War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[vIQleS]

Answer my big post of accusations, plz. We might as well test if you are an Ophan, just in case. Just because you claimed Ophan, that doesn mean you are town.

Didn't say it did. Although it's more likely than if I was a Seriphim...

I watched ViQlEs. He's an Ophan.

I figured that was what you meant.

We might as well test if you are an Ophan, just in case.

Hang on - you're criticizing me for using my powers when it was unlikely that scum would be doing anything, and now you want me to do the exact same thing again, only this time telling the scum first so they know exactly when it's not safe to do stuff?

Seems a waste to me...

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm paraphrasing, but yes, it was a gaze. What's the significance?

[populartajo]

Answer my big post of accusations, plz. We might as well test if you are an Ophan, just in case. Just because you claimed Ophan, that doesn mean you are town.

Didn't say it did. Although it's more likely than if I was a Seriphim...

I watched ViQlEs. He's an Ophan.

I figured that was what you meant.

We might as well test if you are an Ophan, just in case.

Hang on - you're criticizing me for using my powers when it was unlikely that scum would be doing anything, and now you want me to do the exact same thing again, only this time telling the scum first so they know exactly when it's not safe to do stuff?

Seems a waste to me...

You realize it was unlikely that scum would be doing anything early. Why would you do it?
And right now its different. Actually, all Ophanims should be working now in watching the heavens to tell the scum that using rage points now is a terrible idea.

[populartajo]

I'm paraphrasing, but yes, it was a gaze. What's the significance?

Can you tell me the exact word?

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm paraphrasing, but yes, it was a gaze. What's the significance?

Can you tell me the exact word?

GAZE

[Nuwen]

Answer my big post of accusations, plz. We might as well test if you are an Ophan, just in case. Just because you claimed Ophan, that doesn mean you are town.

Didn't say it did. Although it's more likely than if I was a Seriphim...

Explain this, please. The mini's setup used an equal number of Seraphim and Ophanim. If that balance is being preserved in this game, a Seraph and an Ophan are equally likely to be scum or equally likely to be town.

[Seraphim]

WTF?

ROFL: AT THE MOMENT, NO ONE BUT YOU THINKS I AM SCUM. YOU HAVE NO BACKING. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE PRACTICALLY CONFIRMED TOWN GIVES YOU NO RIGHT TO HURT WHOEVER THE HELL YOU WANT. THIS IS ANTI-TOWN BEHAVIOR NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU SLICE IT.

When I flip town, I can't wait to watch you eat your words.

[Giuseppe]

^Major overreaction^

What's up with the caps lock, Seraphim? You're at full health, I believe, and Rofl couldn't really kill you on his own if the Town decided to keep you alive...

The fact that Rofl has 'no backing' makes the above post even more out of place.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Me and Fonz both backed Copter.

[Kinetic]

Hell, quoted in your OWN POST TO NAIL ME TO THIS is the opposite of this....

Yes, I left it in because you contradicted yourself. You said we should concentrate damage, then called my post scummy for saying so.

Umm, no I didn't... I never posted why I said your post was scummy. The reason I had issue with it was not because you advocated for few players to be targeted, but because you were also against the voting mechanism to choose those players as well.

Basically you were for the first players who harmed anyone to lead the lynches, because once X number of players were harmed you were for making sure they would die before anyone else was harmed.

I had issue with your post because it gave no alternatives.

Assume the situation: Player A, Player B, and You have 5 damage, no one else have any damage on them. You feel that player A and player B are town, and you know yourself is town (in this hypothetical situation, I don't exactly feel you are town right now). By YOUR logic in that post you felt that yourself, player A, and Player B must be killed before any scummy player is harmed.

That's why I had issue, and its a HUGE strawman to say I had issue with your post only because you advocated concentrated fire when I have PUSHED for consensus lynches the WHOLE GAME. My issue was not WHAT you advocated, but HOW you advocated and what your plan entailed.

[Xylthixlm]

Except that what I was advocating is

exactly what we're doing now

. It doesn't seem to be working so badly.

[Juls]

Have a hurt coming up in about 40 minutes...what can I do to assist you ABR?

[DrippingGoofball]

Have a hurt coming up in about 40 minutes...what can I do to assist you ABR?

