War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[populartajo]

Tenchi who is scum right now for you?
Who is town?

[Tenchi]

I'm inclined to agree with this - the mini kept a 2:0 town to scum ratio in the Ophanim department. Adding an extra Ophan but aligning it it with scum goes counter to all of our other balance speculations, which assume that the mini's setup did not favor the town enough.

I

hate

confirming players on circumstantial logic, but this setup requires the town to indulge overlapping possible setups and determine which makes the most sense.

If DGB can be pseudo-confirmed, Xyl is pseudo-confirmed. Scum Xyl requires this game to have a 2:1 ratio for Ophanim. This explains the misplaced damage on DGB, which is probably just an effort to whittle her down. It doesn't account for the random damage tossed in my direction. I'm still wtfuxing on over that.

The issue with that is that we have ten or so players unclaimed. Any one of them could be the hidden Ophan hoping to find a guilty result or something. But yeah, "pseudo" seems to be the word.

[Nuwen]

The same I ask to Nuwen.

I wanted to hold off until I did Seraphim and then compare the merits of each pbpa.

Independently, ABR's history shows him to value coercion over genuine support. He's more concerned with acquiring the

image

of support than contributing to a consensus.This behavior is especially evident in his interaction with Juls, even though she flipped town - he didn't throughly question the motives of her support, but instead flaunted her as an instrument to advance his own hurt agenda. Like Rofl, he's playing vig-style.

[Tenchi]

Tenchi who is scum right now for you?
Who is town?

I'll repeat:

TOWN: TAJO, ROLF, FONZ
SCUM: XYL, DGB, SERAPHIM (?)

# Albert B. Rampage - Leaning Scum
# Giuseppe - Leaning Scum
# Firestarter/Drench - Neutral
# Nuwen - Neutral
# q21 - Neutral

[DrippingGoofball]

I think scum may have decided to not rage Xyl because they can make connections and list his potential "scumbuddies" while not actually killing him.

Maybe they just don't know how many HPs they need to knock off for the kill. This applies not only to Xyl, but all non-Ophanim and non-Seraphim players.

People continuing on the Seraphim attack must think that the scum is hitting players with rage only to heal them after.

[Xylthixlm]

That quick series of deaths was obviously the result of a scum plan.

I don't think the scum would plan to kill a bunch of townies, and then have no idea what they'd do afterwards. They'd want to know they had a good endgame before starting the massacre.

Who's the easiest target in this game? Me. I do look scummy, especially since I can't point to any previous town games where I've acted like this. (I'll have one after this game finishes...)

The timing of the scum kill burst, followed immediately by a vicious (and weak) attack on me, is not coincidental. Scum are going for the win.

[DrippingGoofball]

TL;DR

We need to kill ABR and roflcopter. Neither is town.

vote:
ABR
roflcopter

I'm reserving the 3rd place for later.

[DrippingGoofball]

Scum are going for the win.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

[roflcopter]

The timing of the scum kill burst, followed immediately by a vicious (and weak) attack on me, is not coincidental. Scum are going for the win.

the same argument goes for a scum gambit by dgb to false clear herself and you. if we're only a kill or two away from scum winning, now is the time to stop me from finishing you

[Tenchi]

The timing of the scum kill burst, followed immediately by a vicious (and weak) attack on me, is not coincidental. Scum are going for the win.

the same argument goes for a scum gambit by dgb to false clear herself and you. if we're only a kill or two away from scum winning, now is the time to stop me from finishing you

This is the part where I also say...

"Thank you, Captain Obvious"

[Xylthixlm]

The timing of the scum kill burst, followed immediately by a vicious (and weak) attack on me, is not coincidental. Scum are going for the win.

the same argument goes for a scum gambit by dgb to false clear herself and you. if we're only a kill or two away from scum winning, now is the time to stop me from finishing you

So you're completely dismissing out of hand the possibility that Tenchi is scum.

[Mr. Flay]

Howling winds rise at your backs, and the skies turn an ugly purple-blue color, like an old bruise. Some faces look grim, some angered, and some merely pained as the chaos swirls and rages around you.

SECOND DAMAGE TALLY OF THE TWENTIETH ÆON

q21 is at 1 HP above his normal maximum.

