War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[zwetschenwasser]

My PM to watch was about 8 hours too early, so I have to try again. It's interesting to note that scum realized this in order to quickly dump their rage points before my watch cycle started.

[Tenchi]

I'm just shocked with the pace of the kills. I'm thinking that we lost are lead after we got our first scum.

I am not sure of what context "the plan" you have is in, but I feel that a small group (small scum infested/infiltrated group?) dominating the hurts is just bad.

Let's have more discussion. When we added a bit of more thinking, I think we do well together. I think we should try to do what we (or you guys) did the first few days in this game.

[Tenchi]

I would like to see the Fake Votecount re-introduced

Please, we need everyone to vote on this, Thank You

<3

[zwetschenwasser]

Hopefully my watch works now...

[Xylthixlm]

so, roflcopter... as the guy who did most of the damage to Kinetic, how do you feel about him turning up town?

[roflcopter]

so, roflcopter... as the guy who did most of the damage to Kinetic, how do you feel about him turning up town?

as the guy who led a fifty page long crap attack on walt, how would you like to get bent?

hurt; xylthixlm

my decision is made with a mighty blade

[Tenchi]

There's at least one chess player on the scumteam.

Really? What's so 'check' about killing Kinetic? I was just going to look up really dumb players as possible scum.

(I'm sandwiching my review. Reading backwards and reviewing the earlier stuff)

Kinetic was STRONGLY suspected early game. I feel it was a bad move to use rage points against him IF they were rage points. In that case, scum are just trigger happy people who want to kill people.

I am not taking out the possibility of an passionate Townie with an ability to deal secret damage too though. I have yet to review why Kinetic was hurt by people.

[DrippingGoofball]

WLC has failed to explain how his plan kills more scum than townies, depriving me of laughter. I wear a frown.

I support hurting WLC. However, since the scum started dumping rage points, it's better for me now to use my other power rather than hurts/heals. I will make sure to voice my express support/disapproval of wagons so that my opinions continue to be traceable.

[Xylthixlm]

so, roflcopter... as the guy who did most of the damage to Kinetic, how do you feel about him turning up town?

as the guy who led a fifty page long crap attack on walt, how would you like to get bent?

hurt; xylthixlm

my decision is made with a mighty blade

You didn't answer the question

[Xylthixlm]

WLC has failed to explain how his plan kills more scum than townies, depriving me of laughter. I wear a frown.

I support hurting WLC. However, since the scum started dumping rage points, it's better for me now to use my other power rather than hurts/heals. I will make sure to voice my express support/disapproval of wagons so that my opinions continue to be traceable.

You might want to vary your use times a bit so that the scum can't guess exactly when you will be between uses.

[DrippingGoofball]

You might want to vary your use times a bit so that the scum can't guess exactly when you will be between uses.

I don't need to announce time, do I?

BTW, the bunny isn't quite himself. He's usually more polite in his condescension.

[Xylthixlm]

roflcopter is a serious hypocrite for trying to tar me with WaltWishbone, now. At least I had support from other people and wasn't just going on a one-man crusade.

[Tenchi]

roflcopter is a serious hypocrite for trying to tar me with WaltWishbone, now. At least I had support from other people and wasn't just going on a one-man crusade.

Who were the other people?

[Tenchi]

Xyl: I don't mean by other supporters. I mean other people who "crusaded" against Walt.

[DrippingGoofball]

roflcopter is a serious hypocrite for trying to tar me with WaltWishbone, now. At least I had support from other people and wasn't just going on a one-man crusade.

With two hurts a pop, no less...

[Xylthixlm]

Also I'm going to be kind of pissed if you guys let roflcopter bring me down to rage range singlehandedly. He claimed support from ABR and Juls, but Juls is dead and ABR appears to have switched to WLC.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl: I don't mean by other supporters. I mean other people who "crusaded" against Walt.

Just look at a list of everyone who hurt Walt.

[Xylthixlm]

Here you go:

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS,

Kinetic

(2)

Let's see. DrippingGoofball provided the initial second to my intent to hurt. Nuwen hopped on pretty early, and stayed on. WLC, zwet, q21, Seraphim, and vIQleS all tossed in a damage at some point, though the last three only did so after Walt was well on the way to being dead. I forget exactly where it was that I backed off and did a new call for support before hurting Walt again... I think it was between zwet and q21.

