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The first was another joking post, which is why I did not push the Vote for kpaca.Azhrei wrote:Gateway wrote:Unvote
Vote: kpaca
I think it is a great idea, "All not agreeing with me are wrong.", thieves don't have that sort of confidence.
Why the sudden change?Gateway wrote:Unvote
Vote: Verbosity
Verbosity's I made without any statement because I really wanted to see Verbosity's reply. As it stands I really believe Verbosity has self esteem problems and wants us to off them, (Voted on first day)
So for now I will be changing my vote.
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But I am suspicious of of the Verb, but only little now, and would like to look more into it on Day 2.-
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Would Mafia push that hard though, Verb has pretty much guaranteed a day two lynching if they lead a bandwagon in such a strong way and it is wrong.
Seems to me that verbosity is only fitting to their name with the extensive pressure.
As I said in post 31, we will really know better about Verbosity on day two. Right or wrong, I think Verb is just gun-ho-
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Alright to address a few points
Spolium - Why do I think he's gun-ho, because I feel he's living up to the term verbosity, we'll know more on day two. See post 36
To Jazzmyn - While I sure hope not, as I feel that role really ruins a game (unless it is a quick pick me up game or the like) There is always that chance so I decided to try and read it as a gun-ho person (they do exist you know) until day two.
Again, reading the above posts Verb is either scum, or a gung-ho person that likes to move in a direction and for the second is perhaps flustered by us talking and discussion the idea instead of doing it. (should see me play call of duty and explain the concept of rushing B in the beginning of every map and ignoring the one they start by, it looks just about the same)
At Azhrei - I am not defending, where did you get defending? I was asked why I changed my vote, I said I felt they were Gung-Ho or a Jester. Not really defending so much as saying I'd rather find out on day two.
Trust me I think Verbosity is blowing wind, and stirring up more trouble then they are worth, but still I am going on the vote that they are townie.
With that said though, and the fact Verbosity has us focused on someone we shouldn't, we might as well make Verbosity the day one lynch.
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Yes I change my vote often, I've never once tried to convince anyone else that Verbosity is a townie, I only answered why-I-think that, as per the question.
And yes, I have -zero- idea who is Mafia on day one, so if I had to make a vote, although I am not sure, I would vote Verbosity over anyone else at this point.
Yes I am voting while not sure because to claim you are 100% sure on day one is ignorance, so I am voting on the townie I think may be scum. I change my vote a lot because I don't have the "I am right!!!!" attitude. If a few posts say something that goes against (or maybe with) something I was thinking, I change my vote.
Also I never said to speed up the lynch, I just said who I thought at the time. You're over analyzing on this one.-
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Again, you first say I am defending Verbosity like crazy, which I never do.
I am asked why my opinion at that time was to unvoted while looking over who has me more suspicious. After a couple days no one, so since I think -everyone- is town on day one, the townie I think is most likely scum is Verbosity.
You seem to have an issue with me changing me opinion, why is that?
I happily explain my opinions at the time so I think it makes perfect sense for my vote. Also I would like to add this isn't the first time I voted on Verbosity, I had voted for Verbosity well before you claim I started defending them.
Also while I played mafia plenty for enjoyment, until recently I never learned as many terms and strategies. So "L-(n)" means little to me. It might to you, but at this point I think it matters little as long as you are willing to change your vote. If anything that might bring out the scum that try to push it over the edge right?-
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Don't distort and hope people don't read back, you accused me of being a scumpartner to Verbosity in post 42 then accused me of defending Verbosity in post 47.Azhrei wrote:
Note that my above post does not contain any thing about you defending him. At all. (That doesn't mean I don't still think you are, but it's not in that post). Next, I have no issue with you changing you opinion, that is not an issue. My opinion of you will most likely change constantly throughout this game. What I have an issue with is your logic.Azhrei wrote:Why do I get this feeling that Gateway and Verbosity are scumpartners?
