War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[Kinetic]

The reason I'm suggesting it is because some players (ABR, Julz, Rofl) have skipped the "finish off phase" and have gone directly to begin killing me.

I'm sorry I let you down with that heal, but the urge to

hurl vomit with lots of corn kernels: Juls

overwhelmed me completely.

I'll reconsider in 24 hours...

Its understandable. I'm more afraid of rofl realizing he could have outed himself by pushing wishbone (if wishbone does flip town) and him going for broke trying to kill me before we learn about it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Its understandable. I'm more afraid of rofl realizing he could have outed himself by pushing wishbone (if wishbone does flip town) and him going for broke trying to kill me before we learn about it.

Can you explain that again, this time, with the assumption that I have a IQ of 12?

[Kinetic]

Its understandable. I'm more afraid of rofl realizing he could have outed himself by pushing wishbone (if wishbone does flip town) and him going for broke trying to kill me before we learn about it.

Can you explain that again, this time, with the assumption that I have a IQ of 12?

Based on Nuwen's assumption that Seraphim can be equally distributed, and rofl being one of the scum, Rofl, knowing Wishbone will flip town wasn't a big deal. However, him flipping town and SERAPHIM means that there are atleast 4 in the game.

This means there will be doubt on rofl's claim of seraphim, which has given him the "confirmed town" protection since the Shinnen lynch.

Knowing that his game may be ending soon, he's switched targets in an attempt to burn a townie before Walt is flipped and his alignment is revealed so that Rofl can at least kill two townies before he is then turned on by the town.

Does that make better sense? Its all based on assumptions of assumptions, but it fits logically if those are the flips. It means nothing if Walt is indeed scum.

Here is something I just thought of though... what if the mafia are trying to trick the town that there is another Seraphim and using secret damage to do so.

The only player that this couldn't stick to is rofl, based on how many times he's used his double damage so far, but this could keep distribution relatively even while making Nuwen's and Walts claims a little more suspicious...

[DrippingGoofball]

OK, I follow what you're saying. It's largely conjecture, but something to *cough*

cover with mayonnaise: Juls

*cough cough* look back upon once we have more data.

[Kinetic]

OK, I follow what you're saying. It's largely conjecture, but something to *cough*

cover with mayonnaise: Juls

*cough cough* look back upon once we have more data.

exactly

[Xylthixlm]

There's a pattern going on here somewhere, I can feel it. The scum are trying something. I'm just not sure what yet.

[Seraphim]

There's a pattern going on here somewhere, I can feel it. The scum are trying something. I'm just not sure what yet.

What sort of pattern?

[populartajo]

3 town seraphims against 1 seraphim makes sense to me. 2-2 Seraphims is probable but could be imbalanced, IMO. I dont know where I read it (maybe from the other game, will need to hunt for that quote) but IIRC scum accrue rage points accordingly to their range. That means, Seraphims accrue them more quickly.

Here is a fact: Town lost the other 2 games. Flay thought the game was swingy and needed a little bit of balance. Could be that, without knowing it, Flay balanced the game towards town's faction. 2-2 Seraphims goes against this theory.

Having said that. I dont support more hurting against Walt. His bye post feels town and the case on him was weak since the beginning. This doesnt mean he cant be scum but we have to use this advantage (1 scum less) we have wisely and not going crazy hurting like the end of the world. Call it stalling or whatever the hell you want. We need some order here, specially when rolf is going again with the "Im drunk" excuse and everybody is hurting the FUCK they want..

You already know why town lost the other game, right? Maybe, its time you listen.

[populartajo]

Everybody hurting Walt, do you still think he is scum?

[Seraphim]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

[Xylthixlm]

There's a pattern going on here somewhere, I can feel it. The scum are trying something. I'm just not sure what yet.

What sort of pattern?

I'm not sure! roflcopter and ABR going after Kinetic instead of Walt feels weird to me for some reason. Walt is completely blinded by OMGUS and tunnelvision, and chose a weird time to come out as a Seraph... particularly since, if he's a Seraph as he claims, it will take a little while longer to kill him. And now there's the threat of a heal/hurt war...

The scum can daytalk. That's important to keep in mind. This sort of pattern happens when the scum can daytalk.

