Open Setup Certification Group

[shaft.ed]

Also I think the discussion clearly indicates Polygamist is a different beast than Lovers,

so I move for it to be certified

.

Back to Strawberry. This seems at a bit of an impass. I think it'd be best to vote on it:

Please either
vote: Kill Strawberry
or
vote: Keep Strawberry with fix (either 3 v 9+1 or 3 v 9+1+cop headstart)

I vote: Keep Strawberry with fix

[Xylthixlm]

vote: Kill Strawberry

[farside22]

I personal enjoyed Polygamist as is. I was scum and town. Hydra's are okay but I don't think should be manditory.

[Adel]

I vote: Kill Strawberry

[Lord Gurgi]

I agree with Adel.

Vote to death

[shaft.ed]

OK Strawberrie's Dead.

Next up either:

The New C9

or

2 v 2 v 8's

[Xylthixlm]

What was The New C9 again?

[shaft.ed]

You can find it in New York

I think it's

1 Godfather
3 Goons
1 SK
0-2 Cops
0-2 Docs
0 or 2 Town Masons
0-1 Vig
8-15 Townies

[Xylthixlm]

*twitch*

[Adel]

*twitch*

qft

[Xylthixlm]

Vote: The New C9 sleeps with the fishes

If anyone wants to run it again, they can always do it in New York. It's too large and too complicated for the open setup list.

[Korts]

I agree.

vote: kill

[Lord Gurgi]

Vote: Die suck die.

2v2v8 or 2v2v9?

[shaft.ed]

Just wanted to point out there have been a few requests for large games in the Open Queue.

But yes that is...messy

[Lord Gurgi]

Explain why it is balanced in less than 500 characters.

[Xylthixlm]

New mods can run setups from the Open Games list.
20-player games are not good games for new mods to run.
Therefore, 20-player games should not be on the Open Games list.

That doesn't mean 20-player open games are bad, just that they should go through one of the other lists.

[Adel]

I don't thing there is anything wrong with a large game, and I don't think there is anything wrong with random roles. Mix them together and it is a toxic combination.

kill it

[shaft.ed]

Explain why it is balanced in less than 500 characters.

it's not, it needs to die.

[Lord Gurgi]

Die suck die

[Adel]

2 v 2 v 8's

First step:
What is the balanced win % for each faction?


30% v 30% v 40% ?

25% v 25% v 50% ?

[Xylthixlm]

2 v 2 v N, with random lynches, 10000 trials, day start:

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--- 3 townies ---
Town 1081, Mafia1 4253, Mafia2 4446, Draw 220
Average length 2.11, std dev 0.49
--- 4 townies ---
Town 1050, Mafia1 3981, Mafia2 4002, Draw 967
Average length 2.59, std dev 0.50
--- 5 townies ---
Town 1313, Mafia1 3811, Mafia2 3758, Draw 1118
Average length 2.86, std dev 0.48
--- 6 townies ---
Town 1694, Mafia1 3995, Mafia2 4106, Draw 205
Average length 3.24, std dev 0.56
--- 7 townies ---
Town 1708, Mafia1 3773, Mafia2 3859, Draw 660
Average length 3.65, std dev 0.51
--- 8 townies ---
Town 2023, Mafia1 3614, Mafia2 3611, Draw 752
Average length 3.98, std dev 0.56
--- 9 townies ---
Town 2159, Mafia1 3817, Mafia2 3865, Draw 159
Average length 4.34, std dev 0.59
--- 10 townies ---
Town 2230, Mafia1 3612, Mafia2 3701, Draw 457
Average length 4.76, std dev 0.62
--- 11 townies ---
Town 2391, Mafia1 3448, Mafia2 3635, Draw 526
Average length 5.08, std dev 0.65
--- 12 townies ---
Town 2663, Mafia1 3660, Mafia2 3535, Draw 142
Average length 5.45, std dev 0.71
--- 13 townies ---
Town 2756, Mafia1 3397, Mafia2 3451, Draw 396
Average length 5.83, std dev 0.72
--- 14 townies ---
Town 2835, Mafia1 3356, Mafia2 3435, Draw 374
Average length 6.18, std dev 0.76
--- 15 townies ---
Town 2943, Mafia1 3395, Mafia2 3527, Draw 135
Average length 6.56, std dev 0.81

Edit: Redone to correctly account for draws.
Edit2: Script was bugged, see next page.

[Xylthixlm]

It looks like the basic question in 2 v 2 v N setups is "How long do you want the game to last before the town loses?"

[Adel]

was that with each scum group using a random NK?

[Xylthixlm]

was that with each scum group using a random NK?

Yes.

[Adel]

are you sure that members of the other mafia were valid targets for the nks?