You just lied. Next you say how can I vote on a person I think is townie. Let me say it again on its own line since I've repeated it alreadyAzhrei wrote: From nearly every one of your recent posts, I have felt that you have been attempting to defend the actions of Verbosity. You keep saying how you think he's a townie, but there really isn't much reasoning behind it.
**************Without deaths, cops, or some other information we can only assume everyone is townie on day one********************
So yes my day one strategy is to vote on the -TOWNIE- I think is most likely scum. Since there is no possible way any of us know who is scum on day one.
No wrong, but you admit a die you know has a 6 could roll a 2. I see a lot of sixes here and I was voting on the die I thought was most likely to roll a twoAzhrei wrote: Have you ever heard of mutually exclusive events? You know, you can't roll a 6 on a die at the same time as you roll a 2.
That kind of thing. SOmeone cannot possibly be a mafiate AND a townie at the same time. (Well, maybe there's a really screwy role out there, but I doubt it). They are one or the other (or a 3rd party), but not both. Yet you continue to stay adamant that you think Verbosity is a townie
Bringing up something else brought up in a previous post again? I answered that question in post 31, but I'll save you the back button, someone already asked the same thing and I explained well I think. Verbosity was making some large posts, so right after one I quietly changed my vote to Verbosity, and although I was getting heat, kept my vote until I saw the effects of my pressure and then changed the vote with an explanation.Azhrei wrote: Also, that first time you voted for Verbosity was not exactly very townish in my eyes. The post consisted of naught but an unvote and vote, and that is always something that strikes me as scummy. Always provide some reasoning when you vote. Seriously.
Ditto to you.Azhrei wrote: Now please, next time, actually read my posts properly. You have ignored things that I have actually said, and imagined things I have not.
To Verbosity - Your last post helped me make up my mind about you, I read it as more winded then defensive, and I don't think your a Joker as that would just ruin the game.
Unvote
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I said I thought that is why he uses large posts, not why he is town. Basically you just repeated what I didSpolium wrote: Given that "verbosity" means an excess of word use (typically more than necessary to clarify a point), I find it odd that you attribute this to towniness, when it is a null tell at best.
Spolium wrote: Iamcurious about why you think he has guarunteed a D2 lynch in the event that he is wrong. Please expand upon this.
Verb had a gung=ho attitude about -one- player on page -one-. If they would have turned out to be a townie, who would have been first on the chopping block day two? I think my statement was common sense
You just used a term I looked up, null-tell. Well a townie would quickly change their vote just as quickly if they thought they had an innocent person in their sights as well wouldn't they? So that's sort of a null-tellSpolium wrote: Scum could change their vote a lot to see which bandwagon starts rolling. What do you think of that?
I find it interesting that you've thrown your vote on/off/on a controversial player. Your opinion of him seems to shift when the wind changes. Can you clarify, in bullet point form, what you find townie/scummy about Verbosity, and why the latter outweighs the former?-
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Can't edit, but I meant 'You're' in the above post instead of 'your' (awesome meds, but making my mind loopy with writing words oddly)
While I am writing though Azhrei, I will address once concern I missed.
You mentioned my vote changing making you have concerns for my logic. I promise that is just my day one playstyle (you meta people can see that in my other games) On day two there are solid facts to work from and on so my voting will be a lot less jumpy starting then.-
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Bleh, sorry for the triple post. The "I find it interesting that you've thrown your vote on/off/on a controversial player. Your opinion of him seems to shift when the wind changes. Can you clarify, in bullet point form, what you find townie/scummy about Verbosity, and why the latter outweighs the former? " in post 63 is a quote from Spolium that I was going to address.
It is simple Spolium.
My vote changes because one statement or another made me question my logic, and I am quick to take off a vote that could be wrong.
I can't unlynch a person, but I can always throw my vote back on as needed
As it stands right now I think Verbosity is a townie because that is the gut hunch I get (I'm a gut hunch person on day one, "logic" doesn't really work since we have only theory and not a single fact on day one)-
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Explain what is scummy. I've addressed concerns and explained my 'scummy' behavior. Now after people have made large posts to express their questions to me I made a post to address the issues (that mattered) I thought I had failed to address before.