Walt has been pushing the idea that roflcopter and Nuwen are confirmed for a while now, which doesn't fit with his Seraph claim - unless he was trying to set it up so that he would be "confirmed" when he claimed Seraph. His early concern with power roles does suggest he has one. (Although I don't think Seraphim should actually count as a power role, I guess he does.)

There's some weird stuff going on with roflcopter. It's nagging at me.

I need to think some more, try to pull out some connections here.

[populartajo]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

[Xylthixlm]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

We can prove that either he is a Seraphim OR one of the scum spent a rage point on me.

[Nuwen]

Everybody hurting Walt, do you still think he is scum?

I'm waiting for a damage count to confirm or disprove his claim before I finalize my judgement. I kinda think keeping him alive and using his double damage ability as a town tool would be the best play. If he really is a Seraph, we can use his damage to burn through a few other suspected scum and then use their flips for more confirms. If he doesn't damage as ordered, we kill him. The same type of theory is used when a vig/SK is discovered and the town can't confirm that player's alignment.

[populartajo]

Everybody hurting Walt, do you still think he is scum?

I'm waiting for a damage count to confirm or disprove his claim before I finalize my judgement. I kinda think keeping him alive and using his double damage ability as a town tool would be the best play. If he really is a Seraph, we can use his damage to burn through a few other suspected scum and then use their flips for more confirms. If he doesn't damage as ordered, we kill him. The same type of theory is used when a vig/SK is discovered and the town can't confirm that player's alignment.

Where have I seen this before?

[populartajo]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

We can prove that either he is a Seraphim OR one of the scum spent a rage point on me.

Actually, if scum spent a rage point of you, we would know since Wishbone's cool down wouldnt be the one from a Seraphim using his blade. We can test him.

[Seraphim]

24 hours from his post...be watching him.

[Xylthixlm]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

We can prove that either he is a Seraphim OR one of the scum spent a rage point on me.

Actually, if scum spent a rage point of you, we would know since Wishbone's cool down wouldnt be the one from a Seraphim using his blade. We can test him.

That requires leaving him alive another day.

[Kinetic]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

We can prove that either he is a Seraphim OR one of the scum spent a rage point on me.

Actually, if scum spent a rage point of you, we would know since Wishbone's cool down wouldnt be the one from a Seraphim using his blade. We can test him.

Good call. Force Walt to damage someone, anyone, when the 24 hour cooldown would happen. Flay would confirm his claim based on what we've seen so far.

[Kinetic]

Just checked, 2:35 AM this morning... bleh, that is a long time...

[Nuwen]

Everybody hurting Walt, do you still think he is scum?

I'm waiting for a damage count to confirm or disprove his claim before I finalize my judgement. I kinda think keeping him alive and using his double damage ability as a town tool would be the best play. If he really is a Seraph, we can use his damage to burn through a few other suspected scum and then use their flips for more confirms. If he doesn't damage as ordered, we kill him. The same type of theory is used when a vig/SK is discovered and the town can't confirm that player's alignment.

Where have I seen this before?

I said something similar in one of my other ongoing games?

[Xylthixlm]

I have to work all day tomorrow and the next day so I dont think I will have time to get back on the computer before I get eliminated.

Why do I bet he won't be online between 24h and 36h from his post...

[populartajo]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

We can prove that either he is a Seraphim OR one of the scum spent a rage point on me.

Actually, if scum spent a rage point of you, we would know since Wishbone's cool down wouldnt be the one from a Seraphim using his blade. We can test him.

That requires leaving him alive another day.

Why do you want to kill him when we can control him and use his powers (he prob is a Seraphim) to kill scummy people. Yeah, yeah. rage points. You know something?, actually, at this point, and thinking it coldly, scum can help us to reduce the pool since no one is screaming confirmed town right now.

[Xylthixlm]

The biggest problem with leaving him alive is

we don't learn his alignment

.

That information is much more valuable than an extra one-third damage.

[populartajo]

The biggest problem with leaving him alive is

we don't learn his alignment

.

That information is much more valuable than an extra one-third damage.

What would we learn from his alignment?
Do you think its more probable 3-1 Seraphim or 2-2 Seraphim ratio distribution?