[DrippingGoofball]

Mind posting the Kinetic wagon for quick comparison?

[Xylthixlm]

Ah yes, here was my second intent to hurt...

Someone please second my intent to hurt on WaltWishbone.

Seconded.

I'd forgotten that was ABR!

Of course, I didn't hurt immediately, because I didn't think one second was enough. Instead I hurt Drench.

And then the WaltWishbone bandwagon was resurrected by .. guess who .. WeyounsLastClone!

why is no one discussing more about Walt's posts 1042/1043/1044?
Walt: what was your thought process at that point, why did you feel the need to specify the number of scum, and then adjust your number?

I'd be willing to heard Walt because of his somewhat nervous behavior later as well as these 3 post mentioned. I'd also be willing to hurt Juls because she doesn't bring anything on her own. How convenient to just follow someone else, which allows you to post, but not having to say something new yourself which might make you slip up. Finally, I'd be willing to hurt ABR. Could be it's just his personality, but I've been scum with him in a previous game, and his behavior now feels really like then (granted, I haven't played with him when he was town, so I don't know if he'd behave in the same way).

And I followed Weyoun onto the wagon:

WLC: I'll join you on Walt as soon as I recharge. Hopefulyl we'll get Nuwen, too.

Some of the things Walt has said are really setting off alarm bells, particularly an early comment about power roles. Now he's encouraging the town to just lynch randomly which I find even worse. I was seriously considering the possibility that he's drunk every time he posts, but that would involve a

lot

of alcohol for that burst over the weekend...

And Nuwen thirded:

Nuwen will be putting the hurt on Walt in about an hour.

From there the wagon picked up steam again and ended up in Walt being dead.

[Xylthixlm]

The Kinetic wagon, by request:

# Kinetic

- Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

,

Juls

, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage,

????? x3

(10) Healed by:

Hoopla

,

DrippingGoofball

,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

I wasn't paying close enough attention to put together a post chronology, but it's pretty clear where the damage came from:

5 points - roflcopter
3 points - ????? (probably scum)
2 points - ABR and his puppet Juls

Also, DGB had repeated bad luck in trying to heal Kinetic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hurt WLC

[Albert B. Rampage]

Copter finish off WLC plz.

[roflcopter]

roflcopter is a serious hypocrite for trying to tar me with WaltWishbone, now. At least I had support from other people and wasn't just going on a one-man crusade.

i have posthumous support for walt wishbone

[The Fonz]

1st off...

Fonz idea of the buddy plan, one has a case, and the other likes it enough to join in. It will not win the game for town. Its more likely to aide scum imo.

*

Scum concocts a valid case on a town member playing poorly. Town member jumps on board. Town member recieves hurt.

As opposed to scum makes valid case on town playing poorly, town gets lynched?

*

Town member makes convincing case against another Town member. Opportunistic Scum jumps on board. Another Town member recieves hurt.

As opposed to town member makes convincing case on other town member, opportunistic scum jump on board, town player gets lynched?

*

Town member makes convincing case against another town member.
Town member jumps on board. Townmember receives hurt.

Your argument appears to be the following. Some town people think some other town people are scum.

At this point, I think its more than likely that more Townmembers will get stung with this system than scum will, given the percieved numbers.

Why? All you've demonstrated is that town can get hurt if people can make a convincing case for them being scum. Town can also get lynched if people make a convincing case for them being scum.

Given that the mechanic in this game is most likely similar to the first mini, Rage points prove to be a real pain in the ass right now, regardless of time spent in game.

Rage points are MORE of a problem when we take longer, because there are more of them.

One of the powers we all have is being completly overlooked here, and scum are laughing up their sleeves at town.
The power I speak of?

HEAL!!!!!

The said Town members who recieved hurts through Fonz' system are now sitting ducks to be murdered.
Scum rape disorganised town, and eventually win.

STALLS THE GAME STALLS THE GAME STALLS THE GAME

Those people who have received hurts through this system are those who PEOPLE SUSPECT. If one group of people suspect and want to hurt a player, and another don't and want to heal him, XYZZY!

At this very point, it seems scum may have used up what rage points they had, and do not have the power to secretly hurt further until they recharge.