Maybe you'd care to go at least a little in-depth. The very syntax of your vote (no content, what brought up suspicion before) is what put the headlights on me. So how can you not be a hypocrite and do the same? More likely you're scum.
In fact while your defense will be OMGUS when I do this, I've not thought a person scummy just for voting for me. To me I've answered the inquisition, and it seems scummy to throw out a vote at the end without any statement as to why you think I am lying.
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I have answered your question already Sekinj, read the post about the dice when I was asked about them. I made a false assumption that when when someone else asked the same question as you and I answered them you'd apply it. I see my mistake so I will put your name in front of the reply since that is the only way to get you to read it
*****I think everyone is a 6 on day one, I vote on whoever I think is most -likely- to roll a two****** That was the answer I gave when asked how I think a die can roll a 6 and 2 at the same time, a rewording of your post that came before.
To Sekinj - Your question how can I think someone townie and scum on the -first- day is easy. We have no facts, so everyone is townie in my mind, and since no lynch is bad on day one, I vote on the most likely to be scum.
Now I came off like I was being condescending, which would be true if you really couldn't grasp the similiarity, but I think you're smarter then that as Verbosity says and you're just trying to tag on an additional vote.
FoS: Sekinj
Those of you that have at least read my replies do me a favor and unvote before the final scum hammers the last vote in.-
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1.) Sitting on the fence is a townie thing right, so why say that and vote scum.sekinj wrote:Your answer demonstrates that you are still sitting the fence, and had you vote on someone you thougth as a townie. you only removed it when you got pressure for it.
2.) I was on the fence at the time, I clearly said that with my posts and my voting. You're repeating what I already said and trying to make it an accusation.
You ask an opinion why I did something and I told you my logic... Scummy is a possible accusation, but not satisfactory? Was there a right and wrong answer, if so then the "right" answer would be whatever lie makes you happy.sekinj wrote:^ @gateway
just because you have replied doesn't mean your answer is satisfactory or that is absolves you.
Also rewording my opinion of choosing always on every game to assume everyone day one is townie into saying I accuse people of being both is not an A, B, question but a twisting of a previous answer so you could still get an accusation on.
I stand by my suspicion of you and MafiaSSK, who have really given the most slack reasons for your accusations, or stick by your accusations regardless of the answer.-
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Your question was wrong, you failed to supply a correct answer amongst the choices.
So to answer your question once again.
***I think everyone on day one is townie and I vote on the scummiest****
So yes I can vote on a person I think is townie, it is no different from what you are doing now. If it is explain it, I would love to see that one.
You choose in your head to keep people guilty until proven innocent and throw on a vote to hang. I choose to assume everyone is innocent on day one and only throw my vote at who I think is the most likely at that moment. I change my vote the moment someone comes off as the better target.
sekinj wrote:yeah, I certainly didn't see that response, since my question involved an A and B choice.Azhrei wrote: Have you ever heard of mutually exclusive events? You know, you can't roll a 6 on a die at the same time as you roll a 2.
That kind of thing. SOmeone cannot possibly be a mafiate AND a townie at the same time.
There I answered it in a previous post and several other. Since I am L-1 though I will say this. In a game a person can always see who targeted them without good cause. I have several votes against me but I see them as reactions to other people that are refusing to react and sticking to an agenda.Gateway wrote: No wrong, but you admit a die you know has a 6 could roll a 2. I see a lot of sixes here and I was voting on the die I thought was most likely to roll a two
Should I get lynched I thinkMafiaSSKandsekinjreally seemed the least focused on answers and only focused on accusations.-
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Hmm, I think I see your issue now. Is it you feel I was avoiding your question?
You asked the question in an earlier post and before I could reply someone asked the dice question, which was a metaphoric rewording of your post. I answered the dice post and assumed it answered yours.
My question is it you don't believe enough to keep me near lynch?-
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I often find myself addressing several questions at once, so perhaps the answer gets long as I assume people will read it in another explanation. I've been clear about my concerns against you and you haven't responded.
