Mafia 759: Street Fighter 4 Mafia-That's Game!

[rokovoj]

Rok's plan is to get Empking to slip up/break his posting restriction, right?

It was pretty clearly stated in the first post I made on the subject, so not sure what there is to clarify. I was saying that if people doubted Emp's PR and if he knew what would happen if he broke it, then he could possibly confirm that he actually had one. "Slip up" is not the best term to use here, since that would mean I wanted him to

accidentally

break his post restriction.

jakep, try talking about things in the thread before you are specifically asked about something. Additionally, it doesn't really matter if you're familiar with SF.

Nuwen, Tzeentch was the only one at the time who wanted to know if UA really wanted a massclaim. The other people wanted to know why UA wanted to shorten the random voting stage. There is a slight difference. Also, I don't quite see how what I said was a strawman argument, since I don't think I changed the content of Tzeentch's post while commenting on it. I'm questioning the motivation behind what he posted, not what was actually in the post.

[SpyreX]

The only reason I could have really seen for a mass nameclaim was under the assumption that "bad guy" names were scum.

You, yourself, refuted this.

So, I would really like a direction answer to this question:

What reason do you have for wanting a mass nameclaim?

So, no, there is no slight difference. Your questioning of the motivations of something pretty straightforward is...questionable.

[jakep]

If you are more prone to look at the people making a big deal of it - do it. Do something.

You just got done saying there's nothing to talk about and your last line is just begging to be things to talk about.

I generally don't like to really push for cases on day 1, especially this early. Some people play the game much more aggressively, and take little things and blow them up into elaborate cases. Just because I am going to be more prone to suspecting these people as scum, I am not going to make a case on it, until I have something more concrete.

[rokovoj]

Simply, I had a bad feeling about that post, but I can't just say "I don't like this post" without providing a reasoning for it, and it's difficult to explain exactly why you have gut reactions to things.

[Porkens]

I generally don't like to really push for cases on day 1, especially this early. Some people play the game much more aggressively, and take little things and blow them up into elaborate cases. Just because I am going to be more prone to suspecting these people as scum, I am not going to make a case on it, until I have something more concrete.

What, would you say, qualifies as "more concrete"?

[Empking]

I don't think UA has done anything to suggest he's not an anti-town role.

[Shinnen_no_Me]

There isn't much to comment? How about if we hear what you have to say about the current case on UA?

I think the case is really just reaching. The idea for a mass role claim doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me, but it might to someone who knows that the roles are not based entirely on the story of the game. I don't even know the story line for the game, as I haven't played a street fighter game since SF2 Turbo for SNES.

Really its more of a distraction, and I would be more prone to look at the people that are making a big deal out of it, but that is just how some people play mafia.

The case I'm building on him is not about the mass-role claim per se, but the reason he first proposed it, and then said that he didn't wanted. I want to know the reasons of such contradiction, as for me, contradictions usually mean that there's a hidden motive/lie somewhere, which usually means scum.

[Sironigous]

QFT with Shin..

I agree... he merely asked for a claim without backing anything up...
And then says it sped up the random voting stage...
So... I should've asked this earlier, but...

UA, a few questions...

What's the advantage of a sped up random voting stage?
Did you expect to be "pounced on" after suggesting one?

[jakep]

The case I'm building on him is not about the mass-role claim per se, but the reason he first proposed it, and then said that he didn't wanted. I want to know the reasons of such contradiction, as for me, contradictions usually mean that there's a hidden motive/lie somewhere, which usually means scum.

Ok, I guess that makes a little more sense to build a case around. Even though I could understand a player making a bad suggestion, and then rescinding it, it is definitely worth keeping an eye on.

[PJ.]