Except that a) scum recharge today and b) surely scum getting recharges every week is an argument for, i don't know, trying to kill another scum before they can recharge?

How on Earth this was overlooked is amazing imo...

It wasn't overlooked. It was rejected because it was SCUMMY AS FUCK.

obsolete issues

More importantly, we need to know who you think is town, and who you think is scum. Please write a comprehensive list, with your thoughts on each player. Thanks.

Correct. It is clear the implications of his actions are to slow the game to allow rage to build up. Both the healing plan, and the trying to discuss it rather than who is scum, are significant game-stallers.

1. Funnily enough, the first plan used was the most succesful. The 2nd plan is currently town destructive.

Explain how it was successful. In the first game, those aeons where the plan was in place, the town pissed around for a week whilst scum picked them off one-by-one with their ever increasing rage.

2. The current plan is NOT done with general concensus.

3. The voting plan did work. Used once, caught scum.

This is actually a lie. The first scum was caught by THE FONZ PLAN. I spotted a scum, called the hurt, ABR backed me up, Kinetic piled on, Albert and I hurt again...

Again. You talk about consensus. GETTING MORE THAN HALF THE PLAYERS TO AGREE ON ONE TARGET WILL TAKE FOREVER. HEALING EVERYONE BEFORE WE DO THAT WILL MAKE IT FOREVER +1, AND OF COURSE THE HEALING IS LIKELY TO BENEFIT SCUM AS MUCH AS IT DOES TOWN. See my prior post on the matter- all that healing does it make it harder to kill ANYONE, scum or town.

Very simple, Firestarter. The voting system will result in a deadlock with equal players on each side.

The benefits of the current plan are:

1) it stops us from being in complete anarchy
2) it is easily enforceable (no need to wait for vote counts, no need to wait for every player to weigh in)
3) any abuse in the system can be spotted and dealt with
4) it keeps the game moving without the fallen accumulating too much rage

Given the lurkers / people without strong opinions, it would be too hard to establish a majority of players agreeing, and it would take too long.

Also, discussing a change of plan at this point sidetracks us from catching scum and stalls the game, which is what we want to avoid at all cost as I just mentioned.

True. The problem is that people are unwilling to enforce. Killing Kinetic, who defected and started random damaging, is a good start. Zwet is the next worst offender.

I propose that 3 players need to be on any mini wagon for Hurt to happen.
The active players in this game, are likely not all town, and if scum has a strong opinion, they can jump onto whatever mini wagon suits them.

I have no problem with this.

I'm just shocked with the pace of the kills. I'm thinking that we lost are lead after we got our first scum.

I am not sure of what context "the plan" you have is in, but I feel that a small group (small scum infested/infiltrated group?) dominating the hurts is just bad.

Let's have more discussion. When we added a bit of more thinking, I think we do well together. I think we should try to do what we (or you guys) did the first few days in this game.

This post includes nothing about who is scum, just an expression of bewilderment and a call for more discussion... ie more rage build-up.

I don't approve of the WLC hurting... his plan isn't that bad, and the level of paranoia he's exhibiting is consistent with WLC-town.

Also I'm going to be kind of pissed if you guys let roflcopter bring me down to rage range singlehandedly. He claimed support from ABR and Juls, but Juls is dead and ABR appears to have switched to WLC.

ABR needs to stop switching and settle on a single wagon. The idea of the buddy system was that someone pick someone to die, then go through with it. If multiple people are claiming ABR as their supporter, something's very wrong. Likewise DGB's shifting.

I do agree that Firestarter's backing down is somewhat town.

I just have a real problem with the WLC wagon, because i suffer from horrific confirmation bias with regard to him. I've never not thought he was scum. He lurks, and he gets paranoid, and he often refuses to give opinions because he thinks he's being manipulated. My gut says town here.

My PM to watch was about 8 hours too early, so I have to try again. It's interesting to note that scum realized this in order to quickly dump their rage points before my watch cycle started.

Wait... aren't watch PMs secret between you and the mod? How could scum have realised this if you aren't one?

so, roflcopter... as the guy who did most of the damage to Kinetic, how do you feel about him turning up town?

as the guy who led a fifty page long crap attack on walt, how would you like to get bent?

hurt; xylthixlm

my decision is made with a mighty blade

Rofl, stop.