How about clearly stating your question towards me where everyone can see it, and I will once again answer it. Then we can see how you react.-
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Alright here, so I am forced to claim am I. So be it.
I've retired from the army here long before some of you were even born, and I still keep a few connections up high. By ten o'clock (night phase) I get a list of two possible people one possible scum. I can choose to pass that along in the morning... or ask my connections in the police force to deal with the one I think is it.
Still learning popular terms, but whatever the word is you have for that role, that is what I am. Not a cop, like a semi one I suppose.-
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How about this, since my words have a habit of being twisted. Tell me a set format and I'll do my best. I explained well enough I thought. To break it down.
.Night Phase get list of two people one possible scum
.Choice to have one dealt with, or report in the morning the two names.
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Why is my claim fake. Without using any of the wording from my post it really is as simple as.
Night phase - Two names, one scum one townie.
(options) Kill one, report both to you all in the morning.
Explain how that is fake or not allowed in mafia. It was sent to me, it is allowed and I don't see a single part of it anyone can say is unrealistic.-
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sekinj wrote:
Did your role PM not contain the 'term' or name of your role? it only contained a description?gateway wrote:Still learning popular terms, but whatever the word is you have for that role, that is what I am. Not a cop, like a semi one I suppose.
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It isn't an investigation role as I don't know which is the mafia, but using the two names by day two we can really start to figure it out. I say let me make it tonight so that.
1.) They waste a kill on me tonight and maybe we get one today.
2.) I live to tomorrow and offer the two names, giving us a two possible people to work on.
Either one of those seem good and if I can't prove this role tomorrow (I need at least one night phase) then I'll be the insta lynch right?-
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Or tomorrow I can pop out two names, and we know one is mafia. If both are clearly townies you have me. I don't see how it can be fake
Do me a favor since I seem to be misunderstanding and just address these two points to point out what is a lie
. Night phase I get two names, one townie one scum.
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Wait I want to see who exactly says this role isn't in here. Also does the mod announce my role when I die?
It seems a fair role, there are roles where people know for a fact if a person is scum. Mine only gives me a 50-50 chance. All the same. I have no further argument to prove my point. All I can do is say try my idea for one night. I mean I have to give two names tomorrow right? If anything it will start discussion and we'll know right away if I am scum.
Basically lynching me on a hunch day 1, or wait and lynch me day two with a 100% facts if I don't supply two names that fit the towns satisfaction. Which is better?-
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Okay, retired hitman.Azhrei wrote:Panzer is right guys. There is no way in hell that role would be put into a game, unless the mod was a complete dick.
Now, you aren't a complete dick, are you mod? I don't think so.
Gateway, the whole role is a lie. It's completely implausible. Of course you can tell us its real name.
And to answer your question I get the two names privately and in the morning I will pass them both out. I only ask you give me a single night to prove it. I will be under a lot of pressure the very beginning of day two no?
So to break it down again my plan is simple.
. Tonight get two names.
. Tomorrow report two names if I don't get NK
One of the two will be scum, so I'll tell you the names tomorrow and I will really be under the spotlight then right? Plus on day 2 I will have facts. I only ask you consider my facts, or readily explain what is wrong with those two bullet points?-
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What, please tell me where you've seen me play.Panzerjager wrote:Plenty..He's played alot..I would quote the answer but it's in a diff game.
To Az - Tell you what, since I seem to keep missing your questions, address them in bullet form and I'll answer right back. And remember you called the mod a dick if they actually inserted a role like mine
To Panzerjager - When I die everyone will know you are scum. I've never played with you in my life and you're claiming I've played plenty. I started this serious forum style weeks ago. Name my 'extensive' experiance.
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Or I could report both names like I said, or if I kill a townie on accident the person I report would have to be scum.Panzerjager wrote: Also he could kill a townie and then name a townie and say he misunderstood his role so that's another benefit of faking that ridiculous role.
