War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[DrippingGoofball]

I fully support mega-hurts on Juls and ABR.

Kinetic is town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't try to lead the town, scumbag.

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: Juls

HAMMER. SQUEAK!

[populartajo]

Hurt: Juls

HAMMER. SQUEAK!

You havent read what I think of her, have you?

[roflcopter]

pro-tip: "if x is scum, i'm gonna kill y" is good town play
"if x is

town

, i'm gonna kill y AND z" is good mafia play

[roflcopter]

for posterity, lets list some appeals that kinetic has been making recently

appeal to emotion
appeal to fear
appeal to authority

there's probably more fallacies going on, but those are the ones that really pop out

Wikitells.

which invalidates them how?

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: Juls

HAMMER. SQUEAK!

You havent read what I think of her, have you?

I did. But I think the theory about ABR bullying her in scum talk is spot on.

[roflcopter]

Hurt: Juls

HAMMER. SQUEAK!

You havent read what I think of her, have you?

I did. But I think the theory about ABR bullying her in scum talk is spot on.

i buy dgb believing that. i don't buy you believing that.

[Nuwen]

pro-tip: "if x is scum, i'm gonna kill y" is good town play
"if x is

town

, i'm gonna kill y AND z" is good mafia play

Not if x being town makes either y or z scum from my vantage because I can self-confirm that z is town. That's good a'huntin'.

[roflcopter]

its lining up mislynches

[Giuseppe]

Hm... So, what is the Town's course of action right now? Do we have a really, truly, unified goal? The Fons is right. I see lots of itty-bitty factions.

If Walt is dead, I would propose backing up behind Juls.

Intent to Hurt Juls

And early, DGB had a point about ABR being just as guilty of

appeal to emotion
appeal to fear
appeal to authority

as Kinetic is. Let's hold off on either, and try and get the town in some sense of unity. Heaven shouldn't be like politics, with factions vying to cast each other out. The political vying going on between the factions here is going to get the town eaten alive, and people have totally abandoned the Intent to Hurt system, at least in my view of the game.

Let's start trying to line up a majority of the players behind a decision, instead of just a dedicated minority.

Would anyone object if I began to heal players who were hurt without at least 5 supporters on the hurting of that player? I'd like to avoid mislynches, as Walt's may very well be, although I can't be sure until he flips, if he flips.

[DrippingGoofball]

for posterity, lets list some appeals that kinetic has been making recently

appeal to emotion
appeal to fear
appeal to authority

there's probably more fallacies going on, but those are the ones that really pop out

Wikitells.

which invalidates them how?

It's just a list. A list is not a case.

[DrippingGoofball]

its lining up mislynches

Unless it's lining up scumlynches.

[DrippingGoofball]

Note that ABR spent all day 1 bus'ing Shinnen heavily and bossing everyone around, and now he's just coasting, feet up on the dinner table, Juls-slave in tow.

That's so NOT a townie portrait.

[Xylthixlm]

Note that ABR spent all day 1 bus'ing Shinnen heavily and bossing everyone around, and now he's just coasting, feet up on the dinner table, Juls-slave in tow.

That's so NOT a townie portrait.

I've noticed.

[vIQleS]

You really dont know Walt's flip?
Really?

Dont you know to analyse people's reactions when they think they are dead?

I've played plenty of times as scum where even though I knew 100% that I was dead, I've still deathposted as though I was town, just to mess with people. I can't be sure, but I think it may have even paid off on at least one occasion where we'd miscounted...

If Walt is dead, I would propose backing up behind Juls.

WaltWishbone has 10 damage.

Can I suggest that we don't heal people that we've just spent days hurting... This is a SERIOUS waste of resources. We either need to leave him where he is, or kill him off.

Unless something's happened that has confirmed someone as town, which I honestly don't see happening in this game.
(Huge FOS to everyone who is refering to anyone as 'confirmed town')

Anyways, this is why Walt's apparent trust of Nuwen/roflcopter didn't fit with his Seraph claim. Having four claimed Seraphs makes it much more likely that two of them are scum.

Speaking of which - have we confirmed that all of these are in fact seriphim?

[DrippingGoofball]

NEWS BRIEF

Poptartajo's scumdar is broken. The parts are back order until October 2014.

[Giuseppe]

I don't recommend healing Walt. We need to see his flip, and I'm proposing this as a new policy. Everything up to now would be exempt.

That said, when hurting, a person would have to provide a list of at least 5 players who would support the action beside the name, and if one objects, they'd heal the hurt done.

This way, we can have a stronger majority within the town, and regulate the loose cannons.

For example: *Using Vote is intentional. I can't hurt Juls yet*

Vote: Juls (Supported by A, B, C, D, and E)

If any objects, they'd heal, and the point would be moot. I find this a nice system to reinstate some order in this game, and to defactionalize the town.

[Xylthixlm]

... any system based on hurting people and then healing them back is stupid.

[populartajo]

NEWS BRIEF

Poptartajo's scumdar is broken. The parts are back order until October 2014.

Actually so far in this game I have been right with Shinnen and Hoopla. I think Im right even before Walt's flip.

[populartajo]

I don't recommend healing Walt. We need to see his flip, and I'm proposing this as a new policy. Everything up to now would be exempt.

That said, when hurting, a person would have to provide a list of at least 5 players who would support the action beside the name, and if one objects, they'd heal the hurt done.

This way, we can have a stronger majority within the town, and regulate the loose cannons.

For example: *Using Vote is intentional. I can't hurt Juls yet*

Vote: Juls (Supported by A, B, C, D, and E)

If any objects, they'd heal, and the point would be moot. I find this a nice system to reinstate some order in this game, and to defactionalize the town.

DONT COPY MY IDEAS, YOU LURKER.
/Just kidding.

[Nuwen]

If the town is spliced (as it is now between Kinetic and Juls), that system wastes everyone's cooldowns and slows down overall wagon progression. That system also disallows for wagons to run in parallel. The buddy system we've been using is functional enough, provided every actually uses it.

[Giuseppe]

My system would prevent people from going off on Hurting rampages without a consensus. Keeps the town more in line with a majority. The rogue would hurt, and the majority would heal if they found it necessary. We have more than enough players to be able to push an agenda and stop rogue agendas.

[populartajo]

THE VOTING SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE REVIVED TO BRING ORDER TO THIS CHAOS.
THE VOTING SYSTEM THINKS IN YOUR RIGHT TO LIVE IF YOU ARE NOT A FALLEN ANGLE.
THE VOTING SYSTEM CAN TAKE CARE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS. IT WOULD BE NOT AS FAST AS HURTING ANARCHY BUT IT WOULD BE ORDERED.
VOTE VOTING SYSTEM NAO.
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO.
YES WE CAN.

[Giuseppe]

The Buddy System isn't being used. How can we enforce it?