War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Julz's flip helped your case. That being said I still feel DGB is more than likely town.

Maybe she is. Shame on her if she's town.

[Xylthixlm]

You know, just a couple pages ago ABR was accusing me of being definite scum. Now I'm an "intelligent player", no mention of why scum would back off on him.

[DrippingGoofball]

Julz's flip helped your case. That being said I still feel DGB is more than likely town.

Flipping town helped Juls' case, but she's dead.

It doesn't help ABR's case, because, as Xyl says, his skin and personal prestige is more important than his team, and the game as a whole. ABR's

modus operandi

is very simple. Players that obey him are left alone. Players that don't, are hounded. There's zero scum hunting in that. Just scum getting their way.

[Kinetic]

Julz's flip helped your case. That being said I still feel DGB is more than likely town.

Maybe she is. Shame on her if she's town.

I wouldn't have killed Julz if I didn't feel DGB had a solid case. Her lurking and following of you had many more scum implications, some of them didn't even matter if you were town or not.

However, I do have to ask you this: Why didn't you have more of an issue with it.

The way I see it, a townie would have a lot more issue with Julz behaivior than a scum would. But you really had no issue with it at all...

That seems a bit odd honestly ABR.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It doesn't help ABR's case, because, as Xyl says, his skin and personal prestige is more important than his team, and the game as a whole. ABR's

modus operandi

is very simple. Players that obey him are left alone. Players that don't, are hounded. There's zero scum hunting in that. Just scum getting their way.

That's bullshit. Shinnen was agreeing with me all the way until I hurt her.

The ONLY thing that adds to my prestige is killing me some scum. Seeing how dumb you look does procure me a lot of enjoyment though

[Albert B. Rampage]

However, I do have to ask you this: Why didn't you have more of an issue with it.

The way I see it, a townie would have a lot more issue with Julz behaivior than a scum would. But you really had no issue with it at all...

That seems a bit odd honestly ABR.

I don't have an issue with it because I understand how an articulate, mature player with a real life can see me as town. I understand it perfectly.

She could have been scum faking it, but if she's going to get killed anyway, what's the point for me to get on her case. I asked her to add to discussion and she didn't. What can I do?

[Giuseppe]

Could ABR please list the pro-town players in this game without contradicting his prior statements from the past 80 pages of discussion?

[DrippingGoofball]

The way I see it, a townie would have a lot more issue with Julz behavior than a scum would. But you really had no issue with it at all...

Well said. But as I said above, "players that obey him are left alone. Players that don't, are hounded."

He's not scumhunting at all. It's just a game of getting support in order to manipulate people into bulldozing his agenda through. You don't need to do that if you agenda is a town agenda, because we all put our heads together, we discuss, we draw ideas from others, and we hope, collectively, to make the right choice.

No discussion is needed to pursue a scum agenda. You and your scumpals already know who is town. You don't need to seek other players' insights. All you need is their consent and cooperation in killing townies.

And what better way to get people on board than to massively bus your buddy on Day 1?

[DrippingGoofball]

...without contradicting his prior statements

HAHAHA the answer is 'no,' he can't do it without contradicting himself, and he's not going to do it! He's been contradicting himself on every page.

[Tenchi]

Some quick questions (try to compress answers in one post so that the others can do their discussion; i will still read by the way after this):

1. Can anyone post a new count on who healed who and hurt who?
2. Why are we not doing the voting thing anymore? Or are we still doing it kinda but without the tallying?
3. Has anyone claimed anything that potentially clears them?
4. Seraph == Seraphim?

[Albert B. Rampage]

dgb you don't have any insights. You're just trying to justify hating on me haha

HATER

Why would I buss Shinnen when I put the first hurt on her and no one followed me? Especially if Shinnen was agreeing with me from the beginning. She never contradicted me, not once.

[DrippingGoofball]

The ONLY thing that adds to my prestige is killing me some scum. Seeing how dumb you look does procure me a lot of enjoyment though

Sounds like you know I'm town, scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Why would I buss Shinnen when I put the first hurt on her and no one followed me? Especially if Shinnen was agreeing with me from the beginning. She never contradicted me, not once.

Hey, I dunno, did you terrorize her in the QT?

You get no points for this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

...without contradicting his prior statements

HAHAHA the answer is 'no,' he can't do it without contradicting himself, and he's not going to do it! He's been contradicting himself on every page.

So have you, or did you forget when you proclaimed that I was town.

You're such a failure.

[Kinetic]

I don't have an issue with it because I understand how an articulate, mature player with a real life can see me as town. I understand it perfectly.

So you're telling me if I was scum and just endlessly supported you, I'd win the game and you'd lose?

[DrippingGoofball]

So have you, or did you forget when you proclaimed that I was town.

Hey, new information, new mind.

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)

# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

, Juls, roflcopter

x2

, Albert B. Rampage (7) Healed by: Hoopla,

DrippingGoofball

, DrippingGoofball (2)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,

WaltWishbone

(3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls (2) Healed by: (0)

# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)

# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

(4) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

, WeyounsLastClone (2)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21,

Juls

, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim,

Juls

,

WaltWishbone

(9) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone

- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,

zwetschenwasser

, Nuwen

x2

(14) Healed by: vIQleS, Kinetic (2)

# Juls

- Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,

Seraphim

, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, Giuseppe, Kinetic (10) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

There is no secret damage as of post 1887.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Tenchi]

Why would I buss Shinnen when I put the first hurt on her and no one followed me? Especially if Shinnen was agreeing with me from the beginning. She never contradicted me, not once.

I'm going to rephrase this....

"....especially if Shinnen was agreeing with me from the beginning..."

Perhaps you were scum with him and Shinnen was a noob (meaning he just agrees with anything his allies say).

"Why would I buss Shinnen..."

If my statement above is true, then it is a perfect reason to bus her.

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I present this because I found your statement very circumstancial and is not a truly valid defense.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I present this because I found your statement very circumstancial and is not a truly valid defense.

I responded to an invalid attack.

[Tenchi]

I mangled my pronouns. :\

[Tenchi]

I present this because I found your statement very circumstancial and is not a truly valid defense.

I responded to an invalid attack.

ERGH... I you're experienced in this game you should know better.

If you see bad logic, you don't fight it with bad/worse logic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I present this because I found your statement very circumstancial and is not a truly valid defense.

I responded to an invalid attack.

ERGH... I you're experienced in this game you should know better.

If you see bad logic, you don't fight it with bad/worse logic.

This is wrong. I put myself in their shoes and try to see from their way of thinking. You just looked at what I said instead of the context.

dgb claims:

I only attack the people who attack me first.

I prove:

I attacked someone who didn't attack me first.

[Kinetic]

Where the hell did Viq go?

[Tenchi]

Thank you ABR.

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb claims:

I only attack the people who attack me first.

I prove:

I attacked someone who didn't attack me first.

An exception does not invalidate a rule.