I know you are scum now Panzer as I said my plan on night one was to collect the two names as evidence and you chose to ignore that and try to point out I can kill. Hoping to get that hammer vote in.
When I die and it says I was a hitman, let it be known Panzerjager was the obvious give away as scum to me, as well as MafiaSSK. (and Az said the mod was a dick if my role existed )
And you also said I had extensive experience, and avoided me asking you to prove it al together. Has everyone ignored that, Panzer out right said they -know- I have plenty of experience personally. Is a lie like that not a give away of scum? Someone please answer since I thought that it was.-
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What metamorphosis, ever heard the thirty cents but one not a quarter?Jazzmyn wrote: Look at the metamorphosis here:
Gateway wrote:I've retired from the army here long before some of you were even born, and I still keep a few connections up high. By ten o'clock (night phase)I get a list of two possible people one possible scum.I can choose to pass that along in the morning... or ask my connections in thepolice force to deal with the one I think is it.Gateway wrote: .Night Phase get list of two people onepossiblescum
.Choice to have onedealt with, or report in the morning the two names.
This is very much not right.Gateway wrote:Night phase - Two names,one scumone townie.
(options)Kill one, report both to you all in the morning.
Regards,
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I get two names, so we have a possible scum. I can't say one -is- scum, I just know one is 50-50 scum. Explain to me how did I claim my ability changed between the two posts Jazz?-
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EBWOP: In case the issue was context, in the theme games I played in the past we had to try and stay in some character so the first one I played out like the retiree I was, using 'taking care of' because kill seemed wrong wording in the theme of the role I got. When it became obvious people only wanted exact mechanics and not to add any sort of theme to my posts, I cleared it up.-
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An OMGUS townie? Read the previous 7 pages, I don't lash out at who votes for me. I only lash out at the questions. First you say you have extensive experience with me and the post your quoting is my first game on these boards and your first ever game with me. So less then three days of playing with me doesn't make experience.
Come now look people
3 days total experiance - Panzerjager says they know me a long time.
Tried to make me out as OMGUS hoping other wouldn't read the post.
These are give aways people, Panzer wants someone to hammer the last vote in. Really since only I can see it I'll make sure once against to point out Panzer. So someone pass along a vote from the grave for me when I die and it says I was a hitman (also remember Az called the mod a dick )-
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No lets do it this way. Harry, tom, and george play with me. At night I get two names, harry and tom. Come morning I say "HEY EVERYONE! The two names I got were Harry and Tom. No let's discuss, if my role is true one of them is scum."Panzerjager wrote:
Note: right there you imply one IS scum.Gateway wrote:Night phase - Two names,one scumone townie.
(options)Kill one, report both to you all in the morning.
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Not so much that I skim, but as I said I am still on meds (not strongly now) so I don't like to retype things I feel I have answered. As I am loopy and people try to twist things repeatedly. Or I get asked by one person, answer it and then asked in a different wording by someone else.sekinj wrote:-@Gateway
Please answer me straightly. I believe your claim, but it is important that we all know the extent of your experience. Please answer in your own words, disregarding all prior discussion on this subject.
- What mafia experience do you have?
Please include all experience on mafiascum.net, as well as any other online site, or real life experience.
thank you.
My experience is some, I've played smaller games on another forum where I MUD and most make it to seven or eight pages.
And post 57 I have answered none stop. I already said I wasn't defending verbosity. I was saying why, in the post the question was referring to, at that moment in time, I made that vote.
So again, why did I vote for verb. At the time I didn't want to be silent so I sent out a vote where I thought it most likely. If Verb would have been a vote away I would have unvoted until I was more sure. I stated I think everyone is a townie on day one. That is smart thinking to me, sorry but I am sticking to it. You have to vote though so I put pressure where I think it best.
So to post 57 again (answering it in different ways to make sure I hit it this time.)
- I had to put pressure somewhere and I already demonstrated I will unvote one post later if that pressure threatens lynch. My style, deal with it until time and experience gives me another.