UltimaAvalon(4)

: (Empking, Tzeentch, Porkens, SpyreX)

Empking(2)

: (Shinnen_no_Me, jakep)

Shinnen_no_Me(1)

: (Blackberry)

Spyrex(1)

: (rokovoj)

Not Voting(3)

: (Sironigous, PsychoSniper, Nuwen, UltimaAvalon)

Finding Replacement for Zazier

Blackberry replaces Zazier immediately.

[Blackberry]

*ROAR*

I am watching a youtube video about MPD then I'll read.

[Blackberry]

** People in bold are those that I think have used wording selection in one post or another that has caused me to believe they may be mafia.

Tzeentch

- something about post 36 feels off to me.

rokovoj - I could see post 38 as defense because he feels his role reveals his alignment, already his post suggests that hIS role is relevant to his alignment

--> post 44 seems to follow my logic, which makes me believe he is thinking as I am, which leads me to believe he is pro-town

--> post 69 is making me reconsider, I think I'm going to be going back and forth on this kid, we'll have to see

Shinnen_no_Me + jakep - posts 41 and 42, voting someone because of some supposed voting restriction appears to me just to be casting suspicion with no warrant

Porkens

- Post 26 seems unnecessary and something scum would say

--> later post is more logical

--> post 52, came to the same logic as me about UA about the insulting

UltimaAvalon

--> useless post 59

Sironigous - post 54 seems off to me

Empking - I feel post 68 is overreacting

--> however, I agree with post 94, I was thinking that in my head, too lazy right now to go back and see who mentioned it (?)... I would assume however this is only a concern if UA turns up SCUM

SpyreX - post 71 seems scummy to me

Nuwen - post 74 was completely random and useless and confusing in my opinion

--> if UA turns up evil I'd consider Nuwen to be town in my eyes (86)

--> post 89 makes me think she is good

...

I read through first four pages and I am tired.

UNVOTE, VOTE: UA

[Shinnen_no_Me]

After you have played some games with Emp, thinking that he's making the post restriction isn't that far-fetched.

[rokovoj]

Would you find it odd if he faked a post restriction as town?

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Shin

Either back up your claims or stop it.

Rok: Scumen will probably lie to you.

Also, I think I remember someone saying that UA likes to start games fast.

[Shinnen_no_Me]

I took it back time ago, Emo... ¬_¬ I'm just saying that I still find it possible to be as I say.

And, I quite don't understand your question, rokovoj. Care to put it in other words?

[SpyreX]

I'd still love an answer to why UA "spurred discussion" the way he did.

@Emp:

Why the shift on this page from "UA hasn't done anything to think he's an anti-town role" to your vote for Shin with the "UA likes to start games fast" as what I have to assume is a rationale for that move?

[Empking]

I'd still love an answer to why UA "spurred discussion" the way he did.

@Emp:

Why the shift on this page from "UA hasn't done anything to think he's an anti-town role" to your vote for Shin with the "UA likes to start games fast" as what I have to assume is a rationale for that move?

As I recently heard about it.

[SpyreX]

Fair enough.

I still want to know given what he has said what postive results there were from this method of moving the game forward.

[PsychoSniper]

Vote: Empking

His sudden shift of stance on UA looks fishy to me, a really vague explanation given (remember someone saying he always does this), makes me more convinced that his alleged post restriction is just to give him an excuse to be vague throughout the game.

[Empking]

What's vague about it? Why does that being vague matter?

If you find out that something is meta and not a scum tell, I think town are more likely to reveal that fact to the town and unvote than scum. Why do you disagree?

[rokovoj]

Personal crisis going on at the moment. I will try to post in a few days, sorry.

[Porkens]

If I were vig i'd shoot psyco sniper tonight.

[Sironigous]

Speaking so much of UA... where'd he go?

[UltimaAvalon]

Alright, thats it. Everything you've said all day just irked the hell out of me, and now you're directing hypothetical power roles.

Vote: Porkens

@pretty much everyone: Truth be told, I dont know the pros and cons between long and short RVS. Personally, I dont think there are any. Discussion of all sorts is great, whether its random or relevant

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