Giuseppe, Nuwen, roflcopter, and The Fonz are all at normal HP.

Albert B. Rampage, DrippingGoofball, and populartajo have 1 damage each.
Seraphim has 2 damage.
Tenchi has 3 damage.
Firestarter has 3 damage.
Xylthixlm has 6 damage.

[q21]

Thoughts of Seraphim, q21?

He's one person who I won't complain if he gets lynched before ABR (the other is Tenchi should he prove to be a seraph).

His hurt on Shinnen looks like it could be a bus, especially when he seemed so confident that Shinnen was the fallen Seraph out of him and rolfcopter. His hurt on Drench/firestarter is also pretty damning. His attempt to qualify lurking into categories isn't good either.

Like ABR for scum more though.

Why ABR?

Because he's the person I feel most confidently to be scum. See the post not post not so long ago where I answered why I was voting for him. Asking a question I've already answered makes it look like you aren't paying much attention to what I say.

Nevermind, I miscalculated. Thought zwet had 12 HP.

How does this affect anything?

[q21]

Wow, the scum like me...

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: WeyounsLastClone, q21 (2) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla,

????? x1

,

????? x1

(3) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle, Seraphim (2)

# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# Nuwen - Hurt by:

????? x1

(1) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by:

????? x2

(2) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone

(3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter, WeyounsLastClone, Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage (4) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls, Giuseppe (3) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by:

????? x1

(1) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

, roflcopter

x2

, roflcopter

x2

, Tenchi (9) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone, Giuseppe (3)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Kinetic

,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21,

Juls

, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage,

WeyounsLastClone

,

Juls

, Seraphim,

Juls

,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm,

WeyounsLastClone

, Nuwen

x2

,

zwetschenwasser

, q21, Seraphim,

vIQleS

, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by:

vIQleS

,

Kinetic

(2)

# Juls

- Hurt by: Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

,

vIQleS

, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Giuseppe,

Kinetic

(10) Healed by:

zwetschenwasser

(1)

# Kinetic

- Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

,

Juls

, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage,

????? x3

(10) Healed by:

Hoopla

,

DrippingGoofball

,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele

(-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, Firestarter, populartajo, Xylthixlm, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz,

Firestarter

(9) Healed by: q21 (1)

# vIQleS

- Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo,

????? x6

(8) Healed by:

WaltWishbone

(1)

# zwetschenwasser

- Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21,

????? x3

(7) Healed by: (0)

Secret damage as of post 2911:
3 points of secret damage were used to kill Kinetic.
6 points of secret damage were used to kill vIQleS.
3 points of secret damage were used to kill zwetschenwasser.
1 point of secret damage was dealt to Nuwen.
2 points of secret damage were dealt to DrippingGoofball.
1 point of secret damage was dealt to The Fonz.
2 points of secret damage were dealt to populartajo.


Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

That's another 4 points of secret damage. Something weird is going on.

[Firestarter]

I got on earlier due to stopping off at my bro's house, and now Im back earlier than anticipated.

I like Nuwens PBPA on ABR.
I stated earlier that given a choice between Nuwen and Rofl, that I'd consider Nuwen more scum than the former.

But the interaction between ABR & Nuwen has been quite enlightening to say the least.

Im liking ABR for scum, due mostly to Nuwens PBPA, and ABR's massively contradictory posts.

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:35 pm

I no longer support to kill Seraphim.

This is pretty definite...


Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:49 pm

i'm still killing xyl

You don't believe DGB's claim that Xyl didn't use any rage?

Hurt: Seraphim

This is sneaky, very sneaky hurt of Seraphim.

Why does ABR get away with hurting Seraphim?

Because according to the vote count, Seraphim is the vote leader.

The last post, where ABR HURTS Seraphim is reminiscent of a bus, to look town after a scum gets lynched.

I believe that Seraphim is scum, and combined with Nuwens case, I also think ABR is scum.

My third choice is Tenchi right now..
I voted him top of my list earlier today, but with ABR's movement and Hurting Seraphim before a concensus was fully agreed upon, he's fallen down my pecking order.