- Yes someone claimed I had been defending verb throughout the entire conversation (funny considering I was one of his first voters... repeatedly) and I said I wasn't... because I was voting on them. I was just answering why, at that moment, I had to unvote.-
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I saw that this moment I've done my job. Since from my POV I can see better who's accusations are more baseless and who's are based on lies, make your lynch but know that Panzer has straight lied and I know it to be a lie and I have pointed it out.
And MafiaSSK has made it a point to try and be quiet, but I know them to be after me as well.
If you are unsure where to vote tomorrow, make a charity vote day two for me on
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Panzerjager wrote:It's only questionable in this situation. I'm not sure how much modding experiance you have but when designing/using roles you should also was think "What if a REALLY good player gets this role". Dude, commonly Un-NKable roles have been deemed broken(even in theme games)
You claimed you had seen me play plenty, a lie I have pointed out and you've offered no proof you were telling the truth.
Now you say I claimed to be unkillable during the night phase, where are you getting this stuff from?
Can someone besides Panzer respond to this post specifically and explain to me how I am not presenting my argument in a fitting manor.
. Panzer claims my experience, I prove it is a lie, no one cares.
. Panzer claims I said I could get NK, I never did, no one cares.
Am I the only one that sees Panzer trying to get a hammer from someone. Please someone just post to tell me how I am presenting that argument incorrectly.-
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There are flaws that have come to my mind in your logic Panzer. You say my role allows a one person townie army to destroy the scum right?
Well normally I wouldn't claim so I would have the two names to myself, not much I can do but use that to guide my voting or decision making at night.
To be this powerhouse you talk about I would have to claim, which means I get NK right?
Not only that I get two names, so I still don't even get a 100% detective, I get 50% detective.
Explain again how it is a powerhouse role, paying special attention these two points.
- Claiming gets me killed so I lose the "Hey town guess what I know" ability you claim I would have.
- Still no 100% on who the scum is, only a 50% chance.
I still say seek out the scum today and let the NK happen tonight, it will happen to me because the scum know I am telling the truth (I am not one of them), and will want to eliminate me bringing one of them into the light tomorrow.-
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That is a perfect plan, if the name happens to be one of the three I've thought are scummy I will make the kill. If it is a townie, by all means kill me.ThAdmiral wrote:My plan:
- we let gateway live.
- tonight he uses his ability and chooses to kill someone
- if the someone he kills is town we lynch him tomorrow after he gives us the other name, if he then turns up town we lynch the other name the next day
- if the someone he kills is scum we let him live again, and repeat the process
a) if he is town the mafia will most likely kill him anyway, and if he doesn't get killed then we have a ridiculously overpowered role with us and will win the game shortly.
b) if he is scum the only way he gets to survive is if he gives us a scum per night, which is a damn good deal for us townies.
c) if he is scum and doesn't want to give up his scumbuddies then he will die shortly and we will have lynched a scum on day 2 which isn't bad.
If I get no name that has been suspect to me I will just report both in the morning and from the discussion that creates we will really know one of three people are scum at least (me and the two I mention)
Lastly the scum will probably nk me tonight since my role is a threat, which means one of you live.
Letting me live one night to attempt proof only helps the town day two doesn't it?-
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1.) The above post addresses this, we know 100% that one of three people (me and the two names) are scum and can start focusing on set facts D2Spolium wrote:
1. What do you think the town should do if you survive to D2, given that you have not touched upon this?Gateway (229) wrote:I still say seek out the scum today and let the NK happen tonight, it will happen to me because the scum know I am telling the truth (I am not one of them), and will want to eliminate me bringing one of them into the light tomorrow.
2. Kindly address my question regarding molestargazer and Archon.
2.) My experience is as I said, minor on a MUD forum on the occasion we have a mafia game. We don't keep them going but you can see how short they are as I said at www.middle-earth.us and visit the discussion forum under games. I can't give away my name because that is an in character board, I don't talk with anyone outside of the game there and no one there knows who I am, it is how I stay in character.
