am merely explaining my stance on a given dilemma.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh man. Send this guy back to mafia 101. In a casket.

[populartajo]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

After we kill me and I turn up town, we'll kill you. Or, rather, we kill you and you turn up scum first.

by all means, if you die and come up town, i should die. thats not going to happen though. and tajo suddenly undermining his own voting system to force his will of a tenchi kill on the town instead of killing you is extremely obvious.

scum sense the end is in sight. i imagine after tenchi town dies, then scum force through a decision on me or nuwen, kill me first and game over scum wins.

what the fuck are you talking about?
Im admitting the voting system is slow for this situation. And NOBODY was giving a shit about it. It was perfect before scum used rage on almost half the town. Its retarded now when we have evidence on people being scum.
You really think Tenchi is town?
WTF?

[populartajo]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

After we kill me and I turn up town, we'll kill you. Or, rather, we kill you and you turn up scum first.

by all means, if you die and come up town, i should die.

Good, we agree on something.

I am willing to die if my death causes rofl to die.

Ok, rolf kill this guy. I cant take out of my mind the idea that both him and Xyl are prob using me.