I do believe that theres an alternative mechanic in place in this game, whether it is what I suggested earlier, or just that scum recieve a higher dossage of scum points, or something completely different, Tenchi has hit the road hard since the rage outburst, and imo, scum are sensing victory.
Tenchi, you've been very quiet until the rage outburst, and you are coming on alot more strongly than previously...

RE: DGB & Xyl...

This game is larger, and by all accounts, we may have bigger numbers of each kind of angel in the game.
Id go along with us having more Ophanim in this game, we had 2 in the mini, so I think that 3 is an extreme possibilty in this one.
Unless another Ophan claims somehow, Im taking DGB's claim, and clearing him, and Xyl, for now.
Of course, if there is another ophan, or indeed, ONLY 1 more that has not claimed, then Im not advocating him to come out only to get slaughtered by the scum and their rage points. But if there is, then DGB & Xyl are threatening the result of this game, in favour of scum obviously.

Seraphim

remains most scumlike in my eyes, just ahead of ABR, and if needed, a PBPA will follow...

Rofl

.. Im really really confused about right now...

Q21

.. In the first game we both played in, you were one of the louder voices, and did not remain in the shadows as much as you are in this one.
I went after you in that game, as you did me, and your defence was very good, it turned out you were town.
Im not getting the same vibes this time around, you seem to be content with offering a few posts here and there, but substance-wise, not alot.

Pop

.. Seems Town to me right now, as does

the Fonz

.

Giuseppe

... well, Im leaning scum on you...
If Tenchi is scum, Im kinda thinking that you are 2, due to the last interaction between you both.

In saying that, my top 3 right now are as follows >>>

1.

Seraphim

2.

ABR

3.

Tenchi

Ill offer support to any of the 3 being lynched, favourably in my order would be ideal.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:35 pm

I no longer support to kill Seraphim.

This is pretty definite...

i'm still killing xyl

That was before DGB observed Xyl. If Xyl didn't use any rage points, that changes everything.

[Tenchi]

That's another 4 points of secret damage. Something weird is going on.

That is too much secret damage. Is this game screwed up?

[Tenchi]

Nevermind, I miscalculated. Thought zwet had 12 HP.

How does this affect anything?

I though DGB was lying when he said he only had 7 HP.

[Tenchi]

Tenchi, you've been very quiet until the rage outburst, and you are coming on alot more strongly than previously...

Again, I will ask: Would you rather me be quiet for an X number of days/hours after the rage outburst to voice my suspicions to not look scummy?

Please attack what I say, not the timing.

[DrippingGoofball]

I though DGB was lying when he said he only had 7 HP.

Reading roles posted by the mod in the OP is tech.

[q21]

Q21

.. In the first game we both played in, you were one of the louder voices, and did not remain in the shadows as much as you are in this one.
I went after you in that game, as you did me, and your defence was very good, it turned out you were town.
Im not getting the same vibes this time around, you seem to be content with offering a few posts here and there, but substance-wise, not alot.

My post rate last game = 1.8 post/day
My post rate this game = 8 posts/day

I'm

not

playing slowly, other people are posting like rabid monkeys chained to keyboards. I approve of the game rate and try to keep up, but I just don't have the time to make 200 - 300+ posts in 12 days.

As for remaining is the shadows: I've made cases and pushed them. I've stuck to my beliefs on who is scum and have done my best to hunt scum within whatever system the town is currently playing with.

[Firestarter]

Tenchi, you've been very quiet until the rage outburst, and you are coming on alot more strongly than previously...

Again, I will ask: Would you rather me be quiet for an X number of days/hours after the rage outburst to voice my suspicions to not look scummy?

Please attack what I say, not the timing.

Sorry, but Im attacking both your play and your timing.

So far we've caught 1 scum member.
That leaves us with possibly 4, maybe 5?

Regardless, its nearing endgame, and you, you have been quiet for so long...
You, who has only casted their first hurt several pages ago....
Are now playing a different style of game.

Your play & TIMING is whats bugging me Tenchi....

Whay did you not scumhunt for 90 pages?

[Tenchi]

I was at a conference. I actually said something on confirmation that I'll be gone for a week.

If you want photos of that I'll be happy to post it LOL.