Are you reading? Panzer claimed knowledge of my extensive experience and nothing, a straight lie. Then Panzer claims I said I couldn't be night killed; that came out of eastbumblefek, nowhere. Obviously Panzer is after me so I am gunning for the person I can personally see making lies up out of no where. Why are you ignoring the two claims I made against Panzer?Spolium wrote:@TheAdmiral:Your strategy seems sound and in principle I think it's a good idea, but Gateway has contradicted himself on a few occasions and has been suspiciously evasive in revealing his ability. I don't like the way he's gunning for Panzer either.-
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I was writing my post as Verbosity posted, so in reply. I think I have no friends, my lack of ability to quickly make use of terms early in the game put me at a handy cap.
I truthfully feel the plan put together to have me go one night is perfect. Only scum should fear it, as right now the town can seek out another possible scum and tomorrow know for a fact who to lynch if I am wrong.
I have no excuse or way to hide D2 if I am scum, I see for a fact Panzer is trying to push it right now and I know they are scum. Even right now if I was lynched I'd be a small assistance in dropping Panzer. Still I think even the chance I offer and the promised lynch of dying on D2 is worth letting me survive a night.
And, what if your guilty eyes are wrong and I am a townie. If I do pick correctly and kill scum, the next day we are one less scum -and- I can announce who the other was so we know they are innocent.-
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I would throw my vote, but I have learned already. Panzer has been attacking with nothing and people ignore when I ask for proof. If I had voted Panzer, they would have claimed OMGUS and said it is scummy. People have ignored my suspicion and outing of Panzer's experience lie, so no one would pay attention I had suspected Panzer for quite a few posts now.-
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Okay, speak layman's since I am lost what are my strawman arguments?
As for Molestargzaer and Archon. I stated in a previous post on day one nothing can be seen as proof. I am townie and I've seen people twist my words so they could just be falling for that effect or misreading. Only Panzer has clearly lied about something I know 100%
You said Panzer can't post because of threat from modkill. How about just saying experience? The games I am in have all started within a week or so, and all my first games. Panzer recently replaced a few days ago, so I am true in saying Panzer has known me for a couple days. Just say how you know I am experienced.
Because of this I have no real facts or solid opinions that could change except for Panzer.
Maybe you can help me, what way can Panzer prove they were making up lies from nothing without a modkill? Can't they say they've known me or watched me for months? Or say I've made hundreds of posts?-
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Come on that is just stupid. I quoted the part that I was answering, as it answered several questions sent to me. I wasn't quoting your entire post because I was only answering that question at the time.
I've learned not to answer your questions on task because your just wait a few pages and post some twisting of words to keep momentum.
In case you missed it though I will be clear to you again.
Since we have syntax issues between my communication and yours...
. Bullet your questions.
. I will answer as long as
. You show at least an intelligent reply besides "Nope you're stupid and guilty!"
Right now you are showing third grade schoolyard momentum to me. That seems pretty scummy.-
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Actually as I was about to nitpick your 'ten o'clock' theory and others. I see I have already given a reply and don't need to go lengthy. That was all while I thought I had to stay in character. So I was being vague, the -moment- I was told you aren't mod killed for giving the mechanics of the role I spit it out.
I mean for @# (you chosen curse) sake . Then all the what not after about me keeping out the cops and the like after was a crock as I had been told I don't need to be in character and I only spoke mechanics.
Or an even bigger sign to slap you with. I am sure I posted the site I played at before on this forum. It is a roleplaying mud, that should give away my goal before being told was to stay in character and not be mod-killed by stating mechanics.
I mean really, seeing that what is your argument. It is such a friggen stupid point, you are basically bringing up something dead hoping to get people that might not be following to jump on.
I challenge anyone to say I am wrong and that his post stands up.-
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Yeah, well I thought you had common sense, my bad.
I will break it down for you, remember all the talk (there are a half dozen posts on it) about the plan of me going until tomorrow and naming the two?
So how can:
"If you choose to kill one, are you not allowed to tell us the other name? If so, what is the punishment for telling us?"
