War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[The Fonz]

Here's an idea i just thought of after the post... since i strongly suspect one of the seraphim is scum, how about both agree to not use their blades? That reduces the effectiveness of one-man wagons.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Here's an idea i just thought of after the post... since i strongly suspect one of the seraphim is scum, how about both agree to not use their blades? That reduces the effectiveness of one-man wagons.

I support this idea. If the Seraph in question is town, (s)he'll never know if it's the right target, and I don't even need to mention why a scum Seraph using the blade would be bad.

I really really don't like what DGB and Xyl are doing at the moment. Look how they skillfully twist and abuse what I say.

My plan is a decent plan, at least better than what Xyl and DGB have done up til now. Sure it has a high chance of lynching town, but it'll have a high chance of lynching scum. AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF SLOWLY KILLING ALL TOWNIES.

Also, Xyl and DGB are the ones asking everyone for full pbp-analysis. This is a nice way to look townie, while it actually is a scum-action because they gain insight quite a lot. I feel people should only give the top 3, or 5, at least not full disclosure on their thought patterns. At least, not unless everyone does so.

Scumgroup for me now is Xyl, DGB, ABR, and Seraphim (maybe it's a bit OMGUS) but they ring most bells for me.

Hurt: ABR.

I've seen more people having problems with ABR. It's time for action against him. For now it was just talk against him without him actually getting hurt. I want to see his reaction (and others) when he gets damaged.

[Xylthixlm]

Full scumlists are good for the town. In an ongoing game (which I'm dead in), DGB and me caught one scum purely through analysis of scumlists.

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: ABR.

I've seen more people having problems with ABR. It's time for action against him. For now it was just talk against him without him actually getting hurt. I want to see his reaction (and others) when he gets damaged.

WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS

[WeyounsLastClone]

Hurt: ABR.

I've seen more people having problems with ABR. It's time for action against him. For now it was just talk against him without him actually getting hurt. I want to see his reaction (and others) when he gets damaged.

WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS

If ABR was an indisputed player, I wouldn't have hurt him. I don't know if this wagon on me will continue or not, but before it actually gets really moving, I want to have done something useful. There have been enough people commenting on ABR that I feel my hurt is justified.

[DrippingGoofball]

My PM to watch was about 8 hours too early, so I have to try again. It's interesting to note that scum realized this in order to quickly dump their rage points before my watch cycle started.

Wait... aren't watch PMs secret between you and the mod? How could scum have realised this if you aren't one?

GENIUS

Good catch... Fonzie cuaght us some scum.

[Firestarter]

1st off...

Fonz idea of the buddy plan, one has a case, and the other likes it enough to join in. It will not win the game for town. Its more likely to aide scum imo.

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Scum concocts a valid case on a town member playing poorly. Town member jumps on board. Town member recieves hurt.

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Town member makes convincing case against another Town member. Opportunistic Scum jumps on board. Another Town member recieves hurt.

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Town member makes convincing case against another town member.
Town member jumps on board. Townmember receives hurt.

Your argument appears to be the following. Some town people think some other town people are scum.

At this point, I think its more than likely that more Townmembers will get stung with this system than scum will, given the percieved numbers.

Why? All you've demonstrated is that town can get hurt if people can make a convincing case for them being scum. Town can also get lynched if people make a convincing case for them being scum.

My argument that some town think other town are scum is backed up by the last 4 deaths.

My main point when speaking of the hurts taken by mini wagons is that it leaves town members open to those said Rage points.
Whats happening is that different players are taking hurts here and there, and eventually, scum will win through the use of rage points.

In fairness, Ive dropped my inital thinking on changing the plan quickly.
3 should be the minimum amount of players required to hurt from here on imo.

Which brings me to my next point nicely...

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Cybele made little posts, and I cannot add anything from what he wrote.
The following are thoughts/suspicions/quotes of WLC.

Confident Talk...

Also, we shouldn't treat it as a regular game because scum can talk all the time here and adjust and discuss their behavior to what happens in game."

On the Hoopla wagon

, and tries to talk down any turn around in Hoopla fortunes, that he may survive the wagon.

On the Walt wagon

, and again talks down to anyone not willing to jump on said wagon.
Pops the head in when some juicy action is taking place, lurker scummish imo.
Although both dead showed scummy behaviour, WLC's insistence on lynching both of them sticks out like a sore thumb.

This is bad acting imo...

I get the feeling with our first kill getting a scum quite easily, and now killing townies one by one, we were tricked to 'feel safe' day one, and that it was just a masterplan by scum. In that case, I guess scum were onto Shinnen, but kept in the background during the next lynches.

There are alot of inaccuracies in this post, as outlined in one of my earlier ones.

Guys, have you looked at our track record lately? 5 kills, of which only 1 is scum. I think with my plan there's a high probability to hit scum. Offering 1 possible townie to catch 1 scum is okay in my opinion.

What I really fear that if we keep killing people by concensus one by one, it will be scum really controlling the kills. I know it'd hurt to lose another townie, but the way we're going now isn't getting us anywhere.

@Firestarter: please don't bring the voting system back, it was hard enough to let tajo drop it. It turned out it wouldn't work here, although it's a good idea. It doesn't have enough supporters, let it rest.