I thought the theme was angels, not zombies.

[Juls]

Let me get past my test tomorrow and I will be more helpful.

[vIQleS]

Answer my big post of accusations, plz.

hoopla is also scum...

I really don't like people who make definitive statements like these - especially if there's no way that they could have any info.

We know, specially rolf, how much scum hate this type of statements.

If you have suspicions, then present your argument. If you don't think people are convinced, then present it again - expand and clarify. Just repeating declaritive statements does not further the game...
FOS:copter

Nice FOS there.

Umm, thank you?

Random anything at this point has a 75% chance of hitting town.

How can you be so sure? That's a pretty solid number, you know. The only way you would know that is that you know how much scum there are, hence, you must be a scum as well.

Based on a standard mafia setup - 1 scum to 3 town. i.e. (as has already been mentioned) in a 12 player game you get 3 scum.
But that's ok - I forgive you...

Please, tell me Im not the only one seeing there is something stinky in this conversation. Considering that was the only comment Shinnen made about viq and how he suspected Kinetic, xyl and rolf/ARB later.

Not sure what your question to me is here....

I really don't like people who make definitive statements like these - especially if there's no way that they could have any info.
If you have suspicions, then present your argument. If you don't think people are convinced, then present it again - expand and clarify. Just repeating declaritive statements does not further the game...
FOS:copter

How hypocritical. Why are you taking it out on copter, but not DGB?

OMG!

Is that addressed to me? Am I your God? You'd think you'd be a little bit nicer if I am...

I did notice DBG, but I didn't see it as quite so pernicious. If it makes you feel better - FOS:DBG. I'm still not attacking either of them

Actually, I think that scum tried to concentrate efforts on rolf. DGB's bussing is possible, though.

Why are you defending roflcopter?

Lies.

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Assuming everything that is said about rage mechanics is true in this game, that means at most scum can only hold up to 3 rage points.

Did someone say that?Because I don't remember anyone else saying that... I'm going to bed - can someone check this please.

Weren't you scum in the last game?

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I'm not going to argue the 75% crap anymore. I've answered the question and if you really need to grasp at straws at this point then you're out of your tiny little minds.

SO, ITS CRAP NOW? WHY WASNT IT WHEN SHINNEN BROUGHT IT?

It was crap when the first person mentioned it. I was being nice the first time. Now I'm sick of it.

I'm not even going to bother to link this...

Neither shine nor hoop are on my radar scum-wise.
At this point it seems the best option is to hurt one of them, and I expect I shall do so when I have ability back.
I will have to read carefully to see which of them I can build a case for. (If I can at all. If not I'll probably have to hurt Xyl)

Oh, yes, would it be too obvious if I hurt Shinnen?

There seems to be a ridiculous lack of questions in this tirade you're expecting me to 'answer'...

I read something that made me think that Shinnen was more likely town then hoopla (who seems fairly neutral at the mo.) but I can't remember what it was. I need to do some more reading.

I AM STILL WAITING.

Yes, yes you are. Although I expect you're the only one at this point.

I really don't see why this is still relevant. And, if you'd let me get on with reading instead of making me answer your retarded non-questions and address points that have been decisively and conclusively answered and dealt with, I might have been able to find it and get back to you by now.

I expect it had something to do with shinnen attacking someone that wasn't already under attack, and that a scum wouldn't be so obvious. I can't remember and I can't be bothered anymore.

Scummy to me at the moment:
Xyl
Kenetic
Rofl
ABR
I'm thinking DGB is less scummy then my last post - although my reasoning here could be flawed...
Reading to be done, then post more. Then hurting. Possibly Shinnen, just to see the kill and hence results. Then examine the bandwagon...

The fact that 4 of the players he thinks are scummier are players I think are town is strange.

purple monkey dishwasher

Fair call - if anyone thinks it still relevant, I'll try and have a look. Unfortunately I also have to work, as I've spent a considerable amount of time over the last few (work) days doing this instead of working and I don't want to get in trouble.
I'll try and do a read tonight. (I have a feeling that there was something that seemed like such a scummy thing to say that no one who was scum would say something like that. So it may turn out to be a bit WIFOM...)

LESS EXCUSES, PLUZ.