Not be answered by that.
Like I -already- said I cut out the part that wasn't being answered in my post. As it was a friggen common sense answer. You are being just shallow with your accusations.
Explain to me how I avoided your "If you choose to kill one, are you not allowed to tell us the other name? If so, what is the punishment for telling us?" question.
Yes I did not put up a pretty quote box or put your name, I thought average IQ would read me saying "I'll declare the two names tomorrow" as an answer to that question-
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So at this point, Let me say that Az and Panzer -are- scum. My POV lets me see them as really baseless. Or in Panzer's situation a flat out liar that has shut up once I said to just prove it. I supplied several mod friendly phrases Panzer could use and they have just ignored it.
Tomorrow I would be seeking out Panzer and Az as serious scum. Mafiassk and sekinj are suspicious.
So even if I get lynched I am pointing out that Panz and Az have shown a general fear of the town strategy of seeing if I can make two names tomorrow. Hard to do if I am lying as I will be made for scum D2 for sure if I live.
If I am scum and lying, then you all have me D2. Why fear that, there are other targets here and if I can't supply my 'outrageous' claim tomorrow. Then you all have a safe lynch tomorrow right.
That is my reply, but this is a question I really want addressed by my accusers.
Please someone with a vote on me tell me what is wrong with saving a possible townie and weapon, with the worst possible turnout being a safe lynch tomorrow?-
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We already answered that. Who's the moron.Azhrei wrote: The questions WAS NOT a common sense answer. I asked you whether, if you were to kill one of the names you were given, are you allowed to tell us the other name the next day. I then asked, if you werre not allowed, what the punishment was.
Learn to read.
I will break it down to retard, numnutz level for you though
All the posts about me living to day two and passing along the names because I am allowed didn't answer that for you? Really? OkayAzhrei wrote:The questions WAS NOT a common sense answer. I asked you whether, if you were to kill one of the names you were given, are you allowed to tell us the other name the next day.
YES I CAN PASS ALONG THE NAMES WITHOUT PUNISHMENT
I mean really. We had entire discussions about having me survive until day two to see if my roleclaim is fake. That wasn't an answer?
And onto the rest of your pathetically stupid question
Ever right n/a on a form before? If I don't get in trouble, I can't answer what my punishment for when I get in trouble now can I.Azhrei wrote: I then asked, if you werre not allowed, what the punishment was.
Learn to read.
Now please. I've done my best to break it down to a level your single digit I.Q. can understand. Explain how the question is -still- not answered for you.
Why are you so scared of my roleclaim, surely D2 is promised town if I am scum right? Only scum should fear it. So I stand behind you and Panzer being scum.
@ sejink - You made half hearted votes against me. Others are voting based on lies that they won't seem to read I've already proven wrong, you based yours on what seemed to be adding momentum. You're not scummy to me, but in my POV statement you are someone I am suspicious of.
I feel a person's POV is always important to know should they die, as I can obviously see who is coming at me with the most baseless accusation. If I get lynched and the role pops up as hitman, I want people to know Az and Panzer were the 100% scum after me. People should also know I was suspicious of you and MafiaSSK. Not so much now, but I feel an eye should be kept on you when we prove I am a hitman (either tomorrow morning, or today's lynch, I still ousted scum see?)-
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To Jazz. Again that -morph- everyone is talking about is because I thought you were modkilled for breaking character and naming the specifics of your role. So I tried to explain them in theme.
And most importantly please read this.
You say I changed my claim. No I said I get two people, one possible scum.
The second time I said two names and one is scum. They are they exact same thing.
I meant that of -two- people -one- is scum.
Which means either of them are possibly scum.
I've noticed Az say I ignore questions, but is anyone paying attention to the answer.
1.) Do you really not see how I was in character up until the moment I was informed no modkill?
2.) Can you not see the two "different" claims are the same. Two names, one innocent one scum?
Can you show me you're not asking questions to accuse, but asking questions to learn by telling me what my answer is lacking?-
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