@ DGB, at the moment my top 5 scum would rate:
1) ABR
2) rofl
3) tajo
4) Fonz
5) Firestarter

I see at least 2 players are already in favour of hurting WLC.

Hurt: WeyounsLastClone

"Con una lamierina scottante, muore l'angelo caduto."

[Seraphim]

Once we kill WLC, we'll start on Zwet. That slip is pretty damning.

And if Rofl or ANYONE ELSE kills without support, I say we kill them ASAP. I am alright getting killed by a town organized towards my death with discussion and a case but I refuse to die by one crazy person's actions.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am alright getting killed by a town organized towards my death with discussion and a case [...]

So you don't think your wagon is scum-driven? It's a town-driven wagon?

[zwetschenwasser]

My PM to watch was about 8 hours too early, so I have to try again. It's interesting to note that scum realized this in order to quickly dump their rage points before my watch cycle started.

Wait... aren't watch PMs secret between you and the mod? How could scum have realised this if you aren't one?

GENIUS

Good catch... Fonzie cuaght us some scum.

What slip did I make? I think I made it pretty obvious to everyone that I was going to start watching after Juls died. All scum had to do is check to see that they still had a few risk-free hours after my hurt action to dump their rage. I'm sort of confused as to what I said that was "damning"

[Mr. Flay]

SECOND DAMAGE TALLY OF THE SEVENTEENTH ÆON

Nuwen, populartajo, q21, Seraphim, and The Fonz are all at 1 HP above their normal maximum.

Albert B. Rampage, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe, and roflcopter are all at normal HP.

vIQleS has 1 damage.
Tenchi has 2 damage.
WeyounsLastClone has 3 damage.
Firestarter, Xylthixlm and zwetschenwasser all have 4 damage each.

[zwetschenwasser]

Apparently I'm almost dead. Fascinating.

[DrippingGoofball]

What slip did I make? I think I made it pretty obvious to everyone that I was going to start watching after Juls died. All scum had to do is check to see that they still had a few risk-free hours after my hurt action to dump their rage. I'm sort of confused as to what I said that was "damning"

I didn't realize that. Never mind.

[zwetschenwasser]

Seraphim, how about you?

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey zwet, you never said who you watched. Don't say it unless your watch period is over.

[zwetschenwasser]

I started yesterday a few hours after the rage dump.

[DrippingGoofball]

I started yesterday a few hours after the rage dump.

Gah! I hope you're lying,

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm not. THAT'S WHY I MADE MY COMMENT THAT FONZ MISREPPED.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm not. THAT'S WHY I MADE MY COMMENT THAT FONZ MISREPPED.

I believe that The Fonz got it wrong now that you've cleared it up, but for heaven's sake (this is the perfect game to use that expression) do NOT advertise the timing of your watches, unless you're scum and you're looking for excuses as to why you never catch anyone.

[q21]

Also I'm going to be kind of pissed if you guys let roflcopter bring me down to rage range singlehandedly. He claimed support from ABR and Juls, but Juls is dead and ABR appears to have switched to WLC.

ABR switches alot. He sets up

Intents to hurt[/b] and doesn't follow through. He backs truck loads of hurts on people. Basically, what he says and what he does are to different things. What he's doing is trying to spread the town's focus as far as possible. I've had enough of his play.

Call intent to hurt ABR

My PM to watch was about 8 hours too early, so I have to try again. It's interesting to note that scum realized this in order to quickly dump their rage points before my watch cycle started.

Wait... aren't watch PMs secret between you and the mod? How could scum have realised this if you aren't one?

GENIUS

Good catch... Fonzie cuaght us some scum.

Wait, so Fonz points out one thing about zwet, something that can genuinely be explained in a non-scummy way and you're ready to view zwet as scum.
I point what he's done in thread that is scummy and you ignore it and call him town.
How does that work?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hurt: ABR.

I've seen more people having problems with ABR. It's time for action against him. For now it was just talk against him without him actually getting hurt. I want to see his reaction (and others) when he gets damaged.

WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS

If ABR was an indisputed player, I wouldn't have hurt him. I don't know if this wagon on me will continue or not, but before it actually gets really moving, I want to have done something useful. There have been enough people commenting on ABR that I feel my hurt is justified.

What the fuck Weyouns. What the fuck. How can I ever trust you again.

You attack a player thats +1 health out of the blue like that. Wow. You're scum.

[zwetschenwasser]

I think the Fonz thing was just a misrep.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Weyouns do you understand the concept of focusing our attacks? Which means that we are focusing our attacks on YOU, and a few other key players like ZWET. Which means you shouldn't hurt me if you're town.

[DrippingGoofball]

Wait, so Fonz points out one thing about zwet, something that can genuinely be explained in a non-scummy way and you're ready to view zwet as scum.
I point what he's done in thread that is scummy and you ignore it and call him town.
How does that work?

I've been calling zwet town all game, but if The Fonz had been correct with his premise (he was NOT), then I could see how it would indicate that the scum had inside knowledge. Had The Fonz been right, then I would have changed my stance on zwet. Your case wasn't convincing, there were more convincing cases at the time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's fucking bullshit q21. By attacking me YOU are spreading the hurts.