Bite me. I get hassled for 'lurking' and I get hassled for explaining why I'm not posting as much as I'd like... GFY.

Just checking in (skim read to catch up) to say that i'd really like to see a Juls lynch next.
That whole "when you kill me you'll see ABR...", and "don't kill ABR..." really bothers me.

It shouldnt. Explain why.

Explain why not...

What happened to your other suspects, huh? Why didnt you hurt Hoopla?

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Well I don't. But then I didn't think Shinnen was scum either - and apparently there was some really huge scumtells that everyone else picked up on...
You raise a vaild point tho, so I'm going to be decisive and:
Hurt:Juls
Just because of the ABR following / defending. Just doesn't seem right to me.

Such a weak reason.

Happy?

[Kinetic]

Except that what I was advocating is

exactly what we're doing now

. It doesn't seem to be working so badly.

No you weren't. And no it isn't. And even if it was, I don't agree with your assessment of the current situation.

The town is being bullrushed by four players (you, ABR, Fonz, and Rofl), and honestly you guys have had limited success, and what success your group has is questionable. You're going around acting confirmed, when none of you are, and quashing anyone who stands up against you as scummy and the next person on your list to kill.

As it stands, two of the four players with damage (Julz, Drench) were personally attacked by you first, and the third (Walt) has your pushing for more damage. The only person with no damage by you, and with little help from your group is Zwet.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't fly with me. Too much power in the hands a of SMALL group of players is not how I play. I do want more consensus, ESPECIALLY on mislynches.

[Xylthixlm]

I do want more mislynches, ESPECIALLY ones with consensus.

Fixed.

[DrippingGoofball]

...and quashing anyone who stands up against you as scummy and the next person on your list to kill.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't fly with me. Too much power in the hands a of SMALL group of players is not how I play. I do want more consensus, ESPECIALLY on mislynches.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

We're never going to find scum if the dynamics make it easy for scum to hide under the skirts of a few players that make rash judgments with limited information. If those players contain scum, we're really fried.

[Seraphim]

^Major overreaction^

What's up with the caps lock, Seraphim? You're at full health, I believe, and Rofl couldn't really kill you on his own if the Town decided to keep you alive...

The fact that Rofl has 'no backing' makes the above post even more out of place.

You're not reading the game as Rofl has been after me the entire game. There's hardly been one post where he hasn't been attacking me.

[DrippingGoofball]

I do want more mislynches, ESPECIALLY ones with consensus.

Fixed.

They are more informative than mislynches full of Juls-like slaves.

[Xylthixlm]

...and quashing anyone who stands up against you as scummy and the next person on your list to kill.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't fly with me. Too much power in the hands a of SMALL group of players is not how I play. I do want more consensus, ESPECIALLY on mislynches.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

We're never going to find scum if the dynamics make it easy for scum to hide under the skirts of a few players that make rash judgments with limited information. If those players contain scum, we're really fried.

Just look at how lurkers like Drench and Juls are getting free passes! What a disaster!

Oh, wait. [/sarcasm]

[DrippingGoofball]

^Major overreaction^

What's up with the caps lock, Seraphim? You're at full health, I believe, and Rofl couldn't really kill you on his own if the Town decided to keep you alive...

The fact that Rofl has 'no backing' makes the above post even more out of place.

You're not reading the game as Rofl has been after me the entire game. There's hardly been one post where he hasn't been attacking me.

Your alias is Seraphim. Expect confusion.

[DrippingGoofball]

Just look at how lurkers like Drench and Juls are getting free passes! What a disaster!

Oh, wait. [/sarcasm]

They're still alive.

[Seraphim]

^Major overreaction^

What's up with the caps lock, Seraphim? You're at full health, I believe, and Rofl couldn't really kill you on his own if the Town decided to keep you alive...

The fact that Rofl has 'no backing' makes the above post even more out of place.

You're not reading the game as Rofl has been after me the entire game. There's hardly been one post where he hasn't been attacking me.

Your alias is Seraphim. Expect confusion.

It makes rereads especially nasty.

[Kinetic]

I do want more mislynches, ESPECIALLY ones with consensus.

Fixed.

-.- I'm really starting to question your alignment Xyl.